codex crimson slaughter.... yup, GW really hates us.

[chillin]

they made possessed (forsaken) troops so they could try to sell possessed (forsaken) models , because they don't sell, because they are A ) overpriced and B ) a hth only unit in a shooting friendly, hth unfriendly edition and , C ) chaos has no good delivery option for hth troops anyway.

[Excessus]

Notice how this rumour about "you can roll beatss on the possessed" showed up after people on plenty of forums said that it would be good if they were beasts...also, what good is that roll if you are already in combat? Also, that chart would invalidate giving them MoT so I don't think it's true whatsoever...

[Prot]

I really don't know anything about it, but I'm pumped. I'm definitely picking this codex up.

[Hellrender]

i hope forsaken was not  a mistranslation, but a new name. WHich means their own rule entry. If the rule is true then we get a new table. Now all 3 are very useful, but in different parts.

 

having a 3++ is of no use when fighting GEQ, and they already have a 3+. Beasts is no use if they are already in combat. And Rending is no use if they are not in combat yet.

So hopefully a relic that allows a re-roll. Maybe a points decrease. Either way i will most likely be picking this up. Nice to have options.

[Minsc]

Notice how this rumour about "you can roll beatss on the possessed" showed up after people on plenty of forums said that it would be good if they were beasts...also, what good is that roll if you are already in combat? Also, that chart would invalidate giving them MoT so I don't think it's true whatsoever...

 

Yeah, in hindsight it's a "weird" chart, eventough I like the results.

Again, I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

 

 

i hope forsaken was not  a mistranslation, but a new name. WHich means their own rule entry. If the rule is true then we get a new table. Now all 3 are very useful, but in different parts.

 

having a 3++ is of no use when fighting GEQ, and they already have a 3+. Beasts is no use if they are already in combat. And Rending is no use if they are not in combat yet.

So hopefully a relic that allows a re-roll. Maybe a points decrease. Either way i will most likely be picking this up. Nice to have options.

 

Maybe the Dark Apostle allows them to re-roll or something similar. That might explain why they try to sell him (force him down our throat) in that 20 possessed+2rhinos+DA-box. 

[Wayniac]

Honestly I never got why Possessed's thing changes, I guess it's to represent mutation but they are already mutants.  You should have been able to like buy certain abilities for them (I can't remember if you used to be able to do that in the Golden Age) instead of having to roll every turn.  But then again GW likes randomness now (or Jervis does, at any rate).

[Smurfalypse]

Notice how this rumour about "you can roll beatss on the possessed" showed up after people on plenty of forums said that it would be good if they were beasts...also, what good is that roll if you are already in combat? Also, that chart would invalidate giving them MoT so I don't think it's true whatsoever...

If you read it, it says " gain a D3 roll at the start of their owning players turn. 1". So it is more like the old school Possessed ability (if true, which I am very skeptical of).

[Wayniac]

 

Notice how this rumour about "you can roll beatss on the possessed" showed up after people on plenty of forums said that it would be good if they were beasts...also, what good is that roll if you are already in combat? Also, that chart would invalidate giving them MoT so I don't think it's true whatsoever...

If you read it, it says " gain a D3 roll at the start of their owning players turn. 1". So it is more like the old school Possessed ability (if true, which I am very skeptical of).

 

I don't remember the old Possessed ability, could you please clarify?

[Vesper]

You know, the more I think of it... If I end up liking what I read in the supplement, I might end up starting a small Knights of Blood warband.

Even though I don't know how to get that red.

[Wayniac]

You know, the more I think of it... If I end up liking what I read in the supplement, I might end up starting a small Knights of Blood warband.

Even though I don't know how to get that red.

 

Black and dunk the upper half in Blood for the Blood God? :p

[Slave to Darkness]

Nope. Don't even like the scheme or the Hellbrute.

 

Not like we need a specific Codex with fluff. This is what I see would help.

 

>Legion Tactics. Like Chapter Tactics but for the Chaos Legions.

>Weapons of Legions. Older weapon types as well as some Chaos and Daemon weapons.

>FAQ some of the options for HQ's.

 

That'll do me until a whole new dex.

all i want is to be able to take the plague marine rules (and thousand sons, khorne bezerkere and noise marine stuff) for my lord, termys, chosen etc, minus 1 Init and feel no pain etc. not too much to ask. I know the 'legions' are dead etc but considering (for example) when mortarion asked nurgle to spare his legion and they all became plague marines, surely there should be plague marine lords and termys kickng around somewhere... 

[Valaskjalf]

 

Nope. Don't even like the scheme or the Hellbrute.

 

Not like we need a specific Codex with fluff. This is what I see would help.

 

>Legion Tactics. Like Chapter Tactics but for the Chaos Legions.

