SW1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Top work as always. The amount of time and patience this takes is pretty breathtaking. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Step away for a day and you've scratch built treads for this entire beast. You sir are a styrene genius! Looking forward to seeing where you take this- all the way of course;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Your truly a mad genius keep it up :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Thanks for the reply, Tread Factory: After a few failed attempts at making a decent mould/casting I decided to go back to my original plan of making treads by hand. there is just too many problems with casting at least in the way I am geared up to do it. Were I into the manufacture of these for profit I would engage a qualified mould maker but since it is a one shot deal I decided to tough it out. Below is my tread assembly line in various stages of production so you can see the progression. http://i.imgur.com/aRx4q2Q.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aRx4q2Ql.jpg And I couldn't decide which image I liked best so here it is again...... http://i.imgur.com/5dXu9eI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dXu9eIl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hitting My Stride; Well the first ones were tedious because I didn't know where I was going with these. After I finished the skull treads I knew what the basic tread thickness and the overall size would be and I did have the prototype for the generic tread pretty much nailed. Yesterday I played around with speeding up the production process and it was kind of a down day production wise but this morning I hit my stride and accomplished quite a bit in the hour I devoted to production. I glued the strips together the six long strips to the right. That represents the amount of track necessary to do each strip being cut into 11 segments 3,0 CM long 66 in all; probably a few more than I need. http://i.imgur.com/kes7Wb7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kes7Wb7l.jpg The five generic to the left are completed track faces and still need the back side of the track installed and the 3 center rows are pretty much what I accomplished in the hour this morning..... easy peasy :P http://i.imgur.com/8AWq65s.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8AWq65sl.jpg I hope to be half done today with the track faces. Then I can start on the blanks for the bottom run of the tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Wow! Really cool treads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Thanks, And You Guys Thought I Was Crazy: Well I figured out a way that I do not have to make 80 individual treads, I probably don't need any more than the 44 presented here. Of course I have to make the bottom run but that can be all one piece except for the inner track segments which is really quite simple http://i.imgur.com/pbJ9a0g.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pbJ9a0gl.jpg So now I can go back to twiddling my thumbs and toes Ha, Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Blank Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I made treads once for a much smaller Ork vehicle and I will avoid doing so again if at all possible, so I gave an inkling how much work you are doing. I am really impressed by your treads here, both the quality and how quickly you pulled this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have always greatly admired the patience and skill that goes into your projects and this one is no exception to that. Fantastic work as ever. :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks, How It's Done: Or how I do it anyway; I'm sure there's a better way but I don't know of it. I'm about ten minutes away from finishing up what I hope is sufficient number of tread links so it's a good time to take a break and show my production line; this time for installing rivets: First you have to cut the rough cut rivets and for that I use the half inch Xacto chisel (Center right on the board) and I cut about twenty at a time from the 1/16th inch diameter rod center board just below the cement bottle. I have two tread links just below that; the upper one is a completed link that I use as a guide to maintain the correct spacing and the one below that is the uncompleted work piece with one rivet already installed. http://i.imgur.com/lseMphu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lseMphul.jpg The pieces to the right are the tracks that are yet to have rivets installed; only eight left..... and to the left twenty four links I just completed this hour. In the close up image below i'm trying to demonstrate how I pick up the rivets because no one can pick up the individual rivets by hand and install them with their fingers without going bats**t crazy or with tweezers either for that matter. No , what I do is just touch lightly the individual rivets with the sharp point of my NEW #11 Xacto blade and brush a drop of glue onto the area of the tread link where I want the rivet to be and lightly press the rivet on the Xacto point into the glue drop and hold slight pressure for a few seconds.... http://i.imgur.com/7vjYGDd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7vjYGDdl.jpg Withdraw the knife and the rivet stays glued to the tread.......... Do that operation 128 times and you're done. Easy, Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Tread Links 1.02 Okay so the tread links are cleaned