Bartali Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Some initial thoughts from a jump list prospective. With the best will in the world ASM couldn’t punch their way out of a paper bag. With the ability to take two specials at 5 man and the Sarge having two pistols, they’ve found their niche. It’s a shame they’ve gone out of troops, but with six cheap five man squads wandering around with four Melta shots each , we’d be bordering on broken. ASM do compete with Grav Bikes in the Fast Slot, and if anything this slot feels more restrictive than the elites slot. Ideally I’d like 2-3 Grav Bike units, and 2-3 Melta ASM units (without going double detachment). Stormravens in the fast slot too, although I’ve never particularly liked those. I’ve never really played with DC much. In 5th ed I didn’t like they couldn’t be controlled, and the price of jump packs was too high. In 6th and early 7th I didn’t like that they couldn’t score (and the jump pacs still the same). In they new dex they’re controllable, can score, have 3pt Jump Packs and can take 3-4 squads of 15. Likewise Sanguinary Guard. I bought a box back at 5th ed launch, but never used them - far too expensive for what they offered. Now they’re much cheaper, can be taken in blocks of ten. Crucially, when they don’t have a inv save, they have +1I back and can hit before other marines. I think DC are now very strong, with the Sang Guard better than before, but perhaps not quite as good as DC. With these two units, and 5 man ASM flying around with double specials, I don’t think jump BA have ever been stronger. I think my lists are going to focus around a block of 15 DC led by Astorath, with everything else being MSU – DC, Sang Guard, Grav Bikers, Melta ASM. It’s a shame though that the two troop requirement is still there in the new detachment, and I still haven’t got my head around what I’m going to do with those two troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ugh, no more Telepathy or Telekinesis :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairojin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ugh, no more Telepathy or Telekinesis Don't know if I missed it somewhere but do we know what disciplines librarians get? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yah, strong jumpers got better, it's just a shame you are forced to have at least one unit without packs in a jump pack list (the named dread from deathstorm). But he can still ride a raven, that'd be his jump pack. The loadout in Rafen's squad is far from optimal too...But they fit in the same raven with the dread The Stormraven stayed Heavy Support though, didn't it?...that rumor only lived like 5-10 posts, no? (it was short-lived like that ) Edit: Loss of Invisibility hurts, but at least now you can focus on biomancy and not feel guilty about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ugh, no more Telepathy or Telekinesis :( Don't know if I missed it somewhere but do we know what disciplines librarians get? Libby powers Sanguinary Biomancy Daemonology Divination Pyromancy From page 78 on here mate. Yah, strong jumpers got better, it's just a shame you are forced to have at least one unit without packs in a jump pack list (the named dread from deathstorm). But he can still ride a raven, that'd be his jump pack. The loadout in Rafen's squad is far from optimal too...But they fit in the same raven with the dread :) The Stormraven stayed Heavy Support though, didn't it?...that rumor only lived like 5-10 posts, no? (it was short-lived like that :) ) Edit: Loss of Invisibility hurts, but at least now you can focus on biomancy and not feel guilty about it. Yea storm raven in heavy from what I have read and buy Cassor a fast attack drop pod is another option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If a unit from one codex[lets say GK] deep strikes in BA rhino in an army where Dante is warlord, does it get DoA or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Just a quick one: We heard early on that Dante strikes at initiative with a S6 AP2 weapon. Is this confirmed? Or is it still technically unwieldy because it's an axe. And is it the same for Sang Guard? AP3 Master crafted swords (at I value) or Axes (striking last). Edit: Had Dante Confirmed by Mort's awesome rumour bet thread, anything on the boys in Gold? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Dante's Axe has its own profile, just as power axes do, and apparently his axe is not unwieldily, regardless of it being an axe (it could be a giant dildo, what matters is the profile), so let's rejoice. SG weaponry seems to be the same. Edit: The same as they were, not the same as Dante's :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Is there anything new about the Angels Encarmine at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 BA Rhino gets Deep Strike.. how? Meant to say Drop Pod? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If a unit from one codex[lets say GK] deep strikes in BA rhino in an army where Dante is warlord, does it get DoA or not? BA Rhino gets Deep Strike.. how? Meant to say Drop Pod? And I think the answer is no - only skimmers and jump units IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The Flesh Tearer formation, that in the codex? If not where is it from? I am guessing the Tacs lose objective secured? Could be quite fluffy for my Flesh Eaters y'see ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 And I think the answer is no - only skimmers and jump units IIRC.Does Dante reduce scatter on deep strike or does he enable deep strike with less scatter distance for those unit types? The latter would (maybe) allow stormravens to deep strike again - in hover mode they are fast skimmers after all. I guess this is wishful thinking though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 And I think the answer is no - only skimmers and jump units IIRC.Does Dante reduce scatter on deep strike or does he enable deep strike with less scatter distance for those unit types? The latter would (maybe) allow stormravens to deep strike again - in hover mode they are fast skimmers after all. I guess this is wishful thinking though. Stormravens are flyers, not fast skimmers. I believe you've been reading a very old codex ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The Flesh Tearers Formation looks fluffy enough for me as it represents the low number count of the chapter by being almost half a Company. It strikes me as odd though that no DC is included. Also, can anyone tell me if there is a Chapter Master entry in the Codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 there is no chapter master entry. just a codex. i may have to build me some flesh tearers and use that formation and then build me some lamenters and use malakhim phoros :D 3 Blood angel detachments - Dante leads one, Malakhim leads another and Seth leads the last. Glorious IN DEFENSE OF BAAL! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Also, can anyone tell me if there is a Chapter Master entry in the Codex? I don't have the dex, but if there was a generic CM included we would've heard by now. Wolves didn't get a generic Great Wolf either, only Logan. I think BA are stuck with Dante and Seth as CM options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Also, can anyone tell me if there is a Chapter Master entry in the Codex? I don't have the dex, but if there was a generic CM included we would've heard by now. Wolves didn't get a generic Great Wolf either, only Logan. I think BA are stuck with Dante and Seth as CM options. and Malakhim Phoros! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Heart two conflicting rumors for Storm Raven, Fast and Heavy slot. I really hope it's heavy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Heart two conflicting rumors for Storm Raven, Fast and Heavy slot. I really hope it's heavy. Confirmed as heavy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I really love how fluffy the Flesh Tearer formation is.. Half a battle company led by first company veterans because the chapter is few in numbers of marines and captains.. If I had a Flesh Tearer army I'd be very happy with this. Extra +1I on the charge, the whole formation ignores disorderly charge bonuses.. Lovey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Stormravens are flyers, not fast skimmers. I believe you've been reading a very old codex ;-) No, the key phrase there is "in hover mode". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Now that I think about it, there was a mention in the GW codex description of a new successor chapter, the Carmine Blades. Any word on this from anyone with the dex?...is there only fluff for them or did they get any characters?...I'm guessing nothing but fluff, or we'd know by now. But asking is free :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Also, can anyone tell me if there is a Chapter Master entry in the Codex? I don't have the dex, but if there was a generic CM included we would've heard by now. Wolves didn't get a generic Great Wolf either, only Logan. I think BA are stuck with Dante and Seth as CM options. Yeah but SW have Wolf Lords which come fairly close to Chapter Masters and If I recall they still have the wolf guard battle leaders which are similar to captains. It would be so easy to add a CM option to the BA codex for those who want succesors or DIY chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Do the formation's rules still apply if you add units to it? Like a Chapter Master.,.? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/80/#findComment-3886560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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