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I agree this is great work. But I also agree with the notion mentioned by some our fellows of single word runes, especially based on the basic image GW/BL gave us of Talos's helm. A single rune was written upon it. So if we, as thinking creatures, break down with common language what a "Soul Hunter" is, we can then create a commonality for words. Soul Hunter - Reaper. If my hypothesis holds true the singular rune would "roughly" translate to our word for reaper or something similar. So by using this train of logic, a rhino could be referred to as a coffin or box.

Please do not think I am trying to diminish the hard work of our fellow hobbyists. If you feel I'm wrong, please tell me so.

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

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Actually a reaper is a harvester, so funnily enough "farmer" would be closer than "hunter".

 

But this is ideally just for plain font. Of course, if I recall correctly, kanji is an alternate way of writing Japanese that involves using individual characters(don't trust me on that, my knowledge is extremely basic), so this could simply be the "kanji" of Nostraman.

 

Besides, it isn't like it's going to kill anyone. :P

Augustus b'Raass Venerable Brother

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I agree this is great work. But I also agree with the notion mentioned by some our fellows of single word runes, especially based on the basic image GW/BL gave us of Talos's helm. A single rune was written upon it. So if we, as thinking creatures, break down with common language what a "Soul Hunter" is, we can then create a commonality for words. Soul Hunter - Reaper. If my hypothesis holds true the singular rune would "roughly" translate to our word for reaper or something similar. So by using this train of logic, a rhino could be referred to as a coffin or box.

Please do not think I am trying to diminish the hard work of our fellow hobbyists. If you feel I'm wrong, please tell me so.

I posted the following over at the murderer's call thread a while ago, related to this subject:  

 

[...] the rune for soul hunter [on Talos' helmet] actually has three letters, and together they literally mean 'ender of lives and collector of essences', which roughly translates to 'soul hunter' (omnibus p.116)

 

My guess is that Nostraman combines letters into runes to form concepts, rather than combining symbols to make more complex symbols.

 
Augustus b'Raass Venerable Brother

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In other words, the meaning 'soul hunter' is already a 'dumbed down' version of the true meaning of the rune - which can only be truly understood within the Nostraman language - and culture. I don't think it is useful to 'dumb it down' any further and then translate that version, lest we get into arguments about 'farmer vs hunter'. When translating languages it's important to stay as true to the original meaning as possible

Noctem Cultor Venerable Brother

Noctem Cultor

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Id also like to point out that there can't have been to much thought behind the rune for just cover artwork. As the language is a very small part of the book how can we assume all basis were covered in the description of the language? 

 

Unless im missing a blog post on it.

 

I still think it might be worth Unofficially labelling meanings to the Forgeworld runes and other Official runes. These can follow the one rune for a word rules easily as certain words and names would likely have a unique rune.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad165/Liamgregg1988/Night%20Lord%20runes_zpszc22sppi.jpg

 

As I said before I believe the red rune should mark the Hunt, its written in blood almost like its a ritual mark or it could be one of many marks that is almost an oath of battle.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad165/Liamgregg1988/Red%20Rune_zpsbzcjbpkl.jpg

 

Personally I feel that a group of words associated with the Legion selected by members could easily be assigned.

Augustus b'Raass Venerable Brother

Augustus b'Raass

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You haven't missed anything! Also, there's several depictions of Talos with different runes. The cover art, for starters, but also for example the art by Shane Cook and David Sondered - both posted on ADBs blog. So we can't even be sure what it looks like. I'm impressed by some who took a genuine linguistical swing at deciphering Nostraman, but in the end it's a fictional language with WAY too few sources - and that is assuming AD-B took the trouble to make everything perfect - which would be a herculean effort in itself. In the end, we have to rely upon ourselves to make something that 'works' for us. As individual hobbyists - and if you as an individual hobbyist want to, as a community. That's what we're swinging for here, no? Reason I'm saying this is it was not at all my intention to rebuke others, but provide the community with the notes I took. :) I'm working on an incarnation of first claw and have just reread the trilogy, taking notes of every little detail about their appearance that I could find. Might as well share it so others could benefit! :tu:

Augustus b'Raass Venerable Brother

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Question to the Night Lords Community:

 

I've made an octanal-based numerical system. Should we keep it like this (original but difficult to use) or should I remake it into a decimal system (more common but easier to use)?

