Ethrion Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 have you got a page number flint? i cannot find it in book 6 Same here. I read all of the previous discussion on pg 28 saying it was in book 6 but cannot find it in there either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The actual changes to LA:WE is in the new book that went up for pre-order today. The Changes to WE that are in book 6 is the new Black Shield Character who is a Loyalist WE and has his own version and Ghalan Surlak's additions to the World Eaters Ruleset alongside the Crimson Path RoW and how it changes things up. Caillum and Ethrion 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The actual changes to LA:WE is in the new book that went up for pre-order today. The Changes to WE that are in book 6 is the new Black Shield Character who is a Loyalist WE and has his own version and Ghalan Surlak's additions to the World Eaters Ruleset alongside the Crimson Path RoW and how it changes things up. Thanks very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temneb Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Looks good bro. Second 2000 list much better. Just remember if your planning on making the large tac squad inducti Khârn cannot go with them. If that's not your plan, then all good Why can't Khârn go with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Squads buffed by Surlak into inductiis no longer allow IC's to join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Except for apothecaries and primus medicae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Correct And thanks re-book info. I shall not be getting the new legion book for that one thing, that's pretty :cussy there will be no PDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I think I might just bite the bullet and get LEAOD, LACAL, and book 6. I don't have any of the books yet so that will give me all the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 LACAL will be updated within a couple of months, so I'd stick with the other 2 for now. Guiltysparc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Ah, i thought I read something about November 2016 for lacal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I think November is inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) I've had a few games using my world eaters now and have lost hard each time but have learned loads in the process. (I see it as quite World Eater-like actually...expending tons of lives to learn a basic lesson lol!) Anyway we play between 2500 and 3000 points at my LGS and have tuned my list now to roughly the following: Khârn Apothecary 18 Despoilers w/ vexilla in a Kharybdis 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 5 Red Butchers in an Anvillus Dual claw and grav Contemptor in Dreadnought Pod 4 Grav Landspeeders 7 Rampagers w/ 2 excoriator axes 5 Plasma Support in Rhino 5 Missile Heavy Support 5 Lascannon Heavy Support Caveats to the list are that I already use a spartan and eagle in my Emperor's Children list and wanted to try a different play style of dreadclaw drops. I know heavy support isn't 100% World Eater-like but I've been finding that I cannot rely on total footslogging and punching tanks to death (I just don't get there) I need a few shots to reach out and open rhinos before my marines hit the lines. And I really want to include the World Eater specific units because well...we should right? Anyone got any ideas for alterations that might do the same amount of damage but will maintain/increase fluffiness? I'm not married to the 2 heavy support units but for their points they plink away nicely at range. Grav speeders could always be swapped for another Anvillus with a cataphractii powerfist unit inside for more face punching. FYI I am always running the berzerker rite of war. I've read and learned so much from this thread already and any input would be much appreciated! Edited March 13, 2016 by Ethrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 LACAL will be updated within a couple of months, so I'd stick with the other 2 for now. It's certainly going to be later than that. We still need to get the Questoris/Militia/Auxilia red book, and I'm pretty sure Inferno will come before the LACAL book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temneb Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Really? I've not seen that yet. All the descriptions I've seen, say that the bonuses don't transfer to characters. Which is clearly different. It's not a massive deal for me, as I run Khârn with Rampagers. But that's harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 LACAL will be updated within a couple of months, so I'd stick with the other 2 for now. It's certainly going to be later than that. We still need to get the Questoris/Militia/Auxilia red book, and I'm pretty sure Inferno will come before the LACAL book. The updated LACAL was sent off to the printers shortly before the weekender. This comes from weekender attendees who were told as much by Alan Bligh (peace be upon him). We even have some details about the contents. Assault Squads are due for a price cut, and Breachers are inexplicably unchanged. I'm not sure what the basis for your certainty is, but the above information was discussed fairly widely during the weekender. The Questoris/Militia/Auxillia book should theoretically be released before LACAL, but LACAL is significantly further advanced than Inferno. The status of the books and presumable order of release as of the weekender was: Retribution: On sale at the event LEAOD: On sale in very limited numbers Questoris/Militia/Auxillia Book: Finished, being printed LACAL: Finished, sent to printers a few days earlier, release expected in a few months Inferno: Not finished, rules not finalised, release expected at the end of the year Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I've had a few games using my world eaters now and have lost hard each time but have learned loads in the process. (I see it as quite World Eater-like actually...expending tons of lives to learn a basic lesson lol!) Anyway we play between 2500 and 3000 points at my LGS and have tuned my list now to roughly the following: Khârn Apothecary 18 Despoilers w/ vexilla in a Kharybdis 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 5 Red Butchers in an Anvillus Dual claw and grav Contemptor in Dreadnought Pod 4 Grav Landspeeders 7 Rampagers w/ 2 excoriator axes 5 Plasma Support in Rhino 5 Missile Heavy Support 5 Lascannon Heavy Support Caveats to the list are that I already use a spartan and eagle in my Emperor's Children list and wanted to try a different play style of dreadclaw drops. I know heavy support isn't 100% World Eater-like but I've been finding that I cannot rely on total footslogging and punching tanks to death (I just don't get there) I need a few shots to reach out and open rhinos before my marines hit the lines. And I really want to include the World Eater specific units because well...we should right? Anyone got any ideas for alterations that might do the same amount of damage but will maintain/increase fluffiness? I'm not married to the 2 heavy support units but for their points they plink away nicely at range. Grav speeders could always be swapped for another Anvillus with a cataphractii powerfist unit inside for more face punching. FYI I am always running the berzerker rite of war. I've read and learned so much from this thread already and any input would be much appreciated! What about another kharybdis tac squad or butcher anvilus pod? Gives you more troops in enemy's face from the off. You could group the assault marines a s one unit then for more survivability and then just add in another anvilus with the plasma squad to give you 5 pods. Maybe look at swapping the heavy teams out for one of or both of the sicaran variants for some better long range efforts? How do you find the kharybdis? It is looking likely to be my next investment to drop Angron and despoilers in turn 1.