The NEW "What will 2014 Bring?" thread

[ElectricPaladin]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

No, you only get one Warlord Trait. A character with a set Warlord Trait doesn't roll for a second.

[TheHarrower]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

No, you only get one Warlord Trait. A character with a set Warlord Trait doesn't roll for a second.

For some reason in my round up on my blog I have written he gets more than one. Didn't someone say something about reserve manipulation with him or something like that?

[Pascalnz]

dante gets another one:).. he gets to roll on the tactical table as well as keep his DOA trait, ding ding.... he's such a boss:)

[ElectricPaladin]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

No, you only get one Warlord Trait. A character with a set Warlord Trait doesn't roll for a second.

For some reason in my round up on my blog I have written he gets more than one. Didn't someone say something about reserve manipulation with him or something like that?

Not that I saw. Unless the Descent of Angels Warlord Trait does that. The old Descent of Angels army-wide rule did.

[TheHarrower]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

No, you only get one Warlord Trait. A character with a set Warlord Trait doesn't roll for a second.

For some reason in my round up on my blog I have written he gets more than one. Didn't someone say something about reserve manipulation with him or something like that?

Not that I saw. Unless the Descent of Angels Warlord Trait does that. The old Descent of Angels army-wide rule did.

Here's what I'm talking about: Dante is about the same price he was before, he also gains a tactical objective trait along with descent of angels... which, works on anything coming from reserves... like...drop pods:D, terms every darn thing gets to only scatter d6 and reroll failed reserve attempts.

[ElectricPaladin]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

No, you only get one Warlord Trait. A character with a set Warlord Trait doesn't roll for a second.

For some reason in my round up on my blog I have written he gets more than one. Didn't someone say something about reserve manipulation with him or something like that?

Not that I saw. Unless the Descent of Angels Warlord Trait does that. The old Descent of Angels army-wide rule did.

Here's what I'm talking about: Dante is about the same price he was before, he also gains a tactical objective trait along with descent of angels... which, works on anything coming from reserves... like...drop pods:D, terms every darn thing gets to only scatter d6 and reroll failed reserve attempts.

I hear you. It sounds like Dante gets...

• Descent of Angels warlord trait, which is now everything that Deep Strikes for any reason only scatters 1d6, and also reroll all Reserves rolls.
• Also he gets another Tactical Objective trait.

[TheHarrower]

dante gets another one:).. he gets to roll on the tactical table as well as keep his DOA trait, ding ding.... he's such a boss:)

 

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[Pascalnz]

yeah, I got a little excited about the less scatter, it's only skimmer and jump  that get the less scatter.

 

Dante's free tactical roll is part of a big sentence which says , if you are using with the tactical missions he also gets to roll tactical warlord traits table

[knife&fork]

That's awesome

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot.

Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it?

And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks!

His other is Tactical Precision, fluffy for him if you ask me and can be handy.

If you are playing a game with Tactical objectives, you roll on the tactical traits table before deploying your first unit.

He gets this in addition to his other Warlord Trait.

Lookwise its a mix, there is quite a bit new art work and it looks great, profiles are all now the models themselves and its set out like the ork codex so lack luster there but thats because 90% of use prefer the old load out.

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Doing a little list writing when I noticed this.

The BA relics are nice for the most part and are reasonably costed even if we don't have one for eternal warrior, downside though is we can only take in the whole army, not per model, per army.

So this means not jet pack and sword combo (jet pack is best in my eyes)

 

 

Sad times people.

[Mortez]

Is it true that Tac and AS can no longer get RB as a Dedicated Transport? Someone who apparently has the Codex said on Dakkadakka that only Vets get it now as a Dedicated Transport, need a conformation on this.

[TheHarrower]

Is it true that Tac and AS can no longer get RB as a Dedicated Transport? Someone who apparently has the Codex said on Dakkadakka that only Vets get it now as a Dedicated Transport, need a conformation on this.

 

If it is I will punch a baby.

