Codex: Inquisition

[Valerian]

My post got all screwed up so I'm just redoing it. 

 

Confirmed stuff:

 

1.  No new models.

2.  No Grey Knights units, at all.

3.  Will allow Inquisition units (not yet specified) to be used in any Imperial army.

4.  There will be options for "Radical" Inquisitors.

 

Not yet answered:

 

1.  Whether there are any Deathwatch in it (I'm thinking no, now).

2.  Whehter it is 'stand-alone' or will only be providing allies to other primary detachments (I'm thinking yes).

 

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[boreas]

Wow, that seems sad... So, basically, this is "Codex: Pawn our units to Everyone". I feel sullied.

[Gentlemanloser]

Exactly.

 

And I don't get it.  Every Imperial (and more!) army can already take an Inquisitor and Retinue.

 

By allying some GK.

 

This just seems either;

 

Unnecessary and a pure money grab

Way to power up Imperial armies by giving them Codex: GK allies, without having to use their Ally slot.

 

/sigh

 

Yo Dawg, I heard the Grey Knights liked the Inquisition...

[oreaper84]

Wow, that seems sad... So, basically, this is "Codex: Pawn our units to Everyone". I feel sullied.

could be looked as Codex: i finally can take my inquisitors again without take any grey knights or coteaz. You cant have all the toys....you have to share

[boreas]

Why would I have to share? SoB players have been whining for year how GW shoehorned the =I= in the Sisters codex. Do SM share? Do IG, tau, eldar? Is there a codex: Xenos that would allow everyone to have wave serpent? Like everyone, I already shared via allies. Except I wasn't battle brother with anyone, which I sucked up. Now, I still don't get BB, but the other Imperial factions get to use my toys?

 

For a long time, I've complained that GW didn't update what was then Daemonhunters. They've done so with codex:GK. But now they manage to give away units from my codex (and might just have managed to produce the first codex in GW's history that benefit everyone EXCEPT a specific army if radical inquisitors are allowed to ally with xenos codexes?)

[Valerian]

 

if radical inquisitors are allowed to ally with xenos codexes?

 

From the context of the answers that the Black Library guy has been providing, I don't think Radical Inquisitors will be able to ally with Xenos; he keeps saying the new digital codex is for allying Inquisitors and their retinues to Imperial forces.  My assumption is that it'll be their gear (e.g. Daemon Weapons)  and methodology that will make them Radical.

[Madmaardigan]

I dont know if they misquoted but somthing is making me think everyone wont get access to inquisitors in there main force, I think it just means that space wolves or blood angels etc... will be able to ally with them, I do think that grey knights sisters, and guard may use them for HQ's but somthing just seems wrong about EVERY army getting access to them it seems almost seems to go against the fluff to me

[tdemayo]

Perhaps they plan to strip the Inquisitorial stuff from the next GK codex? Then the GK dex would be pure Grey Knights and would get their Inquisitors through the allies matrix. Uncoupling the Inquisitorial retinues and storm troopers from the chambers militant completely makes a certain amount of logistical and design sense. Then, Sisters, GK, and Deathwatch (f they ever made a list) could each draw on the same core inquisition elements as allies, and there would be no need to include and update them in 2-3 codices.

[Valerian]

More confirmed stuff:

 

There will be three Warlord Tables, one for each Hereticus, Malleus, and Xenos.

[Valerian]

Another bit:

Eddie, two questions from the other thread that I don't think that you answered: will this allow you to field a primary detachment, or is it stuff for allying only; any Deatchwatch Marine units?

 

 

Games Workshop: Digital Editions

The codex is primarily designed to be included as allies, but you will be able to take a primary detachment if you like.

there aren't any Space Marines in the book, so no Deathwatch (but we've certainly got our eye on them for their own digital something in the future).

So there you have it. Can be used as a stand-alone codex, and Deathwatch Marines will likely get their own digital codex in the future.

 

V

[MayorDaley]

I have mixed feelings about that...

 

I don't get why GW has never let the Inquistion field a DW Kill-team???  Strange is all.

 

Now a nicely done DeathWatch supplement could be great, but how in world will it get fleshed out?  I haven't read the FFG RPGs, but isn't the DeathWatch just a bunch of Kill-Teams?

[Gentlemanloser]

Basically.

 

Or solo 'Kill-Marines'.

