MikhalLeNoir Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 ^^ That was the plan. I mean Blood Angels and Dark Angels enter the HH books very late too. How about having the night guard taking a role in thr blood crusade defending cadia? Maybe the Wardens around Scorpion could help there? Could lead to some nice fights against those Eagle Warrior Scum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 True, but look at it this way. Forge World are handling factions who are already massively well-known. We're still trying to get the word out for the project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 And the audition wonders : why don't they rely.on one of their biggest poster boys? And we: because we habe so damn many and interesting factions, that we can leave the poster boys in one of the last books.!!! You mean you left the Lightning Bearers at the end? We renamed them for the Insurrection Harbingers amd they are in book one. I meant the Wardens of Light. Who? ... Just out of curiosity, where would you have the Wardens act in the war? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 But we have the Harbingers at the start. Interesting is all well and good but we could have people going "hey, that IInd Legion I've been following is in a FW kinda book?" I'd have a faction acting as one of the Insurgos, perhaps the largest and therefore shouldering a great deal of fighting. They'd likely serve with the Halcyon Wardens in the main. Defending the Emperor's borders rather than attacking Icarion's territory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 @Mikhal: Is it still a thing that the Bloodlords raid those refugee convois resulting in the Wardens' return to war? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) You mean the XIth^^ I don't know, kinda lesses the split of the Wardens, thr discussion of Kylan to go against the wishes of his primarch. Scorpions choice to leave the light behind. If there.are already Wardems fightimg the war, then the impact all of those little stories habe is lost. I mean I am really tempted and wjen the roject really kickstarted I was so angry at myself that I decided to let the wardems stay out of the fight for so long. But in doing this I can ( if I ever can) tell a story I wouldn't have if beem able if they fight right from the start..why they do not seel.revenge..why ideals are.so.precious to Gwal and his soms. The connection betweem.gwa.and his sons in this universe. @kel: should read what I wrote^^ Yes. The bloodlords are those filthy corsairs Kylan hunted down and was then semtenced.to join the night guard. Edited September 7, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Well, Kylan is still sitting out the war. If a Warden defies Gwal and puts the Emperor's people over a quite airy concept of virtue, there's more thematic weight to it. When the two factions meet again, they're both tarnished by their choices. Gwal has chosen to keep his hands clean but allowed the slaughter of untold billions in the name of their ideals, while the others have been bloodied and done questionable things because they chose the "practical" right thing over the "theoretical" right thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Exaclty my thinking of the grey wardens who join the nightguard. I see no use in a third factiom joining even earlier. I mean..sure some could But having them stay at gwals side show the good relation between the orimarch and his sons especially if you consider thst they killed him in canonverse. But to play things further it could go like this: after the gathering on caerbannog the wardens argued for weeks/ months what they should do. The majority heeded the wishes of their primarch to stay outside. But there were a few, mostly those young in the ranks, who wanted to take revenge. Those who didn't inherit the will of light yet. So under the banner of ... (insert a fitting name) they left for the imperium taking half of the new recruits with them and about 10000 of the inexperienced wardens of light. Only a few veterans joined their cause. That could be a thing but I personally tgink it lessens tge wardens story. Sim, what do you say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 This is why I'm saying they should take up arms on the Emperor's side, not join another army sworn to sit out the conflict. The Nightguard will do a bit of fireman duty and nothing more until they fight the Traitors who are doing something totally evil. That doesn't make for much difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Ahhh. Noe I get it. We tmisunderstood each other Shortly before the blood crusade happened, kylan was semt to the night guard as they begged for support and gwal knowing they swore to remain neutral thought this would be the perfect place for kylan. However. Kylan, Scorpion and the others witnessed on Cadia the full extent of the corruption. They fought there against chaos. They returned afterwards to caerbannog to rally the army. But only one fifth to one third accompagnied them. These wardens headed for terra to support the imperium on the frontlines but they were not enough. So they don't sit it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I mean before Cadia. That's in the last 5-7 years of the conflict, while every other Legion gets scenarios people can play them in long before that. In comparison, Retribution has small forces of the Blood Angels active in the Heresy a couple of years after Isstvan. Every canon Legion has its unique rules out there at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 If we want to include the Wardens in an earlier book, they don't necesserily need to not be neutral. Instead, we could have a scenario where a force of WoL are journeying towards Caerbannog but their ships get badly damaged in the warp, so they stop to have them repaired. But then a fleet of traitors breaks into the system and attacks the WoL. So the WoL as a whole stay neutral, but we see some of the WoL in combat earlier than