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[helterskelter]

What is everyone's opinion on Carcharadons Red Tithe?

I enjoyed it that much I did it in two sittings, one of 1hour and one 6 hour.

I think the Night Lords were really well done and I'd be more than happy for RobMac to do more.

[MrBear]

What is everyone's opinion on Carcharadons Red Tithe?

 

I thought it was pretty good. The Carcharadons were interesting to see given how little I knew about them beforehand, and having them pitched against the Night Lords was a good match-up. The Night Lords themselves were portrayed in a way that felt 'right' to me, a bit 'backstabby' perhaps but in a way that suits them as traitor marines. I also liked that most of them weren't veterans of the Heresy, it was refreshing with some 'young' members of the legion compared as a complement and contrast to ADB's veterans in 10th company. The latter bunch are still my favourite Night Lords, but these guys are quite enjoyable aswell.

 

All in all I wouldn't mind reading more about them (and the Carcharadons) if RobMac get the opportunity.

[Kaptain Von]

 

But if I take the Helldrake formation it has to come in from reserves, If I also deepstrike the raptor talon I am talking about a lot of my army starting in reserves with no reserve manipulation. With a bit of bad luck It could lose me the game. 

 

Is their anyway to counteract this? 

 

With night fighting the raptors would be fairly well covered saved to start on the field. 

 

 

It's a risk. I think the Raptor Talon can work if it starts on the battlefield though - or, correct me if I'm wrong, you can hold any Warp Talons in Reserve (so they get to drop out of nowhere and do their Blind thing) but set up the Raptors and Lord on the board for a bit more field presence.

[Xin Ceithan]

 

What is everyone's opinion on Carcharadons Red Tithe?

 

 

I thought it was pretty good. The Carcharadons were interesting to see given how little I knew about them beforehand, and having them pitched against the Night Lords was a good match-up. The Night Lords themselves were portrayed in a way that felt 'right' to me, a bit 'backstabby' perhaps but in a way that suits them as traitor marines. I also liked that most of them weren't veterans of the Heresy, it was refreshing with some 'young' members of the legion compared as a complement and contrast to ADB's veterans in 10th company. The latter bunch are still my favourite Night Lords, but these guys are quite enjoyable aswell.

 

All in all I wouldn't mind reading more about them (and the Carcharadons) if RobMac get the opportunity.

This. Pretty much this.

[Kaptain Von]

A day later than planned and their bases still aren't done properly, but here are the last two models out of Dark Vengeance. Meet Szandor the Szorcerer and Tar Zahaan, Praetor of the VIII Legion (he's been ill).

 

 

[Noctem Cultor]

Carcharadons Red Tithe was an interesting read, I don't know the Caracharadons well but liked what I read and found them a good match for the NL. As mentioned above I enjoyed that it featured New Bloods and that as a consequence some traits of our Legion were focused on while others that Heresy surviving brothers were largely ignored.

Id prefer that we got more of a win but we were the bad guys and at least the Warband survived to fight another day as we do.

 

I 'm noticing a pattern that when parts of our Legions Warbands is destroyed its normally the corrupted sections that are cut away, in that novel the Sorcerer and Warp Talons were among the dead. Now I don't know if this is intentional but could it be we are subconsciously purging the taint from our ranks?

 

-Noctem

 

Ahh forgot to add @Kaptain Von
Love the use of the Krannon Model as a Sorcerer it fits in nicely and I may need to steal said idea if ever want to add a sorcerer.

Edited February 1, 2017 by Noctem Cultor

[helterskelter]

That would mean someone needs to kill Krieg :p

I thought it was equal parts win for both sides in my opinion, the carachadarons got a proper beating, which in itself is refreshing, and team NL got rid of two pieces of junk they really didn't want while still being able to enjoy themselves. Gentlemens draw. As loosely as gentlemen can be used given the marines involved

[MrBear]

I think one aspect of more corrupt Night Lords getting killed (Krieg aside  ) is a different attitude when it come to taking risks compared to their less... 'ideologically interested' brothers. If you're a sorcerer trying to make a deal with a demon, or doing something risky to gain favor with the Dark Powers you're probably prepared to hang around a little longer when the brown stuff starts to hit the fan. Is it risky for you? Sure it is, you might die. But hey, you've been playing with fire for millennia already with all your rituals anyway haven't you? And if that hasn't killed you yet, you might aswell take this little extra risk right? Of course you will, and you will not only survive as you always done so far, you will succeed! And the Pantheon will reward you!

 

Only this time you didn't make it in the end... Those blasted Imperial lapdogs had an ace up their sleeve and some desperate heroics from their side got you killed and sent your soul to the darkest pits of the Warp instead of you gaining all that glory and power.