and the excess bits of plastic sanded and cut away; the rivets filed down to a uniform height, we're ready to install the front end link plate. I glued all the link to continuous strips of styrene leaving a slight gap between so I can cut them separate once the glue dries. this is so much easier than cutting each individual piece plus all the front strips are of a uniform height. http://i.imgur.com/llrREyj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/llrREyjl.jpg A closeup of the rivet rows and the tread pattern reveals slight anomalies in the spacing and placement but the casual observer will not notice, "Hey that rivet is half a millimeter too close to the other." http://i.imgur.com/DMHHxGy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DMHHxGyl.jpg Government Work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Helpful Tip On Filing Rivets: The key is where I said "rough cut", (if you look at the second picture [previous post]you will see the cut rivets are nowhere near uniform in size or shape.) I glue them on and file to the proper height. The problem is the type of file. Small rivets require a steel emery board (Diamond fingernail file) http://www.venusworldwide.com/images/Diamond%20Nail%20File.jpg or they will drag off. Larger rivets naturally can take a coarser file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 A Big Dividend: More than likely an exercise in complete lunacy but to have accomplished this pays me a big dividend; thumps chest over heart, here. I gave up on this project half a decade ago because I couldn't conceive of making treads and by treads I mean plain old run of the mill tank treads, not FW Baneblade treads. I really, really, really, coveted those skull treads and every so often I would look at this uncompleted model and think, "Someday I'll make this work." Well today just a few minutes ago it became a reality and as I savor the result and a well made Martini I am sharing this moment with all of you. http://i.imgur.com/njFbp76.jpg http://i.imgur.com/njFbp76l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zECI63y.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zECI63yl.jpg Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 :D From here it looks rather spiffy. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Torvold Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Incedible work so far. You sir must be the reincarnation of Job to be able put the time in to makeing the treads. I would of whipped the whole project against the wall in frustration trying to replicate the skulls alone. I can not wait to see this bad boy fully armed and operational. Consider this thread followed. Again bravo sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 High praise for what is ostensible a compulsive mental disorder. Thanks for the replies.....:D Bogie Chassis: Revamping this tank requires a new set of chassis for the bogie wheels. The original chassis were pretty primitive and my skills have increased over the years. These will provide much better attach points: http://i.imgur.com/XUH53pe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XUH53pel.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7V2tYPM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7V2tYPMl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 You never cease to amaze me, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Let's hope this next installment will maintain the trend........... The Track Blocks: My original track blocks were an abysmal failure and I discarded them. These new ones will be much sturdier and easy to work with. http://i.imgur.com/IBxX1Re.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IBxX1Rel.jpg Note the 6,3 X 2,0 MM centering strip I am using to align the bogie wheels, much better than the centering spine of the original track block. In the image below I know the centering strips don't look like it (I had to measure myself) but they are 12,4 MM from each track well wall. http://i.imgur.com/AUVcPWr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AUVcPWrl.jpg So now we have a true and sturdy base on which to mount the wheels. http://i.imgur.com/9GPvGfV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9GPvGfVl.jpg Next; The manufacture of the drive and idler wheels: This amazed even me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Years Ago: When I was a budding scratch-builder I made the bogies for this monster. Having already been apprised pf how outlandishly over-sized it was I search around for a shortcut to make the over-sized road wheels. So I have a complete set of bogies made out of a 5/8 inch dowel for the axle, a 7/8 inch OD ABS tube (I don't know where that came from) and I went to the dollar store and bought a couple of packets of felt tip markers, http://i.imgur.com/xNljHtG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xNljHtGl.jpg cut off the end plugs and beveled the inner vanes. http://i.imgur.com/vHznqfW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vHznqfWl.jpg and there you have it , 16 reasonably detailed road wheels with a minimum of effort and talent. And there for some reason I let the project drop. Had I used my head I should have noticed that even if the drive wheels were larger in diameter, they still had the same sized inner core. (I actually just noticed that as I type this.... Ha!) Anyway that's where we are today; trying to see if we can't improve on that other fellow's work. Next