Blood Angel Scout Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Just finished it and it felt like it had no resonance with the Heresy so far, could've...scratch that...should've been a SM battle series novel tying into the recent Pandorax storyline. Apart from a couple of mentions of Isstvan, skirmish with EC or the serfs are beginning to learn of the Lectico Divinatus (sp), then it could be a Iron Hands 40k story. Still too recent to give a fairer or in depth review but to me, there is nothing I read in it that gave the same sense of discovery or reveal that we've experienced in other publications in the series, no real bond with any of the characters fates...just feel so flat. Don't get me wrong, it's an ok read...maybe there's been storylines from audio that I've not heard that tie into this...but yeah, for me, could do without the HH stamp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Haven't read it yet but I think this might be the first HH novel in a while where I wait for the cheaper version rather than paying out for the hardback. A lot of people have said it's a good read and that it's really well written, but a novel this far into the series having absolutely nothing to do with the overall plotline or advancement, not even tying into one of the many minor plot threads that are already travelling through the series. Nah. Don't see the point in it really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitnam Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 i'm only like a fifth of the way through it, but I agree in that it seems too detached feom the main story. It aldo hurts in thay it just focuses on one group of shattered legionaires. I think a short story anthology would explore the shattered legions better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all :) " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all :) " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? You forgot the salamander Salamander- somebody think of the children Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well, this bit from an online summary intrigues me: Iron Hand Serf # 1: We must worship the Emperor! IH Serf # 2: But he said not to worship him! #1: No, it's a test! I read all about it in this book. #2: Where did you get that? #1: The Word Bearers gave it to me. #2: ARE YOU INSANE????!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Definitely save me some money there depthcharge ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well, this bit from an online summary intrigues me: Iron Hand Serf # 1: We must worship the Emperor! IH Serf # 2: But he said not to worship him! #1: No, it's a test! I read all about it in this book. #2: Where did you get that? #1: The Word Bearers gave it to me. #2: ARE YOU INSANE????!!! #1 "Yeah, get this part...aghd smarr" *turns into spawn and eats #2* #2 "....." Tzeentch: "Just as planned..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well, this bit from an online summary intrigues me: Iron Hand Serf # 1: We must worship the Emperor! IH Serf # 2: But he said not to worship him! #1: No, it's a test! I read all about it in this book. #2: Where did you get that? #1: The Word Bearers gave it to me. #2: ARE YOU INSANE????!!! #1 "Yeah, get this part...aghd smarr" *turns into spawn and eats #2* #2 "....." Tzeentch: "Just as planned..." Meanwhile dinosaurs are having a monster mash with lizards robotic automatons & suicidal birds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all :) " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? You forgot the salamander Salamander- somebody think of the children He tried hugging that big dinosaur on the cover as he thought be a lizard marine would make them friends. He subsequently gets eaten. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 it cant be any worse that Deliverance Lost. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3750997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 it cant be any worse then Furious Abyss. WLK Fixed that for you ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 it cant be any worse then Furious Abyss, Deliverance Lost, or anything else not written by Wraight, ADB or Abnett. WLK Fixed that for you Further corrected. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 it cant be any worse then Furious Abyss, Deliverance Lost, or anything else not written by Wraight, ADB or Abnett. But it's not on the same level as nemesis nothings that bad WLK Fixed that for you Further corrected. WLK And a little fine tuning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I can't wait to get my copy. Veritas Ferrum is one of the very best BL audios, and I've been impatiently waiting to find out what happens to Atticus and crew after the warp jump. As far as not advancing the main plot, that's fine with me. Some of my favorite moments in the Heresy are the little side-stories that don't have much to do with the larger story. The big, game-changing, set piece books have been some the least exciting for me, so I'm all for taking little detours. Especially after the last few HH books, which have been all about advancing the main story, often at the cost of fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have no problems with not advancing the story. The Heresy lasted what, 7 years? Thats alot of ground to cover and I welcome them doing so. What I have a problem with is books like Deliverance Lost, a book that crapped on the RG by making us look like buffoons and re-writing (in a bad way) the more interesting parts of the RG's Heresy history. Having the AL both spare us and then troll us was unforgivable. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitnam Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? That's a pretty unfair assesment of the book, especially given you havent read it. The problem is that it doesnt advance the story, it is well written however Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I picked up a copy at the May weekender and thoroughly enjoyed it. It certainly provides some insight into shattered legion dynamics and I didn't find is as hackneyed as suggested (although I did enjoy the comic exchanges here :) ) As to advancing the story, that depends on what you mean. If you want every book to follow a central, linear narrative, then no. However, BL stated that they wanted to avoid this approach back at the weekender. What you have here is a piece that is a side story that contributes to the greater whole. It follows on from Veritas Ferrum and interacts with a short story in Sedition's Gate. Which One you read first will have an impact on how you approach the second, but you can do it either way round ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 With this and "the traveller" annandale seems to be the resident HH horror writer It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is:Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best"Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!"Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive.IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!"RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all "Did I save anyone $45?When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? Something like that, only everybody dies at the end. It certainly is the most grimdark ending to a horus heresy book yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I picked up a copy at the May weekender and thoroughly enjoyed it. It certainly provides some insight into shattered legion dynamics and I didn't find is as hackneyed as suggested (although I did enjoy the comic exchanges here :) ) As to advancing the story, that depends on what you mean. If you want every book to follow a central, linear narrative, then no. However, BL stated that they wanted to avoid this approach back at the weekender. What you have here is a piece that is a side story that contributes to the greater whole. It follows on from Veritas Ferrum and interacts with a short story in Sedition's Gate. Which One you read first will have an impact on how you approach the second, but you can do it either way round ;) Okay so it is more like the short stories in Mark of Calth or Aurelian. Fully, Heresy-contained story. I actually want to see more of those considering the Heresy is a war that lasts seven years across the entire galaxy. There's a lot of room to fill. I mean, just look at all the things that have come out of Calth. And that's just one world, despite McNeill's efforts to make it only a year long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I read this book a few weeks back, having picked it up on holiday... I found the first third quite entertaining. I enjoyed my Iron Hands kicking ass, and a little development of human characters living with them. As the story progressed though I just got more and more frustrated and found it difficult to finish. I summarised it to a friend: Iron Hands are mean ! Salamanders are nice ! Iron Hands are still mean . Except this one . ..but if you all work together, you can really screw things up! (Also there may have been some Raven Guard?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 With this and "the traveller" annandale seems to be the resident HH horror writer It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? Something like that, only everybody dies at the end. It certainly is the most grimdark ending to a horus heresy book yet. Good god, spoilers man! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 As said by a few others, I liked the first 1/3 of the book.But the whole plot after they return was.. silly. At least there were big dinosaurs stomping stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 With this and "the traveller" annandale seems to be the resident HH horror writer It was supposed to help shed some light on the shattered Legions, or something like that. Guess that wasn't the case. Here's what I'm guessing he plot is: Tough guy Iron Hand: "You're a coward, mehtal is DA best" Sneaky Mksneakerson Raven Gaurd: "You're a tool you dumb crazy Iron Hand!" Plot dawdles along...they have a fight or two and realize they need each other to survive. IH: "You're not that bad, let's be friends!" RG: "Thanks for the bionic replacement for my (insert missing body part)! Maybe we can be friends after all " Did I save anyone $45? When's the next book by Sanders, Wraight, ADB, or Abnett out? Something like that, only everybody dies at the end. It certainly is the most grimdark ending to a horus heresy book yet. Good god, spoilers man! Sorry. I'll try not to spoil anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294003-damnation-of-pythosinitial-thoughts/#findComment-3751568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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