Pascalnz Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 it's been back since the codex, now... gosh darn, it's going to be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Must be something wrong with me, I would feel bad using all that free gear on the VV and the Sternies!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 To be fair the detachment doesn't get +1I on the charge....but no one cares, because free lewt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Power weaponz 4 dayz!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_f Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Can the archangel sanguine wing formation also arrive from turn 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't understand why GW does such broken stuff. It doesn't make sense. 2 VVs with free power weapons/claws is insane. Then in that same formation there's a stern guard squad with free combi-all. The only tax is a raven that needs to transport the stern guard, which might not be optimal, but it's a good unit for a skies of fury thing with loads of plasma / melta. This is insane. Detachments and formations letting you play the army you want with a cool rule or two is fine, but a 400 point gift is just utterly unbalanced. The 3 raven 3 tac is bad enough, but at least it's expensive due to composition, so not many people will take it. But so much free stuff is just stupid. As somebody else mentioned, I'd feel guilty for using that (except in a tourney, then anything goes...you bring Paskunisher and 3 wyverns?...fine ) The FT detachment is nice though, I'd rather have +1I, and it still has a 1 troop tax (flamer tacs I guess ), but it lets you run loads of jumpers and I like that! That is what I'll use most of the whole book, unless I somehow end up playing competitively in a format that allows any of the broken formations. In that case nothing is sacred, everything is permitted Does the FT detachment give anything to units that already have Rage when a 10+ is rolled? 10 in 2d6 is what, 1/6? For all comers +1I is nicer. Against low-I, high-count armies (nids, orks, guard), 1/6 Rage wins the day. PS: Thanks Pascalz for sating our thirst!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well this is just the buff to vanguard veterans I cannot ignore! I started building/painting these guys over 2 years ago before the power weapon changes and now with a small overhaul I think I will have to devote some time to finish them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 one thing to remember however, is that those vv's do not get +1 ini of charging.... which is actually a fairly big loss. is the chance to have all power weapons all the time, with a heap of storm shields great.... yes:). but it isn't just better in every conceivable way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't understand why GW does such broken stuff. It doesn't make sense. 2 VVs with free power weapons/claws is insane. Then in that same formation there's a stern guard squad with free combi-all. The only tax is a raven that needs to transport the stern guard, which might not be optimal, but it's a good unit for a skies of fury thing with loads of plasma / melta. This is insane. Detachments and formations letting you play the army you want with a cool rule or two is fine, but a 400 point gift is just utterly unbalanced. The 3 raven 3 tac is bad enough, but at least it's expensive due to composition, so not many people will take it. But so much free stuff is just stupid. As somebody else mentioned, I'd feel guilty for using that (except in a tourney, then anything goes...you bring Paskunisher and 3 wyverns?...fine ) The FT detachment is nice though, I'd rather have +1I, and it still has a 1 troop tax (flamer tacs I guess ), but it lets you run loads of jumpers and I like that! That is what I'll use most of the whole book, unless I somehow end up playing competitively in a format that allows any of the broken formations. In that case nothing is sacred, everything is permitted Does the FT detachment give anything to units that already have Rage when a 10+ is rolled? 10 in 2d6 is what, 1/6? For all comers +1I is nicer. Against low-I, high-count armies (nids, orks, guard), 1/6 Rage wins the day. PS: Thanks Pascalz for sating our thirst!! None of the mentioned detachments and formations come anywhere close to broken. Maybe in a casual setting they might make an impact. But I do not see any of those affect any higher sort of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Maybe I'm overreacting...but honestly, if somebody comes and tells me his formation gave him 20 free power swords and 10 free combiplasmas I'd freak out :) I guess the tax is having the sternguard in the raven instead of a pod, and the VVs entering play by regular deepstrike for jumpers, which sucks. Gives you free stuff, makes you play sub-optimally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Not saying it is bad. Free stuff is always great. But those are still glass cannons. Hit or miss. What I am lacking from all of those formations is ease of use and reliablilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 "What's that? My tri-raven uber charge formation is too expensive you say? Not with my free power weapons, you schmoes!!!"* *quad-raven rofl-stompage ensues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 "What's that? My tri-raven uber charge formation is too expensive you say? Not with my free power weapons, you schmoes!!!"* *quad-raven rofl-stompage ensues It would become a quad-Raven list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 "What's that? My tri-raven uber charge formation is too expensive you say? Not with my free power weapons, you schmoes!!!"* *quad-raven rofl-stompage ensues It would become a quad-Raven list. I see that in the quote - ROFL STOMPAGE ENSUES!!!!!!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Actually, it is very inefficient. Four Stormravens is 800-1000 points spent on a few meltas and assault cannons. Overall, I feel massive disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scythe of vengence Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Have to say the Flesh Tearers detachment and warlord traits are very good, the relics shamefully not so much, I'm guessing if you use the Flesh Tearers detachment you've got to use the relic list too? So no AP2 sword of cheap quality and pain?Then again, Librarians are awesome anyway, and how does the "Roll 10 or more on charge and get rage" rule work with units which already have rage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Considering the huge alpha strike on Storm Ravens, they are on par with other shooty unit's per point. And the multimelta is twin-linked. Amazing vs. Flyrant spam or other flyer lists. Personally not a fan of spamming unit's though, unless your playing in a spammy meta no reason to induce that as it makes for less entertaining games :P The free power weapons on VV's seem nice, but the discount is kinda deceptive as one would never take that many normally. Nice that they are making as many unit's as possible viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Wait, did I read that right? Flesh Tearers can get up to six FA slots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phadeout Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Yay Flesh Tearers - also can the van vets be 5 man squads, can the sternguard for that matter in the free-cool-stuff-for-all formation? I know you could "save" more on freebie goodies with full squads but it'd be more playable at lower points if you can use 5 man squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I see a formation for lots of Death Company which is nice but so far nothing for Sanguinary Guard. Are there any formations for them or Detachments that include extra Elites without excluding SG from the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Heh. If you ask me, VVs should always get a free LC or PW. They are way too expensive if you kit them out right now. I mean, a VV on foot with a pair of LCs is 9 more points than a similarly-equiped assault termie. If you go shield and hammer, its 19 pts more. That makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Weee interesting, some very cool things here :) The free weapons on the VV are not nearly as broken as they sound - at most, they become "good" now. Also, they will not charge before turn 3 (or 2 with the other expensive formation), so there's that drawback as well. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Did I miss info on whether the WD formations are also in Exterminatus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Did I miss info on whether the WD formations are also in Exterminatus? Those formations are listed as 'White Dwarf Exclusive', so I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 All of "those formations" in the thread are in WD? The thread title includes Exterminatus and an earlier post asking my question didn't seem answered. I've ordered Exterminatus. I want to know if I need Satuday's WD too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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