Reply Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiation Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The tracks are epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Thanks for the reply, Blackadder's 'Crown' Experiment I love 'Eureka' moments, one came to me two nights back at 3:00 AM where for the few previous days I had been mulling how to produce the drive/idler wheels for the tracks. (The Blackadder has very little to occupy his mind these days.) anyway even though I have an even better way, I'll share this eureka moment with you as it is a more general way to make tank road tires. BTW for those unfamiliar with "Eureka Moment" I enclose the following link: https://www.google.com/search?q=apprised&oq=apprised&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=archimedes+crown+experiment I hate repetition and the thought of making 40 round tires with axles to make 16 bogie wheels and 4 drive wheel frustrates me and sends me into a state that inactivates me. Rather than wallow in my doldrums I usually just switch to another project which is better for my mental health. Therefor 5 years ago when stymied by the problem, I built Lucie the Warhound (and numerous other projects as well) instead. So my eureka solution was this, rather than trying to cut round road wheelsof the proper thickness or sandwiching a half dozen or so thin disks together I took thin strips of styrene of proper width (in this case 1/4 inch) and wrapped it around the largest diameter styrene tube in my inventory 1/2 inch which coincidentally was just about the size of the axle needed. Here we see the first of the eight road tires required already completed: http://i.imgur.com/kjkte9R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kjkte9Rl.jpg I'll demonstrate how to make the next one; Measuring the proper axle spacing I glued the end of the 0,25 MM styrene strip square on the 1/2 inch styrene tube, then when sufficiently dry I filed the end to a fine taper so a lump won't form when I wrap the strip around the axle. http://i.imgur.com/FxfJVxP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FxfJVxPl.jpg When the strip is completely wrapped around I insured the wrapping was squared and tight and glued the free end to the wrap. I the proceeded to apply thinset styrene glue to the edges of the entire wrap and allowed to dry. http://i.imgur.com/v3bSz1e.jpg http://i.imgur.com/v3bSz1el.jpg I used the milled jaws of the vernier calipers shown to true the wrap edges before applying the glue. (Engineers cringe) Since the tires will be thicker than the one strip of styrene will achieve I wrapped a second around the first in the same manner. Now that the tire diameter is significantly larger than the 1/2 inch axle it was safe to use a thicker wrap, in this case I used 0,4 MM strip styrene. http://i.imgur.com/w2F2RXF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/w2F2RXFl.jpg Here we see the tire finished wrap with the vernier calipers in place to compress any spiraling edges so the strips aren't telescoped. Next post please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You're on a roll. No pun intended. Continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 My loyal Cadre; I appreciate the reply; Having self-diagnosed my condition as reverse-Aspergers in other-words I have the non-verbal skills but not the verbal. Ha!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndromeThe Odyssey continues: The Mantle Of Lunacy:Since I am so very often labeled "Crazy" I may as well don the appellation and adopt it for my very own to wit; last night I deemed the bogies too plain and spiffed them up a bit. with center axles and lugs.http://i.imgur.com/YFEzXU7.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/YFEzXU7l.jpgAfter drilling close to 400 holes my placement became a tad erratic.http://i.imgur.com/dhQX89Z.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/dhQX89Zl.jpgSince the skirting of the side armour eclipses half the road wheel I'm sure no one will see the discrepancies.But I'll have to be more careful on the very prominent Idlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat_Vet Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I previously thought I was a hobby junkie. I really had no idea. You sir are a master of your craft. The very thought of not only building your own road wheels, but using marker plugs to do so simply has me wordless. I will be using this thread for something smaller and far less grandiose, but I am unable to let the inspiration pass me by. Thanks for sharing the ideas, effort, and craftsmanship behind the production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Inspiration is the purpose of my threads; to show you don't need to spend hundreds, (nay upwards of a thousand dollars now!) to make intricate models, as long as you have the time. Time To Space the Road Wheels: Well the new tread block seems to be just about perfect; the tire hubs appear slightly below the proposed fender skirting and the block sufficiently long enough to mount the outrage number of bogies. Yeah I'm guessing about all this; that's what comes of working without a plan boys and girls.......... http://i.imgur.com/plMUYT8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/plMUYT8l.jpg The next step will be to determine the best spacing taking into account the drive sprocket and nose idler wheel the hub of the nose idler being just under the leading edge of the fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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