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[Vinc]

I've got a question. I gather that the benefits of weapon/armor artifacts apply just to the bearer, but do other artifacts' benefits spill over to the rest of the unit? Like Curze's Orb (re-rolls) or  Vox Deamonicus (LD modifier)?  

[ThatOneMarshal]

I've got a question. I gather that the benefits of weapon/armor artifacts apply just to the bearer, but do other artifacts' benefits spill over to the rest of the unit? Like Curze's Orb (re-rolls) or Vox Deamonicus (LD modifier)?

The orb is only the bearer only the daemonicus is an area of effect for the leadership debuff and the reserve manipulation affects the entire army.

[Vinc]

Thanx brother!!!

[Lord Abaia]

This release has gotten me pretty excited about Night Lords again. All I have so far is a ten man squad of CSM that I made for a kill team, but I think I enjoyed painting them more than any other minis I have. The color scheme is wonderful.

 

The new Stormbolt Plate relic really makes me want to do a Night Lords winged Daemon Prince. I'm thinking about painting his fleshy bits pale white with a recess wash of Drakenhoff Nightshade, jet black iris-less eyes, and doing his armor up in Night Lords midnight and bronze. I think the contrast of the pale skin and the dark blue armor will really pop. Most of the NL DPs I see are just straight blue.

 

Gameplay wise I'd likely just use him as a flying caster. Telepathy is the obvious choice for psychological warfare IMO, but the Slaanesh discipline fits the bill pretty well too. I know Daemon of Tzeentch is the no brainier choice for 2+ rerollable armor and jink saves so I'm kind of torn. I guess I can just decide that on a game-by-game basis.

 

I'm starting to work on the fluff for my DP/ warband, and I'm definitely leaning towards a daemonic Judge Dredd type personality for the DP. Sort of a guy who sees himself as justice incarnate, and hunts down Inquisitors for crimes against the Imperium (the old Imperium that he helped create, not the corrupt, superstitious shambles that they call the IoM in M41). I've always been drawn to the off-the-rails Batman aspects of the Night Lords rather than the flayer without a cause.

 

Anybody have any tips? I've never really played CSM outside of kill team, but I want to collect a jump infantry heavy Chaos Warband (I can't stand bikes in 40k) and go from there.

[ThatOneMarshal]

so i finally made it down to my FLGS and I found to my surprise that we now have 3 new night lords players, 2 of which player chaos and 1 that does heresy so it was cool to talk and school them on night lords knowledge that I've learned from you all.

 

Thanks to a certain memeber of this boardnow get triggered whenever I hear that the night lords are the raptor legion, which I heard quite a bit. I convinced them all on getting bikes which is great.

 

Aside from that I also wittnessed one of the most terrible things I've ever seen in 40k. One of the players took the stormbolt armor on a daemon prince of nurgle :/.

 

Anyone who has kurze know how tall he is compared to a daemon prince? I was thinking that we can pretty much run his model as one if you give the prince the claws. Make him khorne and you're STR 8 with re rolls on the charge. And it gives you an excuse to run him more.

 

Also anyone know a good way to night lordify a bike unit?

[Noctem Cultor]

Ave Dominus Nox Brothers!

 

Quick question has anyone run a good CSM/TL Night Lord Raptor Talon Formation teamed up with the Heldrake Terror Pack list? I want an idea of points and how many models ill need to have to get it right.

 

Im thinking ill add in an Aegis Defense Line with Comms relay to help with the deep striking or something? etc.

 

I have the feeling now is the time to expand the kill team fully into a a Bleeding Eyes Raptor Cult force with some stolen fighters to take care of units that the Raptors/Warp Talons may suffer with. I get there are better lists but I love me a good fluff based list.

 

The idea came from looking at this list:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/goatboys-season-of-chaos-sons-of-magic-and-night.html

I total up the list at 1680pts not sure if that's right.

 

If the bike can be used as a beacon for deep striking (not sure if possible) then that is fine but I would have thought Warp Talons squad would go well with the Clawed Lord as just 65pts extra.

But I wanted to see what the Denizens of the flaying pits thought.

 

-Noctem

Edited December 20, 2016 by Noctem Cultor

[Vinc]

so i finally made it down to my FLGS and I found to my surprise that we now have 3 new night lords players, 2 of which player chaos and 1 that does heresy so it was cool to talk and school them on night lords knowledge that I've learned from you all.

 

Thanks to a certain memeber of this boardnow get triggered whenever I hear that the night lords are the raptor legion, which I heard quite a bit. I convinced them all on getting bikes which is great.