Kylan and his lot. MikhalLeNoir and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 That could work, not ideal from my point of view, but it could work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Yap. I like Sigis idea. We can always introduce a great crusade book to give every legiom some core rules. Edited September 8, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'd give them an engagement during the Insurrection, however small. So absolutely no Warden raises a hand against the Traitors until the Blood Crusade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Sorry in advance. Crazy Tablet mode: AS mentioned before it could be tweaked that there is a splinter who goes right from the beginning turning insurgo. I am not happy with it but it Sim thinks it adds to the project we could implement them. AS they are only young recruits it gives only core rules AS the aspect warriors oft the Wardens are too specialised for young bloods. But i have to think oft charascters etc. A Leading figure. And a story arc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I like Siggis suggestion. It reminds me of that FW battle in which the Alpha Legion was about to raid an AdMech outpost until a separate Iron Warrior fleet appears. In the end, the IW, who don't have a clue about the heresy at all, allied with the AdMech and fought against the AL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Omg.....how about a force of wardens who on their way home see a battle were loyalists attack insurrectionists and help the insurrectionists because they think it is the right thing to do!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Err... what would it serve? Except to give the Loyalists reason to attack Gwal, and then have no patience when he declares his intention to remain neutral. Those IW were more like "oh, you say our Primarch's with you on this? Well, we don't care. For the Emperor!" Might one of the old Terrans be suitable to lead those who side with the Emperor? I think the reasons should also be more complex than simple hot-headedness or seeking revenge - they see a danger in inaction and adopt the grey as a result. Edited September 8, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Those who leave with Kylan are under the command of Scorpion. They don' act out of revenge. Those who are on siggis idea are in their way home. And they could at drive between both forces and they think they act as peacekeeper. The situation is confusing and they see their brother s fight. Why not help them to understand each other. Wardens motto: the best way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend^^ Could be the base for a really nice story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm not talking about Kylan, but a hypothetical force who decide that their loyalty is to the Emperor and that Icarion's rebellion risks causing massive harm to the common people. Maybe, but then there's nothing like killing people to make someone else your enemy. Actually, when did we float the idea of the Nightguard going to Mycenae? Originally it was the Knights Errant with a Nightguard prisoner of Turrus', commandeering some Iron Bears. How are the Nightguard going to know that something's going to happen when the Galaxy is being sundered by Warp storms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Actually, when did we float the idea of the Nightguard going to Mycenae? Originally it was the Knights Errant with a Nightguard prisoner of Turrus', commandeering some Iron Bears. How are the Nightguard going to know that something's going to happen when the Galaxy is being sundered by Warp storms?Eh? Since when has the Nightguard going to Mycenae been on plan? And as to Mikhal's idea of WoL going at a bunch of loyalists, it could be made more interesting by making it a battle between one of the more more shady loyalist legions(e.g. Dune Serpents) or a group of loyalists from a traitor legion, against one of the more noble Insurrectionist legions or a group of traitors from a loyalist legion. Edited September 8, 2017 by Sigismund229 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Actually, when did we float the idea of the Nightguard going to Mycenae? Originally it was the Knights Errant with a Nightguard prisoner of Turrus', commandeering some Iron Bears. How are the Nightguard going to know that something's going to happen when the Galaxy is being sundered by Warp storms?Eh? Since when has the Nightguard going to Mycenae been on plan? And as to Mikhal's idea of WoL going at a bunch of loyalists, it could be made more interesting by making it a battle between one of the more more shady loyalist legions(e.g. Dune Serpents) or a group of loyalists from a traitor legion, against one of the more noble Insurrectionist legions or a group of traitors from a loyalist legion. Exactly. I don't think that was ever the plan. Those warriors might have to be exiled by Gwal for the sake of peace. There's a lot of ways that could go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 No, the plan was for the tides of the warp o be rising in line with the brutality of the Insurrection. As such, deamonic incursion grow more and more frequent and the Nightguard start to be overwhelmed. However, the Insurrectionists and Loyalists can't help them as they're too busy fighting each other, so the Nightguard has one place left to look: Caerbannog. Cue WoL to the rescue Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Oh. I just thought as the nightguard watches the great watp rifts they have a fortress close to the eye, close to terra and as the eagle warriors and berserkers attsck and daemons follow their massacres I thought the nightguard tskes action and the blood crusade would show the truth about icarion. And the nightguard bastion on the verge.of the eye is the closest to caerbannog. Edited September 8, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/31/#findComment-4880854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now