++ AUGUSTUS b'RAASS ++ pre-heresy BRASS SCORPION p.247

[Olis]

@ Olis: Thank you so much, Olis! Just out of curiosity: Understated in what way?

 

To put it one way: Once it's painted up, you could possibly pass it off as an OOP model to someone who's not any the wiser. It's not overly flamboyant like some Bloodthirster conversions I've seen, nor is it weighed down by half a ton of Khornate symbols. ^_^

[KrautScientist]

I think the cloven hooves already work quite a bit better! And seeing him without the plastic DP shoulder pads now, I think you should actually leave them off or replace them with something smaller, as they too seem to be a factor adding to the clunkiness.

[Viridia]

Now that is a beauty. You've managed to make the old metal BT and the new plastic parts work amazingly well together.

[hushrong]

Sweet! Definitely looks so much more rad!

 

Don't get me wrong, your skills are light years ahead of kind. The work you put into him was great. Now with the cloven feet he looks so much more like a daemon ready to trample the unworthy and defeated beneath him.

[Pearson73]

I'd agree with Kraut, I think he looks better without the pads. Impressive work on this project.

[rednekkboss]

Nice upgrade on the old model!

[Mechanist]

The hooves look tons better and I feel do help with the proportions, I have to disagree with Kraut about the Shoulder pads and feel they work very well with the new head and arms. Though it would be worth seeing him with them removed but head and arms in place to be sure.
A final tidy and will be great to see the ankle armour in place but I get the feeling this is only a post or two away from some paint. 

[Bob Hunk]

Love the Bloodthirster conversion, it has a real 'old school' feel! B)

[Augustus b'Raass]

No shoulder pads, eh? Let's take a look then...

 

I also tried the chin armour made of the Maulerfiend magma cutter covers, and sadly it didn't work at all - they were far too big and didn't have the right shape. :(

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsl5nkpsgr.jpg

 

I'm not sure I like this. Not least because I sculpted the arms with the shoulder pads in mind, meaning they are far less detailed than the leg armour...

 

What do you think?

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@ Atia: Cheers, good to hear :)

 

@ Race Bannon: Haha they sure do - perhaps this is why he is so angry? After I glued them in place, I realized I should have braided the ass-chains  loool

 

@ Olis: Ah! Now I see... Well, thanks! I'm pretty sure that would be cheating though ;)

 

@ KrautScientist: What do you think of him sans pauldrons? I'm not sure, budy. The arm muscles are far less detailed and anatomically correct than the legs...

 

@ Viridia: Thanks, mate! I'm glad you like him! :)

 

@ hushrong: Eh, thanks! The cloven feet look pretty baller, I agree. :) I'm glad you guys made me do it 

 

@ Pearson73: Alright - you still think so?

 

@ rednekkboss: Cheers, buddy! High praise from a hobbyist such as yourself :)

 

@ Mechanist: Glad I have an ally in the no-pauldrons camp... you still with me? ;) No ankle armour, sadly it wasn't possible.

 

@ Bob Hunk: You have a cool name! lol and thanks! ALthough it is an old school model.

[Mechanist]

Yes still with you. Don't get me wrong without looks great but I feel the balance of the model is slightly off without, it emphasizes the bigger hooves more and draws the eye downwards, whereas the shoulders help to frame the head and I find myself looking more and first at the face with them in place and more at the axe and chest without them.

[Sagentus]

I recon it would look better with shoulder pads, but maybe dome finer/less bulky ones. It is amazing to see how that cut in the hooves makes so much difference. Great sculpt/model all round, cant wait to see it finished!

[KrautScientist]

Yes still with you. Don't get me wrong without looks great but I feel the balance of the model is slightly off without, it emphasizes the bigger hooves more and draws the eye downwards, whereas the shoulders help to frame the head and I find myself looking more and first at the face with them in place and more at the axe and chest without them.

 

Yeah, but then the shoulder pads are once again such a big and clunky element that draws too much attention. Long story short, you probably need some shoulder pads, but I would suggest something smaller and/or more sophisticated, for lack of a better word. Off the top of my head, those from the Dragon Ogres would probably work. Or what about the skull shaped shoulder pad that comes with the plastic Bloodthirster kit? And if you're not in too much of a hurry, I'd love to have a look at my bitzbox tomorrow in order to see whether there's something there that stands out as a possible option.

[ElDuderino]

Very cool bloodthirster, you really made that old model look more modern.

 

I'm with Kraut in the shoulderpads, mostly because they're a bit too marine-like for a daemon imho. Makes sense for an ascended astartes, a bit less for a full blooded warp being

[Augustus b'Raass]

Thanks again for the great feedback, guys! A midway solution is perhaps the better option. I agree that the shoulder pads make him look slightly too marine-ish and therefore make it harder for the model to be distinguishable from a Daemon Prince - although some Bloodthirsters have started out as mortals. Ang'Rath for example, was once human, as I recall. 

That being said, I'll have a looksee about some other pads. :)

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@ Mechanist: Hurray, you're still on board! :D Seriously though, I agree that the centre of focus should be the model's head, and the large hooves draw the eye. The model sans pauldrons needs a bit of extra bulk near the head, and the pauldrons provide that. However, they might be a tad too much...

 

@ Sagentus: Excellent point, that has been corroborated by Kraut and ElDuderino, and I'm very partial to it. Thanks!