 

The great thing about a Kill Team is the mix you can have within that specific unit.  You could have a Libby, Chappy, Assault Marine, Dev Marine, etc all together in a single Squad.

 

That's probably the hardest part of translating the DW to table top, and maybe why GW have held off so long.

[Valerian]

With no Grey Knights, and no Deathwatch, I've dropped to about zero interest in this release.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah. No Deathwatch kills it for me. I already have Inquisitors from all three Ordo's in the Knight codex, why exactly should I get a mini-dex for them as well? Also, I can gurantee none of the SC's will be as good as Coteaz. Sigh..

[Gentlemanloser]

With the GK dex and allies, I see no reason for this 'codex' at all.

 

Hell, if the demand was that great, supplement IST into the current GK Dex until we get a proper 6th edition revamp.

[MayorDaley]

Basically.

Or solo 'Kill-Marines'.

The great thing about a Kill Team is the mix you can have within that specific unit. You could have a Libby, Chappy, Assault Marine, Dev Marine, etc all together in a single Squad.

That's probably the hardest part of translating the DW to table top, and maybe why GW have held off so long.

Exactly.

The Kill-Team I have is from Chapter Approved:

-Libby, 2 HBs (with suspensors ), 2 LCs, and 6 with the special issuse bolters. How hard is it have an Ordos Xenos Inquisitor bring two of these sqds as Troops choices?!?!?

I am still hanging on to the hope that Codex:Inquisition can make an Inquisitor (and Retinue) fluffy AND playable.

Cheers

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Deathwatch Chaplains do exist, but they're not squaddies like the Tech-Marine or Apothecary specialists are. They'd usually be kept at the Watch-Fortress, not deployed, as they are rare. You'd be more likely to see a DW Chappy as a HQ character. 

 

I dunno why they don't do Deathwatch. It's A: Marines and B: Nids are just around the corner. You could even do it as a themed release; first Nids drop and wow everyone (hopefully), then they bring out Deathwatch to attract all the Marine players who are complaining Nids are OP. 

[Gentlemanloser]

RD, guess you've not played the FFG Deathwatch RPG?

Chappies are an advanced career, like Watch Commanders or those Relic Guards (with door opening bracers).

Edit: The anti nid Imperial release is a UM Tyranid Veteran supplement.

[Madmaardigan]

Online GK codex update anyone consider the possibility of them just taking all inquisition stuff out of our deck and leaving us as pure GK's , update comming soon we.'lol see I guess

[Gentlemanloser]

Won't happen.

 

Even GW won't invalidate so many players armies in one fell swoop.

[boreas]

Haha, noooo, they wouldn't :) They did take away the =I= units from WH players. Now, maybe the update will replace all =I= units with stormtalons, GK bikes, GK centurions with double-twin-linked-psycannons, etc...

[Madmaardigan]

I know I'm gonna get made fun of for this but what do ppl mean by =I= units?

[Valerian]

=I=

Is roughly the sign of the Imperial Inquisition, so when folks use the symbol, they are talking about units, like Inquisitors and their henchmen/retinues that are specifically Inquisition units, and not Grey Knights unit (which are a subset of the Inquisition, too, but we consider them to be separate for the purposes of this discussion.

V

 

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[Brother Bobert]

I don't think this update is just an ally that all the imperial armies can take. It sounds more like a spatbook for any of the imperail armies, not taking an allied detatchment just adding the units to the available choices, probably forcing your warlord to be one of the inquisitors.

 

Some things to support this, From their black library post

"You’ll soon be able to field an Inquisitor and their retinue in any Imperial army..."

 

Nothing mentioned about being an allied detatment, on top of that one of the new forgeworld chapter tactics, Red Hunters

"By this Seal: When using the Allies Matrix, all models in the Red Hunters detachment count units from Codex: Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle as Battle Brothers so long as an Inquisitor is also present in the allied detachment."

 

As of right now sisters have no way of taking an inquisitor seeing how they were all removed in the White Dwarf codex, and still not added in the digital codex.

 

So if this is just a spatbook it would allow sisters, or any other marine/IG army, to take an iquisitor without locking up the allied detatchment slot.

 

I know this all is got me excited, with rumors saying that we should have a physcal copy of the book 2-4 months after the digital release, my deathwatch models are making good progress.

[Gentlemanloser]

If it is, then as I said above, it's just a pay to win buff for imperial armies to get units from *our* codex, without having to use their ally slot.

 

Which is downright insulting.