Guiltysparc Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Maybe save some points and give him a regular power weapon instead of the fist? Having all my AP better than 3 attacks going at I1 makes me nervous, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Lol Maybe a power maul or some such so I can ID me at I with rad nades... plus I tend to rely on forcing dice roles more than AP to win my combats as world eaters... Edited July 6, 2016 by Nova_chron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) So i've put in a couple games with my tournament list. It looks like this... 1850pts Khârn, Gorechild, Berserker Assault Surlak 15x Despoilers - Artificer/Power Fist Sargent, Vexilla 10x Tac Marines - Artificer Sargent, Rhino 10x Tac Marines - Artificer Sargent, Rhino 2x Javelin Speeder - Multimelta, Cyclone Missiles, 2x Hunter Killers Spartan - Flare Shield, AC Leviathan - Cyclonic Melta Lance, Snippy Claw, Phosphex, Flamers, AC, Drop Pod An important thing to note is that the tournament is a prmarily 40k event that allows 30k armies, so i expect to fight mostly 40k armies. Since i'll be at a model count disadvantage, every unit has a job and needs to do it well. So far, everything has performed pretty spectacularly in my play testing. The only thing i am looking at changing is the Javelins... My Javelin issues: 1 - Made of tin foil...AV 11/11/10 with 2Hp, i knew this going in and most of the time they kill whatever i sent them after before deiing a firery death, so they generally do their job unless... 2 - Reserve Woes...they are super flexibile in that they can deep strike or outlfank, which is great except when it doesn't work, lol. I am slightly concerned about fighting armies that manipulate reserves. I would normally not care too much since its just one unit, but on a 40k battlefield that one unit is 17% of my total army and when it languishes in reserve the army suffers. So, the two Javs in that configuration are 195pts. A sicaran with lascannons, a hunter killer missile, and dozer blade is also 195pts (or 180 with 15pts to spend on something other than the missile and dozer blade). The role that slot is filling is my anti-light armor so i did some mathhammering on the two units vs AV11, 12, 13 and it works out like this... 2x Javs - 5.0 glances on AV 11, 3.8 glances on AV12, 2.5 glances on AV13 Sicaran - 3.6 glances on AV 11, 2.6 glances on AV12, 1.2 glances on AV13 Clearly the javs put out more hurt, which i expected given the weapon loadout, but the Sicaran might be able to do it better since everything its shooting has a 48" range whereas the Javs needs to be within 24" to reach their full potential. The sicaran is certainlly tough and would provide better anti-air/anti-skimmer fire since you can't take jink saves against its cannon. It would also start on the board so i wouldn't impacted by reserve issues....but it would also start on the board along with 2x rhinos and a spartan so it would almost certainlly eat some turn 1 shooting after the rhinos pop. and yes, if you are wondering, setting up only 2 rhinos and a spartan opposite 1850pts of a 40k army is a bit nerve wracking... Anyway, thats my early morning rambling thoughts. Edited July 6, 2016 by Guiltysparc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Lol Maybe a power maul or some such so I can ID me at I with rad nades... plus I tend to rely on forcing dice roles more than AP to win my combats as world eaters... ID'ing mother:cussers with a maul after rad'ing them sounds pretty fun to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Hmm time to get a servo arm onto a catalog terminator it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Has anyone had much success running predator squadrons in support of berserker assault? I know the limitation can make it rough but I find I always feel like I'm lacking in fire support against my usuall opponents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 So, I played against some WE last Thursday. Who's that stupid Apothecary? He made Angron bloody invincible! Literally lost the game because I wasn't able to put enough wounds on him and his unit, and suffered a defeat of my own Primarch :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Ghalan Surlak is a book 6 Character who has a 4+ FNP. Combine that with Crimson Paths +1 To FNP and he dishes out a 3+ FNP. Great for Angron who also gets a +1 to IWND with the RoW. And, come on, if you let Angron Charge you or somehow got into combat with Angron, you were asking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 I didn't let him charge :-( I went in there for glory lol Ethrion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 I didn't let him charge :-( I went in there for glory lol Thats an equally Not-That-Great Move. Should have just shot Angron off the board and not potentially lock down your own Primarch Forever while also not risking Angron getting Bonus Attacks for killing your dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Lol I tried. I destroyed his Spartan on turn 1, then bombarded the squad with multiple units including Quad Rapiers for 3 turns... I think my list is lacking in str8 and/or ap2 shooting :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) For what its worth, Surlak doesn't help survivability any more than a vanilla primus medicae, but even still, that 4+ FnP is so strong Edited July 9, 2016 by Guiltysparc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Haha what are you going to use to shoot Angron off the table when he's got a 3+ FnP :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Lol I tried. I destroyed his Spartan on turn 1, then bombarded the squad with multiple units including Quad Rapiers for 3 turns... I think my list is lacking in str8 and/or ap2 shooting :-( I had Dorn and a Primus Medicae with Attached Terminators survive ~50+ wounds per Turn from Quad Mortar Batteries, getting bombarded three times (the two Iron Warrior Spartans succeeded in Exploding my 1), they then got Rapid Fire Charged by 2 20 man IW Tac Squads, hit by them in CC (I4 Dorn and Unwieldy Squad), survived, Won Combat by 7 (+D3 from Dorn), Swept one while the other got away only to get charged and swept the turn after, thus granting our side +5 VPs due to Warlord, 2 Points for wiping a unit out (1 each), 2 points for Sweeping (1 each) They're good for clearing Chaff but a 2+/3++/5+++ makes it hard to clear more so if you then slap a libby on in there for Psychic Powers; especially one like Prescience which might get that much better if the GW FAQ goes live with the "FNP is a save" bit which would let you reroll it in the right situations...sigh. Haha what are you going to use to shoot Angron off the table when he's got a 3+ FnP Possibly easiest would be to try and get Surlak first since he's the one making them so survivable. Going to be hard vs any savvy opponent but, if they're joined by Non-T5+ Dudes, then 3 Medusa's pummeling you with Large Blasts ought to thin the herd. Anything other than 2+ Templates to drown the unit in wounds (bonus points if they deny FNP to the chaff) is bound to wind up taking literally forever. BUT! After witnessing 10 Grave Wardens shoot 16 Poisoned 3+ Grenades into Corax, wounding 11 Times and causing 5 failed 2+ Saves (thus killing Corax), I wouldn't put it past the dice gods to spite you so. Edited July 10, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twizted86 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 So with the Mastodon coming this weekend, what's everyone thinking of it? Does this 700 point behemoth have a solid spot in a World Eaters list or are there better choices for that LOW spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 2 Spartans is cheaper, offers 2 targets and leaves l.o.w for Angron Likely to get one though just for rule if cool and to run it WITH my Spartans...! Twizted86 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 In our Apoc Games, we usually allow for players to take 1 additional LoW meaning we can run Primarch and Mastodon. Outside of that, the main attraction for this thing is that it can carry multiple units and dreads and you want/need to make use of that fact or else youre better off with 2 Spartans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twizted86 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Those are very valid points. I think I was pulled in by the "new shiny" toy. What do you prefer a second Spartan or a Kharybdis? My other transports are a Dreadclaw and a Phobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 A single spartan on its own is usually easily dealt with. Two is a rare occurrence and most people aren't equipped to deal with it. You couldn't go wrong with the 1-2 punch of OH HEY A SPART- OH MY GOD IS THAT A KHARYBDIS TOO!!?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Bros. New legion red book is out and chainaxes are +1 strength. Dear forgeworld, I never doubted you. Caillum, Billy Butcher, Allart01 and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Bros. New legion red book is out and chainaxes are +1 strength. Dear forgeworld, I never doubted you. Strengh 5, points-discounted assault marines with apots (fnp 4+ with the new row and exhortation to butchery)... And wait for it... Str. 6 Augmented Inductii! World Eaters may be one of the strongest Legions now Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) They're insane. They were focused on incredibly strong troops and FW just buffed the crap out of troops :D I'm definitely running ASMs. They mean I don't need to invest in Spartans so can free up mad points for a hammer hammerblow drop assault. Edited July 15, 2016 by The God-Potato of Mankind Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Absolute madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 A single spartan on its own is usually easily dealt with. Two is a rare occurrence and most people aren't equipped to deal with it. You couldn't go wrong with the 1-2 punch of OH HEY A SPART- OH MY GOD IS THAT A KHARYBDIS TOO!!?!?!?!?!?! Or run 2 Spartans AND a kharybdis like me ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I love that the Kharybdis got a point drop. Wish it could transport multiple units though, like a couple Dreads or some dudes and a Dread etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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