[knife&fork]

Plenty of big, punchable babies over at warseer :)

[JamesI]

Is it true that Tac and AS can no longer get RB as a Dedicated Transport? Someone who apparently has the Codex said on Dakkadakka that only Vets get it now as a Dedicated Transport, need a conformation on this.

I heard that AS can not take Razs, did not hear that about Tacs.  Of course, I think Rhinos and Razorbacks are fast choices now and I doubt I will use most of my Fasts unless I horde Attack Bikes.

[TheHarrower]

Plenty of big, punchable babies over at warseer

Tell them to get in line!

[TheHarrower]

Alright Brothers. Here's my final compiled rumor dump: http://dedard.blogspot.com/2014/12/final-blood-angels-rules-dump.html Big thanks to Pascalnz and Duke Danse Macabre for the Q and A. This isn't 100% accurate, but should be pretty close. I'll repost it here.

 

 

 

Army Special Rules:

Furious Charge

 

FOC:

HQ: Librarian Dreadnought

Troops: Tactical Squads, Scout Squads

Elites: Death Company, Dreadnoughts (Death Company and Furioso), Command Squad (Honour Guard are gone)

Fast: Stormraven (screenshot from Black Library doesn't show this listed, so this may be a mistake)

Heavy Support: Baal Predator

 

Baal Strike Force Detachment:

Mandatory 1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1 Elite,

Optional: 1 HQ, 4 Troops, 3 Elite, 3 Fast, 3 Heavy

Special Rule: +1 Initiative when charging, all the army, any turn.

 

Warlord Traits: 

1. Red Rampage: Warlord gets Rampage.

2. Speed of the Primarch. Warlord gets +1 Initiative.

3. Artisan of War: One of the warlord's weapons is mastercrafted.

4. Soulwarden: Warlord gets Adamantium will.

5. Descent of Angels. D6 less scatter for jump and skimmer units.

6. Heroic Bearing: Warlord has a 12" Fearless bubble.

 

Psychic Powers:

Primaris: Blessing. +D3 to Attacks and Initiative to Psyker or target character at 12”.

1. Malediction. Target unit at 12" takes a Moral test with -2 penalty.

2. Blessing. Target unit at 18" gets Rage. If they had already that rule, they get +1 Attack instead.

3. Blessing. Psyker and his unit get 5++.

4. Focussed witch fire. Target makes 2 Toughness tests. Take one Wound for each failed test. If target dies, place 5" blast with S4 and AP5.

5. Beam. 12" S8, AP1 Lance

6. Blessing. Target infantry unit, moves 12" in the psychic phase. No charging after this movement.

 

Relics:

1. One jump pack that allows the bearer and his unit re-roll when Deepstriking and when other units Intercept must fire Snapshots. Cost: 25 points.

2. Gives Fear, and fear tests are done with -2 Leadership. Cost: 10 points.

3. One item that gives an additional warlord trait strategic table. Cost: 15 points.

4. One physic weapon +2S, AP4, bearer may re-roll 1s in the psychic phase. If rerolled die is a 1, bearer takes one wound. No saves allowed. Cost: 10 points.

5. One Master-crafted plasma pistol, that does not get hot. Points: 25

6. One AP2 power sword. Cost: 25 points.

 

Characters:

• Dante: LoW. Eternal Warrior, Hit and Run. Axe is +2S, AP2, Mastercraft, and strikes at Initiative. Deathmask causes a 12” Fear bubble where any unit in range and in close combat must test. No longer unlocks Sanguinary Guard as Troops. If playing with Tactical Objectives can also roll on that table in addition to keeping Descent of Angels. 220 points

• Seth: LoW. Lost his special attack, but now does +1 hit for each 6 to wound. 155 points

• Mephiston: HQ. WS6 BS5 S5 T5 W3 I5 A4 L10 2+ Special Rules: Furious Charge, Independent Character, Fleet, And They Shall Know No Fear, Hypnotic Trance: Roll 2D6 in a challenge. If you roll equal to or above their Leadership Mephiston hits on a 2+. Warlord trait: Admantium Will. Level 3 Pskyer w/ unique blessing giving him S10. Sword is AP3. 175 points