 

 

 

 

I've been scribbling on a possible Nostraman script. I thought it would be nice to alter the roman decimal system slightly by creating a system based on octanals instead of decimals. Counting goes like this:

  1. numeral 1 to 8 (8 functions like the 10 in the decimal and like the X in the roman system))
  2. then octanals of 8 (either 8 or (2-3 x 8)) + (numeral 1-8) until 31
  3. then 32 (which functions like the L in the roman system) as in 32 + (octanals in either 8 or (2-3 x 8)) + (numeral 1-8) until 63
  4. then 64s (which functions like the C in the roman system) as in (either 64 or (2-3 x 64)) + (octanals in either 8 or (2-3 x 8)) + (numeral 1-8) until 255
  5. then 256 (which functions like the D in the roman system)) as in 256 + step 1., 2., 3., and 4. until 511
  6. then 512s (which functions like the M in the roman system) as in 512 + 1., 2., 3., 4., and 5. 
  7. Multiples of 512 are given by simply stating the number of times you want to multiply it and 512 itself. Simple example 4x512. This limits this numerical system to 512x512=262,144, but that is more than enough for the barbaric society as Nostramo 

So the roman V is left out entirely and pre-numeral numerals do not substract from the base numeral but multiply it. For example, whereas in the roman numeral system a 1 before the 10 (IX) would mean 10minus1=9, in the Nostraman system a 3 before the 64 (3'64') wouldn't mean 64minus3=61, but 3times64=192.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad165/Liamgregg1988/AugustusbRaassNostramanRunicNumbers_zps0339d7de.jpg

 

 

Reason I'm asking is it's being made into the font Pirokoksik is working on.

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I personally think octanal one is more intresting (and kinda nice challenge for me)

I can always make 2 font types with different metrical system :D

join the murderers call, you can be our scribe. Murdering with quills and penning in blood :devil:

Conn Eremon Veteran

Conn Eremon

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I personally think octanal one is more intresting (and kinda nice challenge for me)

 

 

I can always make 2 font types with different metrical system :D

That would be great if you did do two, if you do make the octonal system. While I have to appreciate the thinking that went into it, it's not one I would utilize myself. It's going a bit too far, in my opinion.

 

But I'll only really be using the font for an eventual article(s) for my Night Lords, so I wouldn't be too bothered either way.

Conn Eremon Veteran

Conn Eremon

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I found about half a dozen pages in Massacre with Nostraman symbols doing a flip through just now. Not sure if I grabbed them all, but I wrote down the page numbers so I can scan the images in later tonight. if anyone else wants to take a look, maybe take some higher quality pictures/scans, the pages are:

 

96, 102, 104, 105, 108, 109 & 238.

 

Some of those pages have multiple examples. I was actually expecting more, but it looks like they placed more attention on Colchisian runes than Nostraman. Understandable, as they're not as notable in the lore.

Pirokoksik Battle-Brother

Pirokoksik

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I found about half a dozen pages in Massacre with Nostraman symbols doing a flip through just now. Not sure if I grabbed them all, but I wrote down the page numbers so I can scan the images in later tonight. if anyone else wants to take a look, maybe take some higher quality pictures/scans, the pages are:

96, 102, 104, 105, 108, 109 & 238.

Some of those pages have multiple examples. I was actually expecting more, but it looks like they placed more attention on Colchisian runes than Nostraman. Understandable, as they're not as notable in the lore.

I`d love to. It would be useful :)

join the murderers call, you can be our scribe. Murdering with quills and penning in blood devil.gif

where do I sing up :D ?