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Really? I've not seen that yet. All the descriptions I've seen, say that the bonuses don't transfer to characters. Which is clearly different. It's not a massive deal for me, as I run Khârn with Rampagers. But that's harsh. Yeah it says on in the actual rule entry itself on surlaks page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I've had a few games using my world eaters now and have lost hard each time but have learned loads in the process. (I see it as quite World Eater-like actually...expending tons of lives to learn a basic lesson lol!) Anyway we play between 2500 and 3000 points at my LGS and have tuned my list now to roughly the following: Khârn Apothecary 18 Despoilers w/ vexilla in a Kharybdis 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 10 Assault Marines w/ 2 power axes, 1 melta bomb 5 Red Butchers in an Anvillus Dual claw and grav Contemptor in Dreadnought Pod 4 Grav Landspeeders 7 Rampagers w/ 2 excoriator axes 5 Plasma Support in Rhino 5 Missile Heavy Support 5 Lascannon Heavy Support Caveats to the list are that I already use a spartan and eagle in my Emperor's Children list and wanted to try a different play style of dreadclaw drops. I know heavy support isn't 100% World Eater-like but I've been finding that I cannot rely on total footslogging and punching tanks to death (I just don't get there) I need a few shots to reach out and open rhinos before my marines hit the lines. And I really want to include the World Eater specific units because well...we should right? Anyone got any ideas for alterations that might do the same amount of damage but will maintain/increase fluffiness? I'm not married to the 2 heavy support units but for their points they plink away nicely at range. Grav speeders could always be swapped for another Anvillus with a cataphractii powerfist unit inside for more face punching. FYI I am always running the berzerker rite of war. I've read and learned so much from this thread already and any input would be much appreciated! What about another kharybdis tac squad or butcher anvilus pod? Gives you more troops in enemy's face from the off. You could group the assault marines a s one unit then for more survivability and then just add in another anvilus with the plasma squad to give you 5 pods. Maybe look at swapping the heavy teams out for one of or both of the sicaran variants for some better long range efforts? How do you find the kharybdis? It is looking likely to be my next investment to drop Angron and despoilers in turn 1.. Thanks those are some great points. Another Kharybdis with despoiler squad would need me to find another 500 points from somewhere which is a problem. I had my assault marines grouped as one unit for my previous games and while they are cheaper as one they are a 460 point fire magnet that gets blown to pieces before they hit the enemy lines. Or by the time they do they have been whittled down to half strength. If I keep them as one unit I would definitely put a Primus Medicae in with them but then need to find more points for another despoiler squad as I have to have the extra compulsory slot. The Kharybdis being able to drop 20 marines right on the enemy is great. The inertial guidance system makes the world of difference compared to the Anvillus. Natural everything turns to blast it as soon as it lands but it's jobs been done before the enemy opens fire. Having Khârn and 18 despoilers charge out is dangerous enough but Angron and his devourers...that's even nastier! An earlier plan I had was for 20 despoilers to go in the Kharybdis, 20 Assault marines charge up the board and 20 infiltrate with the vigilator. It was just a way of getting the horde up close and personal faster without full drop pods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 You can't infiltrate units that don't have the rule. Were you thinking about Scout instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yeah I can imagine the kharybdis being a fire magnet but like you said, once it's delivers its cargo, big whoop. I'm curently trying to work it so I have Angron and despoiler squad in kharybdis as well as a leviathan dropping in turn 1 while a Spartan full of butchers and another with a large inducti squad race up the field. Proper hammer and anvil With everything I want it comes to 3100 points so need to chew some bits but it's so hard! What would you guys cur from this? I've already taken melta bombs and AA of sargents, maybe drop preator for a cheap consol? Get rid or surlak? Drop men from the tac squads? HELP ME! +++ I want all the toys (3135pts) +++ +LOW+ Angron (Bezerker assault) + HQ + Gahlan Surlak Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs, Power Fist] Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 17x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Fist] Legion Tactical Squad [Augmented Inductii, Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Fist] + Elites + The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] The Devoured [2x Chainfist] + Fast Attack + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod + Heavy Support + Legion Kharybdis Assault Claw Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Armoured Ceramite, Grav-flux Bombard, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Phosphex Discharger] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The Red Butchers don't need a Spartan necessarily - a Land Raider Phobos will save you some points... the Devoured can also save 5 points by taking 1 chainfist & 1 power fist. And yes, I'd take a Consul of some sort instead of the Praetor to find your last few points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 i feel like 5pts is a small price to pay for the cool factor of a double chainfisting model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yeah tweaking around I can keep the Spartan (ideally want to run 2 just for the physiologic factor) by just making the preator a standard centurian without any upgrades. It's a shame as I really wanted the preator with the butchers. I really think having that ap2 at initiative with the butchers makes so,much difference to them winning combats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolSkalatrax Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 swap praetor with Forgelord? re-rollable 2+ to wound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yeah rad nades are good, it's more the want of taking out other unwieldy before they have a chance to hit eg. Fists, hammers and axes as obviously they go at the same time as the butchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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