 

Aside from that I also wittnessed one of the most terrible things I've ever seen in 40k. One of the players took the stormbolt armor on a daemon prince of nurgle :/.

 

Anyone who has kurze know how tall he is compared to a daemon prince? I was thinking that we can pretty much run his model as one if you give the prince the claws. Make him khorne and you're STR 8 with re rolls on the charge. And it gives you an excuse to run him more.

 

Also anyone know a good way to night lordify a bike unit?

I was thinking the same thing - using Curze as a DP. I'm just going to put his base on a DP/Dreadnought base. I think he would be the size of a DP with wings - I've never seen anyone complaining when you use a taller model as 'it counts as' (I use my Contemptors as Helbrutes all the time)

[Wicced]

Also anyone know a good way to night lordify a bike unit?

 

just put some trophies and maybe some bat wings on them

 

i used the wings from the old metal helmets for mine

 

example:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207298-screams-of-despair-night-lords-wip-midnight-clad-we-pg-8/?p=2719654

Edited December 20, 2016 by Wicced

[Psykic_scribe]

@ThatOneMarshal  - to night lordify a bike unit?

 

Suggest just applying the usual NL upgrade bits, to both bikes and riders.  Examples in my Night Lords Company's 30th post here.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Psykic_scribe

[helterskelter]

I miss the old bikes with the blades on them....

[Augustus b'Raass]

Also anyone know a good way to night lordify a bike unit?

Brother Heinrich has some good ones. And I like mine too. :) 

[Kaldoth]

Besides adding shoulder pads, upgrade bits, etc, this is how I did mine. Glaives being a Night Lord-y weapon, I feel like they really give them some character. Really, it's all about the paint job when it comes to our Legion. The blue and lightning is unmistakable, so just throw on whatever trophies and the like you want and give them a proper paint job :D Speaking of, I really need to get off my ass and paint these guys <_<

 

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/Kaldoth/IMG_20160322_200610539.jpg

 

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/Kaldoth/IMG_20160322_200629117.jpg

Edited December 21, 2016 by Kaldoth

[Noctem Cultor]

On the bike subject, I agree the paint job is what makes it but if you want to convert, just imagine a Ravenwing bike but instead of feathers/bird motif Bat wings and Skulls of course flayed skin modeled to flap in the wind helps too.

-Noctem

[Guiltysparc]

What do you guys think about this list idea?  

 

Core

Raptor Talon

• Raptor Lord - Claws of the black hunt, sigil of corruption
• 5x Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Lightning Claw/Melta Bombs on Sargent
• 5x Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Lightning Claw/Melta Bombs on Sargent
• 5x Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Lightning Claw/Melta Bombs on Sargent

 

Command

Daemon Prince  

• Daemon of Tzeentch
• Stormbolt Plate
• ML 3 Psycher
• Wings
• CCW
• Warlord

 

Auxiliary

Helforged Warpack

• Warpsmith
• 1x Forgefiend with 3 Plasma Cannons 
• 2x Maulerfiends with lashers

 

Spawn 

• 3x Spawn

Its 1500pts on the dot, so you could throw in a 2 drake terror pack to get to the 1850 standard.  I'm liking the idea of screening the raptors with spawn and maulerfiends and the DP's access to a near constanst 2+ rerollable save.  With his powers you could try to surf the maulerfiends up the board on some terrain for some immediate pressure.

[Lord Abaia]

I was going through my bits box today and I found some Deldar hooks and chains a guy gave me a while back. They seem like they'd work well as the Scourging Chains artifact.

 

And then I got to thinking if you put the Scourging Chains on a force sword Sorcerer in effect you are giving him a pair of force lighting claws for 10 points. Anybody try this yet? It seems like a great way to lay the hurt on some MCs/GMCs.

[jumai]

I've been eyeing that combo too... haven't been quite able to squeeze the sorcerer into the VIII half of the NL/IW two detachment list I've been tinkering on, but been trying.

[SyNidus]

I've finally done it.

My Betrayal at Calth box set has arrived and i'll be assembling some models fairly soon. The vision i have with my army is that it will be able to serve all my power armoured army needs. I.e. I'd be able to play using the loyalist ruleset as well. The reason for this is because it saves me money (so i don't have to fork out extra for a new marine army).

 

As such, whilst my night lords should be gruesome, i don't want them to look like a rag-tag band of misfits but something a little more regimented. Brutality and horror, but controlled.

The Betrayal at Calth box gives the blank slate, but i'd like to know if you guys have any suggestions for making them more NL without resorting to the FW kits.