• The Sanguinor: Pretty much the same with a 4++. Rerolls to hit and to wound rolls in challenges. Not an Independent Character. 200 points

• Corbulo: HQ. WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 L10 3+ And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Independent Character. Bolt Pistol, Narthecium (Feel No Pain to unit), Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour. Relics: Heaven's Teeth (+1S AP– Melee, Rending) Red Grail (+1 WS +1 Initiative to all units within 6". Does not stack with Blood Chalice). Far-seeing Eye: One reroll per game for one of the following: Seize Initiative, Reserves, Scatter, To Hit, To Wound, Save. 120 points

• Astorath: Warlord Trait Admantium Will. Axe is +1S AP2 Unwieldy. On a 6 to hit auto wounds and causes Instant Death. Allows Death Company to reroll hits and wounds on charge. 155 points

• Lemartes: Can only join Death Company and takes an Elite slot. 2W. When loses a wound gains +1S and A. 130 points

• Tycho: No longer ignores armour saves. Combi-melta can no longer use special ammo but is master crafted. 130 points

• DC Tycho: Feel No Ppain, Relentless, Fearless, Rage. Can only join Death Company. Points: 145

• Captain: Has options for Artificer Armour and Relic Blades. Same as Codex: Space Marines with Furious Charge. 90 points

• Librarian Dreadnought: HQ. Mastery Level 1. Can upgrade to Mastery Level 2 for 25 points. Furioso Force Halberd counts as a Powerfist with Force, but its not a Specialist Weapon so no additional attack. Can replace Stormbolter with Heavy Flamer or Meltagun. Can be the Warlord but can only roll on Blood Angel Warlord Traits. Same stats as a normal dreadnought with AV 13 in the front. WS5. Can take Drop Pod as Dedicated Transport.

• Chaplain: Same as Codex: Space Marines with Furious Charge. 90 points

• Sanguinary Priest: 1 per HQ slot. WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 L9 3+ And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Independent Character.  Chainsword, Narthecium (Feel No Pain to unit), Frag and Krak Grenades, Blood Chalice (+1 WS to unit). Can buy a Bike, but no longer has access to Terminator Armour. Can’t purchase Artificer Armour either. May take a Bolt Pistol for +1 point and upgrades from Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, Special Wargear, and Relics of Baal. 60 points

• Librarian: Same as Codex: Space Marines with Furious Charge. Chooses powers from Sanguinary, Biomancy, Daemonology, Divination, or Pyromancy. 

• Tech Marine: HQ. 50 points

• Reclusiarchs are gone. :(

 

Units:

• No new units. Terminators and Librarian are separate kits.

• No access to Storm Talon or Centurions.

• Tactical Squad: Usual options from Codex: Space Marines plus grav weapons. They do have access to Flakk missiles. 5 man squad can take 1 heavy or 1 special. Sergeant can dual wield pistols. Now have access to Auspex. Rhino, Razorback, or Drop Pod as Dedicated Transport.

• Furioso: WS5, BS4, 2 attacks base, AV13. Same cost as before. Blood Talons are +10 points and give Shred. Magna-grapple replaces smoke launchers for free. Fragcannon now costs 5 points with same stats as before.

• Death Company Dreadnought: DC Dread is WS4, BS4, 3 attacks base, AV 12

• Honour Guard are gone. Honour Guard replaced by Command Squad.

• Command Squad: 3 Veterans, 1 Champion, 1 Novitiate w/ Narthecium. Can take 3 specials. Can upgrade to Jump Packs for +25 points. 100 points

• Vanguard Veterans cannot assault after Deep Strike.

• Death Company: Furious Charge, Fearless, Relentless, Feel No Pain, Rage. Cannot reroll to wound rolls if a Chaplain is in the unit (that is now Astaroth’s ability). No options for Terminator Armour. WS dropped to 4. Jump Packs are +3 points per model. No limit on how many melee or pistol weapons you upgrade (but no access to grav). Max 15 per squad. Can have multiple squads.