 

@ KrautScientist: I'll have a looksee in my bitsbox and eBay and bits sites and the like, but I would much appreciate your extensive bits box too :D Tell you what - I'll paint the model and the shoulder pads seperately, and see if we can add something when you're here? :D

 

@ ElDuderino: Thanks! I agree, although mind you even Bloodthirsters can hail from mortals. The Daemonlord Ang'Rath was once a human warrior, and is described as the most potent of all Bloodthirsters. :tu: :)

[Ferrus Manus]

I actually think it looks a lot better without the shoulder pads. It's a really well put together conversion. Are you planning anything special for the base?

[KrautScientist]

 

@ KrautScientist: I'll have a looksee in my bitsbox and eBay and bits sites and the like, but I would much appreciate your extensive bits box too Tell you what - I'll paint the model and the shoulder pads seperately, and see if we can add something when you're here?

 

Well, I've had a first look through my bitzbox, and while I've come up with a small pile of possible bitz (I'll happily provide pictures if needed), none of them did feel quite satisfactory. You know what would work really well, though? Defiler face masks, especially the ones shaped like a skull. Anyway, just an idea...

[Pearson73]

Think I'm still in the no pads camp, though it could be interesting seeing him with smaller/different pads as others have suggested?

[Augustus b'Raass]

Thanks again for the pleasant and helpful feedback, guys. I think I've pretty much settled on my decision that yes, he will have some form of shoulder protection. The reasons for this is that

A. I'm not convinced I can pull off altering his arm sculpts in a way that would be satisfactory to me; B. I don't think it is weird for a Daemon to have armour - he already has body armour, and the plastic BT also has shoulder pads; and C. I love shoulder armour. The question remains which shoulder armour. You guys have given some convincing arguments against the Daemon Prince's pads, as they do give off a very Marine-like vibe. I'm not saying I will not use them 100%, but your arguments are convincing enough to have me searching bits boxes and online bits stores for alternatives. And just now, I had an epiphany: the Helbrute pads!

 

I bought the Helbrte kit as soon as it came out. Not because I was particularly fond of it, but because I'm a sucker for dreadnoughts and other wakers. I started putting it together because I didn't like the aesthetic, but mostly because the Helbrute was such a horrible, horrible unit in the game in 7th. Mind you, this was before the Helbrute Formations and the +2 attack buff that came along later. So except for the body and legs, I have all stuff on sprue, still. 

 

So here's what I came up with:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsmi4q88q4.jpg

 

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpst5cz74ah.jpg

 

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zps0hctgjc7.jpg

 

As you can see, the left pauldron shows the relative thinness of the left arm's biceps and triceps. I'll have to address that with some additional sculpting, if I decide to go with these. And for that decision, I'd love your feedback once again. 

 

Also, I've been looking at pictures of bodybuilders, and these have shown me that I can indeed bulk up the arm musculature some more. :) 

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Thank you so much for your contributions to this miniature this far. Without them, I would have probably already started paitning this guy, and I really feels like this is a community project in some way. Your feedback has pushed me to go the extra mile for this miniature. Thanks!

 

Anyway, I'd love to hear what you think of these Helbrute pads.

 

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@ Ferrus Manus: Thanks! The base will be as elaborate as the previous 'thirster I did. Perhaps I'll add a dead marine... 

 

@ KrautScientist: Aw, thanks, buddy! I'd love to see the pictures of the ones you came up with, but also to read what you think of the helbrute pads Sadly, I gave my defiler masks away to a B&C frater who used them for his Dark Mechanicum 1950's Robots. But you have given me an idea: Knight masks....

 

@ Pearson73: How about these, then?

Edited June 14, 2017 by Augustus b'Raass

[Mechanist]

You know I think it'll be worth going for the extra arm day down the gym and choosing those pads. I find myself drawn to the face and it's less obtrusive than the marine pads and an all round improvement.
I genuinely feel that the triangle of colour provided by the breastplate and two shoulder pads will frame the face nicely on the painted model.

[Augustus b'Raass]

Thanks, Mechanist, that's what I'm aiming for - to focus the eye towards its face. He'll have the same colour scheme as the previous one, so his red face will be surrounded by triangles of black. :tu:

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

The helbrute pads look much better than the other.

[augustmanifesto]

Man - in awe of your pace of progress on all these front. I'm still struggling to finish basing after much of this time!

[KrautScientist]

I think the Helbrute shoulder pads already work really well -- they actually seem less clunky than the DP pauldrons. I would maybe add some subtle detailing to them here and there (an impaled skull here, a dangling bit of chain there), but they are definitely an improvement! Personally speaking, I think Knight facemasks are probably too big, and they might look too much like giant robot faces...

 

I also have an idea that may come a bit out of the left field, but have you considered adding some dreadlocks to better tie the head and torso together? There seems to be a slightly awkward empty space behind the head, and I always loved the idea of Bloodthirsters having dreadlocks. Now I do of course realise that you must have shaved off the original ones for a reason, but still...

[Dantay VI]

I reckon the Thirster looks awesome!! The Helbrute pads work really well, the only thing that might look better would be shoulder pads similar in look to Primarch Angrons maybe?

 

Also quick question, I haven't airbrushed for a while and wet through your how to from the front page, there is great advice there, but as I go away for long spells, I need a way to store the airbrush, how do you store yours when you are not using it?

 

I have seen some folks say to use a shoot glass with a leaner and water ix and you can leave it, but was concerned that if the cleaner is solvent based it old evaporate over time.

[Pearson73]

The brute pads certainly look a lot better, I think adding some chain to the plainer pad could add some nice detail and also help tie it in with the forearm chains.