Edited December 23, 2016 by SyNidus

[helterskelter]

Cheapest option: skeleton/zombie/dark eldar/chaos parts for trophies/adornments

 

Cheap/mid: there's links all over the shop to various sellers of bits for things like bag o skulls/o corpses, there's an ebay shop that does some fancy looking cloaks and shoulder guard pieces (all buried in this thread as I don't think flint rolls in here much anymore I think some things haven't made it to the first post. You'll have to go a looking unless the esteemed Augustus b'rass can provide. He's a converting king)

 

Mid/expensive but worth it: just roll with the forge world bits they're ace

[Paradigm]

Another very cheap source of grisly bits are the Mantic Zombies. You get some butchered up bodies you can use. You can cut off the hands and tack them to the breastplates for example.

[helterskelter]

Had a small chat with a store manager that's made me think, I don't have the legion book yet, but is there a segment on Curze where it says the footage goes dark.

I'm going to have to re-read the trilogy but did they feel anything when Curze died?

Is there the possibility in all his time away, he met up and acquired a fabius clone to do a switcheroo?

[Kol Saresk]

Had a small chat with a store manager that's made me think, I don't have the legion book yet, but is there a segment on Curze where it says the footage goes dark.

I'm going to have to re-read the trilogy but did they feel anything when Curze died?

Is there the possibility in all his time away, he met up and acquired a fabius clone to do a switcheroo?

The Short Story/audiodrama Throne of Lies. Basic premise is that First Talon is hunting some assassins from the same order as M'Shen, the assassin originally named and credited for killing Konrad Curze. Reason being is that they have a trail leading to the only recording of the events directly leading to Curze's death. In the recording, it shows Curze's speech to M'Shen, cuts out when the fight starts and then ends with M'Shen carrying away Curze's head, the Corona Nox, and a few other artifacts IIRC. The Index Astartes article and Lord of the Night also carry basically the same account, although Lord of the Night is purportedly Zso Sahaal's firsthand account of the events.

 

And all of the Night Lords reacted differently to Curze's death. According to Talos, he sought vengeance and that is why he killed M'Shen and fulfilled the prophecy behind his moniker "Soul Hunter". Also according to Talos, most of the Night Lords simply went after M'Shen to reclaim the various trophies she had taken because they believed they would be able to claim leadership of the Legion with said trophies. Then the Eldar attacked, Zso Sahaal got trapped in a warp storm, many of the other Night Lords got their trophies, the Atramentar and the First Company were left abandoned on M'Shen's ship and thus had to basically barter away their own loyalties in order to survive the Eldar attack. Somewhere in the mess, the assassin's ship must have gone to warp because her recording equipment made it back to Imperial hands. Most likely it got caught up in the same warp storm as Zso Sahaal, but since it was not the target of the trap, it simply drifted through the warp and came out in Imperial hands.

[helterskelter]

My question is it plausible that it wasn't Curze the primarch but Curze an imperfect clone.

 

He forgets Sevatar died and has to be reminded. Granted that could be attributed to madness.

There's no real sense of shock that the astartes seem to suffer from, albeit from 3 examples of primarch death we have to go from.

We are now unsure currently of how Curze escapes from lion El johnsons capture and between events.

We also know fabius can craft primarch clones.

I wouldn't put it past Curze to tag out as he hates his legion

[Kol Saresk]

It's possible. The only thing I'd point out is the lack of hard evidence. That said, it wouldn't be the first time an off-the-wall theory turned out to be exactly what GW/BL/FW were planning. Case in point would be way back when a poster said that he figured out Vulkan would become a Perpetual. Six months later, we get Vulkan Lives.

[Noctem Cultor]

Curze and Legion don't play well with others so I doubt Fabius would have access to the needed materials. The legion wouldn't want him cloned for mixed reasons so they won't help. Also by surviving the core of his character to be vindicated in death to show he told the truth would be rendered a lie.

 

There was to many witnesses to his death and his head being removed etc for him to have faked it. I think the wording of how the pict feed fades in and out is from the old original fluff on this before BL started expanding the fluff.

[helterskelter]

Apparently in the new legion supplement the blacked out feed stands and it's still only Curze and M'shen in the room.

 

Also in talon of horus fabius has cloned them all anyway regardless of what anyone else wanted.

 

I know the evidence isn't there yet, but there's still room for things to take place. literally just springboarding off the conversation which traitor primarch comes next.

 

"It could even be Curze"

"But he's dead"

"Is he though" etc etc