• Blood Chalice: +1 WS. No longer a bubble just affects the unit.

• Predator Annihilator/Destructor and Vindicator can upgrade to Fast for +10 points.

• Land Raider: Only a Dedicated Transport for Terminators.

• Tactical/Sternguard Squad: Gain access to Heavy Flamer (max 2 per unit).

• Terminators: Access to a banner which allows reroll of failed morale and pinning tests within a 12” bubble for +5 points. Chapter Banner same as it used to be.

• Bikes: Same as Codex: Space Marines. Do have access to grav-guns.

• Assault Marines: 2 special weapons per squad. Sergeants can carry 2 pistols. Free Drop Pod or Rhino if Jump Packs removed. 5 assault marines w/ 2 meltaguns and 2 infernus pistols in a drop pod costs 135 points! Cannot take a Razorback as a Dedicated Transport.

• Scouts: Same as Codex: Space Marines with Furious Charge. No access to the Landspeeder Storm.

• Baal Predator: No longer has Scout. No torrent for Flamestorm Cannon. Under Heavy Support now. 115 points

• Rhino: Still Fast. 45 points

• Razorback: Still Fast. Upgrade to Heavy Flamer for free. Upgrade to heavy weapon +20 points. 65 points

• Stormraven: Same as Codex: Space Marines. Bloodstrike Missiles replaced with Stormstrike Missiles.

• Sanguinary Guard: 165 points for 5 models. +33 points per additional model with a max squad size of 10. Upgrade to Deathmasks for +1 point to cause fear. Glaive Encarmines are the same.

 

I also did my last update on the the compiled mega post with all the pics and stuff here: http://dedard.blogspot.com/2014/12/blood-angels-compiled-mega-post.html At this point I'm REALLY liking what I see and I'm content now to just wait for the Codex this weekend. Looking forward to flipping through this sucker and trying to figure out some lists!

[bushman101]

Got my DeathStorm box in the mail! Time to finally give the 7th ed rules a full read.

 

Codex is out on the 13th, correct?

[Drunken Angel]

Is it true that Tac and AS can no longer get RB as a Dedicated Transport? Someone who apparently has the Codex said on Dakkadakka that only Vets get it now as a Dedicated Transport, need a conformation on this.

 

 

Tactical squads can get the Razorback as DT.  Assault squads cannot  take a Razor.  A 5 man Assault Squad can take 2 meltaguns and a free dropod or Rhino if they remove their jump packs.

Got the Codex writing lists and playing now

Librarians cannot take Telepathy damn damn damn

Happy to answer questions till I start rolling dice, first up Eldar

[knife&fork]

Is the frag cannon still a template weapon?

 

Can all BA librarians take pyromancy?

 

How about storm shields on assault sergeants?

[Firepower]

Your Chaplain costs 50 points....

 

So.  Much.  Hate.

 

Edit- Seriously.  Lots and lots of hate.

 

Edit 2- Haaaaaaaaate!

 

Edit 3- See Edits 1 and 2.

 

Edit 4- Maybe now they'll finally be able to sell that ridiculous Chaplain/Command Squad/Razorback bundle?  Also, hate.

[Drunken Angel]

Is the frag cannon still a template weapon?

 

Can all BA librarians take pyromancy?

 

How about storm shields on assault sergeants?

 

Frag Cannon=Template S6 AP- rending Assault 2

 

Libby powers

Sanguinary

Biomancy

Daemonology

Divination

Pyromancy

 

Tact Sgts and Assault Sgts get combat shields only

VV vets get Storm shields 

Rolling dice will look in in a hour or so

[ThatOneMarshal]

With all these excellent rules going around I wonder if I should stop my templars and do blood angels again.

[Morticon]

With all these excellent rules going around I wonder if I should stop my templars and do blood angels again.

 

Welcome back!!! :D 

[Morticon]

Just to double check here, i read that the Sanguinor is the cost of a Raven - Harrower has him listed as cost of a Land Raider?  Don't think id pay a landraider for his abilities :/  A raven, however!