Conn Eremon Veteran

Conn Eremon

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Okay, better late than never. I've gone through and grabbed a snapshot of every image of Nostraman runes I could find. What I did was scan the pages as single page PDFs, then zoomed in and used the snipping tool to grab the important bits. Sorry, it won't be the best quality, but they turned out better than what my phone was able to do.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ciRMp1T.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/EwQ5Ffa.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/OQYIj6G.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/WJd2wWT.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/4TDBXut.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/O9mBjld.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/EOMOJZx.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/IwvmBJS.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/tn7QdYQ.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/Qf3blPG.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/9K4VFj1.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/FzIxR3b.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/kfSTsUX.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/Q5xmFIb.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/5D4zhC1.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/V5trG6r.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/cxtLd2n.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/PQpF7Ns.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/qP3SalL.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/X5g04iB.png

Chronotonic Venerable Brother

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guys I think we are doing the alphabet wrong here and are just basing this off the english language

 

ie 26 letters

 

http://i.imgur.com/O9mBjld.png

 

here is their alphabet a-z and everything in between...but the catch is it may not be in order

 

do you see that logic 

 

...5th rune first row pops up a lot also on the 5th row 3rd rune

 

but it may be a high A and the second one would be a low A thus meaning different things but using the same symbol and you can only tell the difference with someone who uses the language or in context of the sentence...

Noctem Cultor Venerable Brother

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Thanks Conn!

 

Issue with us guessing that those are in an Alphabet reference which we discussed is actually an unlikely set up for Nostroman (but an Alphabet is easier to work with) is that some times the Runes appear by themselves. Id feel pretty stupid having a Blood Angel walking around with a K just randomly placed on his armour, so we have to assume these stand for words and unless we are officially told otherwise guess what they mean.

Only other thing I can think of is to find out who the artist is an email them to see if they gave the runes meanings at all.

Pirokoksik Battle-Brother

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Okay, better late than never. I've gone through and grabbed a snapshot of every image of Nostraman runes I could find. What I did was scan the pages as single page PDFs, then zoomed in and used the snipping tool to grab the important bits. Sorry, it won't be the best quality, but they turned out better than what my phone was able to do.

http://i.imgur.com/ciRMp1T.png

http://i.imgur.com/EwQ5Ffa.png

http://i.imgur.com/OQYIj6G.png

http://i.imgur.com/WJd2wWT.png

http://i.imgur.com/4TDBXut.png

http://i.imgur.com/O9mBjld.png

http://i.imgur.com/EOMOJZx.png

http://i.imgur.com/IwvmBJS.png

http://i.imgur.com/tn7QdYQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/Qf3blPG.png

http://i.imgur.com/9K4VFj1.png

http://i.imgur.com/FzIxR3b.png

http://i.imgur.com/kfSTsUX.png

http://i.imgur.com/Q5xmFIb.png

http://i.imgur.com/5D4zhC1.png

http://i.imgur.com/V5trG6r.png

http://i.imgur.com/cxtLd2n.png

http://i.imgur.com/PQpF7Ns.png

http://i.imgur.com/qP3SalL.png

http://i.imgur.com/X5g04iB.png

Wow I really love it biggrin.png

There`s no problem to start over and work on those runes instead. For now, based on those pictures, I can prepare vector versions, and I`ll leave it up to you guys to decide which rune means what, or just find out asking author smile.png

Also as I mento=ioned in private conversation, symbold that might just not represent any letter, can be assed to as special symbol msn-wink.gif

*takes quills and scrolls out and write like mad*

Augustus b'Raass Venerable Brother

Augustus b'Raass

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WOW Con Eremon: that's awesoem that you took all that effort to do this! Thanks!

 

guys I think we are doing the alphabet wrong here and are just basing this off the english language

 

ie 26 letters

 

http://i.imgur.com/O9mBjld.png

 

here is their alphabet a-z and everything in between...but the catch is it may not be in order

 

do you see that logic 

 

...5th rune first row pops up a lot also on the 5th row 3rd rune

 

but it may be a high A and the second one would be a low A thus meaning different things but using the same symbol and you can only tell the difference with someone who uses the language or in context of the sentence...

Hi Capitano, could you elaborate a little? There's 35 runes on that picture, yet you mention 26 alphabet letters? Explain yourself, mortal! ;)

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