 

While all this happened, those 'puritan' brothers of yours that you had always sneered at because they were so narrow-minded, started to realise that the tables had turned and began looking out for number one. Instead of risking their necks long enough for your gamble to pay off they said: "Screw you guys, I'm going home!" and left. Except they didn't say it with so many words, why announce you're leaving? If you do, all the rest of the gang are going to start doing the same thing, and then there is no-one 'heroically' covering your escape. After all, the best fighting retreat is the one where you retreat, and some other fools do the rear-guard fighting.

 

That's a summary of how I imagine quite a few Night Lords thinking.
 

[Noctem Cultor]

MrBear knows what's up, that summarizes it's perfectly.

-Noctem

Just got the first bit of lightning on a model for this version of my Warband, has to be my favorite bit about painting Night Lords

Edited February 3, 2017 by Noctem Cultor

[Augustus b'Raass]

@ MrBear:

 

@ Noctem Cultor: Lightning?

Hidden Content

http://i.imgur.com/NyKI8Qc.gif

:p
 

[Noctem Cultor]

Little is more, plus can't strike from the shadows of it looks like Thor on acid.

Or least that's my excuse unlike some over talented brothers who can pull off a thunderstorm making it look awesome.

 

-Noctem

[Black_out]

Speaking of lightning (yours looks great Noctem), I'm terrified of painting some over these gigantic open panels on this fire raptor.....ugh

 

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee424/tom-asaurusrex/20170202_212219_zpsj5v2tpy2.jpg

[Augustus b'Raass]

@ Noctem: I was just teasing about the small picture, brother (also, I love that GIF, so I use it whenever I can - which admittedly is bordering on too much) Your lightning looks very good actually. Personally I'd encourage you to do just a tiny bit more, but that's really a personal style thing. Less is more is also a legitimate and fitting option. Whatever you do, be assured that your flyer reads as 100% Night Lords!  EDIT: also now that you changed the size to large I see that awesome piece of skin on the lower aft stabilizer fin. 

 

@ Black_out: If I may give you a tip: try doing some edge highlighting on the vehicle first: it'll visually brake down the large panels, which makes the lightning that you do do stand out far more - which in turn gives you a much better indication on when to stop.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Augustus b'Raass

[Noctem Cultor]

@Black_out

Thanks, Wow I kind of envy you and I don't its a great space to do some stunning lightning but yeah daunting at the same time. I practiced a few times on some flat painted cardboard copying photos and the streaks on the FW Brass etch before I braved the Dark Talon.

@Augustus

No worries didn't mean to come across offended I generally have Lightning envy of a lot of our Brothers here including yourself with some stunning lightning paint jobs out there. Thank you I take that as the highest compliment and yes it was pointed out in my w.i.p blog that id should use another type of picture posting for bigger images now ive redone my blog pictures if you liked that skin your like the stitched piece on the other side. Still working on it some some clear pictures soon.

-Noctem

[Augustus b'Raass]

That stretched skin...  that's an amazing idea. Imagine the whole wing covered in it! You Sir, have just inspired me to make a Nurgle heldrake.

[Noctem Cultor]

That stretched skin...  that's an amazing idea. Imagine the whole wing covered in it! You Sir, have just inspired me to make a Nurgle heldrake.

 

Funny you should mention it I used an old sunglasses case that has an almost leathery look to it, cut that section out going for a Fabius style stitched skin look. I sized up the wings and wimped out due to lack of material as I want to keep a consistent look throughout the Warband so no point wasting resources. I only applied a Ard Coat layer to strengthen the fiber bonds but worked well after that.

Now to see someone go to the max with it would be great and knowing you it would be awesome! Make sure to PM me if you do it, id love to see it.

 

-Noctem

[Noctem Cultor]

Yey Sons of the eighth a loyalist Primarchs lives who wants to kill prey that matters, be nice to give the Imperium a proper black eye again.

 

On a rule based question! Formations confuse the crap out of me, so for the Murder Talon from TL I just wanted to know does the Lord from a Raptor Talon count as the needed command slot or do I need another Lord? Playing around with having half of my list as Alpha Legion rule wise and want to see what I have to play with.

 

-Noctem

[Augustus b'Raass]

On a rule based question! Formations confuse the crap out of me, so for the Murder Talon from TL I just wanted to know does the Lord from a Raptor Talon count as the needed command slot or do I need another Lord? Playing around with having half of my list as Alpha Legion rule wise and want to see what I have to play with.

Noctem Cultor!

 

Dude, I totally get what you're saying about getting confused. I had the same thing when those came out. So here's a summary, that is written to make things as clear as possible.

 

An army consists of one or more 'Detachments'. A Detachment is basically a combination of specific unit types. One Detachment in your army must be selected as your 'Primary Detachment' (so if there's only one Detachment in your army, that's the Primary Detachment by default).