>Weapons of Legions. Older weapon types as well as some Chaos and Daemon weapons.

>FAQ some of the options for HQ's.

 

That'll do me until a whole new dex.

all i want is to be able to take the plague marine rules (and thousand sons, khorne bezerkere and noise marine stuff) for my lord, termys, chosen etc, minus 1 Init and feel no pain etc. not too much to ask. I know the 'legions' are dead etc but considering (for example) when mortarion asked nurgle to spare his legion and they all became plague marines, surely there should be plague marine lords and termys kickng around somewhere... 

Yeah i know what you're saying....I dont really care about whether the legions are dead or not or what qualifies as a legion or warband or whatever the case my be. I think the problem came in when people wanted "Legion" books and then the fluff lawyers lost their marbles. Im pretty sure we all want the same thing, call it what you will - In order to not kick up another Legions debate I will word it more carefully.......I want the book of Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle - no legions. 

 

In that case all these Shenanigans with the Crimson Slaughter could have been avoided, had the book of Khorne been released and they were simply given a "Chapter Tactic" in the book. All I know is, few people asked or MEANT to ask for the legions of old...FW covers that very well, we want whatever happened to the guys who turned to the Chaos Gods, the moment they stopped being WE/DG/TS/EC etc.. 

[the jeske]

So this new codex is the same as csm codex , with the sole difference being having possessed as troops and having different relics ?

[Clone]

 

So this new codex is the same as csm codex , with the sole difference being having possessed as troops and having different relics ?

It's not a codex it's a supplement, so yes.

[Brother Ambroz]

 

 

Nope. Don't even like the scheme or the Hellbrute.

 

Not like we need a specific Codex with fluff. This is what I see would help.

 

>Legion Tactics. Like Chapter Tactics but for the Chaos Legions.

>Weapons of Legions. Older weapon types as well as some Chaos and Daemon weapons.

>FAQ some of the options for HQ's.

 

That'll do me until a whole new dex.

all i want is to be able to take the plague marine rules (and thousand sons, khorne bezerkere and noise marine stuff) for my lord, termys, chosen etc, minus 1 Init and feel no pain etc. not too much to ask. I know the 'legions' are dead etc but considering (for example) when mortarion asked nurgle to spare his legion and they all became plague marines, surely there should be plague marine lords and termys kickng around somewhere... 

Yeah i know what you're saying....I dont really care about whether the legions are dead or not or what qualifies as a legion or warband or whatever the case my be. I think the problem came in when people wanted "Legion" books and then the fluff lawyers lost their marbles. Im pretty sure we all want the same thing, call it what you will - In order to not kick up another Legions debate I will word it more carefully.......I want the book of Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle - no legions. 

 

In that case all these Shenanigans with the Crimson Slaughter could have been avoided, had the book of Khorne been released and they were simply given a "Chapter Tactic" in the book. All I know is, few people asked or MEANT to ask for the legions of old...FW covers that very well, we want whatever happened to the guys who turned to the Chaos Gods, the moment they stopped being WE/DG/TS/EC etc.. 

 

 

Um no, most of us still want some sort of legionary warband rules. The four cults are still easier to represent than a lot of the "undivided" (yes I know there is no such thing but to make it easier to classify the others.....). I really just want a way to represent the various squads of Night lords, the fallen sorcerer and the recently turned renegades all in my warband. People just want something to make their models unique, to make them different, not just play "chaos" when someone at the LGS asks but say "Night lords", "Red Corsairs" or even "Crimson Slaughter". Really hope you guys are starting to understand why we want these.

[A D-B]

Well I guess it was inevitable. You can't be the 'big bad guy' of a sci-fi setting forever if you loose every fight. (Black Legion, loosing with style since M31?)

 

RIP Black Legion, 1987-2014 / M31-M41.

 

Maybe they changed it to avoid seeing this exact misunderstanding yet again?

[Scribe]

You come in here and comment on that?

 

Lord ADB, hallowed be thy name, we will all read your Black Legion series, the record will be set right. 

 

We the suffering, the down trodden, the lamentable, players of Chaos need you for a greater work. Save the CSM faction. I know you try, and the number of Night Lords armies attests to the quality of your efforts.

 

We need a 'Legion' supplement. 2 Pages, and relics from the 3.5 book, thats all it would take. 

 

Help us ADB, you're our only hope.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

Wasn't possessed as troop something that BL and WB players wished? Well, so much about 'we don't care about strenght, we just want more fluffy options'.

 

EDIT: Just found this in the comment section of the Faeit article:

 

"From what i heard their possessed will be different. New /better/ chart to roll o on. Also their lord has options to be possessed."