 

There are four types of Detachments:

 

1. The most familiar one, the Combined Arms Detachment (CAD), with a Force Organisation Chart. It consists of a minimum of 1 HQ, and 2 TROOPS units. You can add 3Elite, 4TROOPS, 3FA, 3HS slots, as well as 1 Lord of War and 1 Fortification. If your Warlord is chosen from this Detachment, it may reroll the result on the Warlord Trait table. TROOPS in a CAD have the Objective Secure special rule.

2. Allied Detachement: also with a Force Organisation Chart with a mandatory 1HQ and 1TROOPS, and an optional 1TROOPS, 1Elite, 1FA, and 1HS. Allied Detachments can never be your primary Detachment, and so your Warlord can never be part of the Allied Detachment.TROOPS in an Allied Detachment have the Objective Secure special rule.

3. Single Formation: a combination of specific units with a (set of) special rule(s).You can pick any formation you want and add it to your army. Your army can even consist of one formation.

4. A so-called 'Formation Detachment' (what some call a 'Decurion Detachment´, after the Necron Decurion Detachment, which was the first published Formation Detachment ), consisting of a specific combination of Formations with a set of additional special rules that apply to its formations. Most often, one of these special rules is that if your Warlord is chosen from the Formation Detachment, he can reroll the result on the Warlord Trait table.

 

Now, you can make up an army consisting of solely CADs, solely of Formations, solely of a Formation Detachment, or any combination of the three.

 

Your Warlord is any Character model in your army you wish. It doesn't even have to be the character in your HQ slot from your CAD, if your army has a CAD in it. So it can be a sergeant/champion in one of the squads. Hell, if your army doesn´t have any models of the Character type, you can even nominate a vehicle or a regular trooper as your Warlord! But! The detachment your Warlord is in, is always your primary detachment. 

 

So, to answer your question specifically: you're asking about the Raptor Talon Formation, and whether or not the Lord 'fills the command slot'. However 'command slot' is not a technical term in The Rules. I'm assuming you either mean the HQ slot from the Force Organization Chart, or you´re asking if the Lord from the Raptor Talon can be your Warlord. Either way, the answer is the same: Formations don't work with 'slots' from the Force Organization Chart. Formations just require a specific combination of units, in the case of the Raptor Talon; one Chaos Lord, and a combination of 3 to 5 units of Raptors or Warp Talons. Any of the models in that formation of the Character type can be your Warlord. So you could choose the Chaos Lord to be your Warlord, but one of the Raptor Champions or Warp Talon Champions are just as viable to be your Warlord. 

 

Does that help? If you need any more help, feel free to ask me here or PM me.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Augustus b'Raass

[Noctem Cultor]

Thanks for the detailed run down Augustus total hero.

 

It all makes more sense to me now. I don't know if it's just the wording or that I was going between The rules, CSM & TL but after reading the Murder Talon restrictions I ended up confused to if my list was right or not.

This is an example of 40k needing some fat trimmed, still all is well my list is fine so I can now look for Nasty combos treating another half of my force as another Legion to show that we are jacks of all trades not just the masters of fear (for all it's good rulewise).

 

So guess I do need to make a Terror squad to use as chosen yey!

-Noctem

[Vinc]

Rhino rush! 

 

[Lord Abaia]

Does anyone else feel weird painting the headlights on a Night Lords vehicle?

 

Great Rhinos by the way. Love the stowaway on the second one.

Edited February 4, 2017 by Magpie Knight

[Vinc]

Thank you. Lights are standard issue so you know... It used to look like this: 

 

It was my first Rhino and was repainted like 3-4 times (When I started I used to play The Purge - nurgle warband)

Edited February 4, 2017 by Vinc

[Augustus b'Raass]

Does anyone else feel weird painting the headlights on a Night Lords vehicle?

The headlights are part of the Rhino STC, so... If it'd make you feel more comfortable painting them, pretend the following:

 

You're dug in on this cold night, waiting for the enemy to appear in the dark. In the distance, a pair of faint glowing lights, like lanterns, peer from the darkness and come towards you. A speaker grill starts blasting moans and screams of what you believe to be humans like you, pleading for the end, as they are skinned alive. Then, suddenly, the lights go out and the roar of the engine stops. A booming voice breaks the eerie silence: "We have come for you...", after which all hell breaks lose: bolter shells whiz past you, your fellow guardsmen explode around you, and your last sight is looking up to see a pair of clawed boots descending from the sky, impacting in your face.

 

Your last thought? "I should have run at first sight of those headlights." 

 

Edited February 5, 2017 by Augustus b'Raass

[Gordon Shumway]

I paint mine a dim red, not for the Night Lords to see where they are going, but so the enemy can see their death coming out of the darkness.

[Balthamal]

Soooooooo word leaking from the HH is that our beloved VIII Legion will feature in (appropriately) Volume VIII which means we could finally get our Atramentar models :D