 

Hmm... back to reserving judgment I guess, although more charts hooray nice to kick us back to Slaves to Darkness.

Well HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;)

[A D-B]

You come in here and comment on that?

 

Lord ADB, hallowed be thy name, we will all read your Black Legion series, the record will be set right. 

 

We the suffering, the down trodden, the lamentable, players of Chaos need you for a greater work. Save the CSM faction. I know you try, and the number of Night Lords armies attests to the quality of your efforts.

 

We need a 'Legion' supplement. 2 Pages, and relics from the 3.5 book, thats all it would take. 

 

Help us ADB, you're our only hope.

 

For this unjust mockery, I will eviscerate you in fiction.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

 

And it could still be a very elaborate (and early) April Fools joke.

 

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/scared-%28-nahh-%29.gif_GGGGWWWWWWW.By the way anyone noticed that on the CS cover the marine is either in a mirror or he is trying to release the safty pin from the side that doesn't have one . Or he is somehow left handed [as is his bolter] which is heretical in itself[all marines post heresy are right handed].

marines are trained to use both, and look at the boltgun, has a pin on both sides

[Yogi]

Why choose a rather unknown warband?

 

This is the way I see GW looking at it.

 

GW: Chaos is warbands. Not legions. Legions are dead, you are playing the bitter corpse of them. All warbands all the time. Wanna know how much I mean it, here is Crimson Slaughter supplement.

 

Fan: But I want Legions!

 

GW: Valued customer may I direct you to Forge World Horus Heresy Books. I take it you like Legions. Well 30k is all legions all the time.

 

Fan: But I want to play a legion in 40k!

 

GW: No problem valued customer, simply ask permission to play your mates orks vs a legion list.

 

Fan: But, but...

 

GW: You weren't playing games more serious then beer and pretzel games with your friends were you?

 

Fan: Maybe?

 

GW: I am disappointed in you. 

 

---

 

So yeah FW gets legions (because FW seems more in touch with what interests fans) and I suspect its selling like hotcakes and GW has decided to push more towards the newbs with a starter warband supplement. To essentially not cannibalize good ol FW sales.

 

Honestly I'm not even that fussed. Crimson Slaughter seems ok as a faction. Also the Chaos vs Space marines is like Coke vs Pepsi (ultras) colour coded now. 

 

You have yourself to blame, you should of lost interest in Chaos codex 4th edition. Or even the latest one, which continued the tradition. I know I did. 

[Scribe]

 

You come in here and comment on that?

 

Lord ADB, hallowed be thy name, we will all read your Black Legion series, the record will be set right. 

 

We the suffering, the down trodden, the lamentable, players of Chaos need you for a greater work. Save the CSM faction. I know you try, and the number of Night Lords armies attests to the quality of your efforts.

 

We need a 'Legion' supplement. 2 Pages, and relics from the 3.5 book, thats all it would take. 

 

Help us ADB, you're our only hope.

 

For this unjust mockery, I will eviscerate you in fiction.

 

It wasnt even mockery. :(

 

I would send you 1 (one) hand written letter, pleading my case for you to bring to our unjust overlords in GW if I thought it would actually help.

[Brother Heinrich]

I think some people are mistaking the whole "we want legion rules" as "we want 20 man tactical squads with 'fury of the legion' and batteries of volkite weaponry". No most of the Legion warband guys including myself don't want that, what we are asking for is a set of traits that allow our legion warbands to reflect on the tabletop what they are like in fluff. For instance:

 

• Infiltrating Alpha Legion

• Night Lords with night vision

• Word Bearers with fearless (or some other fanatic something)

 

Get where I'm going with this? I don't want to field primarchs or a 3,000 man Cataphractii Terminator spearhead armed flash Gordon ray guns. I just want my Night Lords to actually be able to call themselves Night Lords, not dark blue chaos marines. You know, the same way every first founding chapter gets special traits that fit the style they've had SINCE THEY WERE A LEGION.

[Noctus Cornix]

Silly complaints aside, what I'm hearing about this new codex is pretty cool.

 

Possessed as troops will be getting some kind of new mutation table - rumored abilities are shrouder/beast/ and 3++

 

Relics

 

1 will allow a sorcerer to pull his powers from divination

 

1 is some kind of blade that will stack buffs with kills

 

1 will offer a 2+ and IWND

 

These are just the rumors I'm hearing circulate around. Take it with an ocean of salt.

[Slave to Darkness]

I just had a random thought, and yes it did hurt a little. Mortis was put into a helbrute, and if he is in the codex he would be an Independent Character. So does that mean we might get a helbrute HQ? This might be a pretty cool thing. Not defiler HQ good, lol, but pretty neat.

probably have him as he was before the dread, look at eldrad, he dies, and who is in the eldar dex.