Olis Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are there any changes to the rules or points of the Deredeo Dreadnought and the Xiphon Interceptor? I didn't see the previous rules to them both but if you can find me the previous versions, I may be able to tell. Also, can an Apothecary join a unit of Suzerains? Given the writing of the Apothecarion Detachment entry in the Crusade Army List (which tells you which squads can take it), it states that Legion specific units that can take them will say so in their own entry. The Suzerains do not have this caveat. So, strictly speaking, no they cannot. However, I get the sneaking suspicion that this might be just a case of the writers forgetting to add in the caveat (as no other unit in the book has the caveat either). It is possible that this might get FAQ'd at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are there any changes to the rules or points of the Deredeo Dreadnought and the Xiphon Interceptor? I didn't see the previous rules to them both but if you can find me the previous versions, I may be able to tell. Also, can an Apothecary join a unit of Suzerains? Given the writing of the Apothecarion Detachment entry in the Crusade Army List (which tells you which squads can take it), it states that Legion specific units that can take them will say so in their own entry. The Suzerains do not have this caveat. So, strictly speaking, no they cannot. However, I get the sneaking suspicion that this might be just a case of the writers forgetting to add in the caveat (as no other unit in the book has the caveat either). It is possible that this might get FAQ'd at some point. Xiphon Deredeo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 They're both identical except the Daeredo has the option to take a piece of equipment that boosts it's invul save by +1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So Lorgar now has Divination? Sweet. Their was only 1 good power on telepathy anyway. And Malefic. Well guys, I know everyone is excited about Ultras, but I think the real winner here is the Word Bearers. Just like Calth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Divination is more fluffy for him imo and let's face it there's nothing in divination that will come close to being as broken as Lorgar and invisible Gal Vorbak. I watched it happen at Warhammer World last year and something like 140 shots caused a single wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Divination is more fluffy for him imo and let's face it there's nothing in divination that will come close to being as broken as Lorgar and invisible Gal Vorbak. I watched it happen at Warhammer World last year and something like 140 shots caused a single wound.Invisible Gal Vorbak that move 12" is nice, but the toolbox buffs and summoning powers make Lorgsr incredibly versatile. Want Lorgar killing other primarchs? Give him Precognition. Want a bunch of buffs to your units? Give him one of any of the 4 buffing powers. Want him to summon stuff? Give him all the good powers in Malefic. And then move the models behind cover with Levitation. Or move him and his unit with it. I'm fine with this trade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are there any changes to the rules or points of the Deredeo Dreadnought and the Xiphon Interceptor? I didn't see the previous rules to them both but if you can find me the previous versions, I may be able to tell. Also, can an Apothecary join a unit of Suzerains? Given the writing of the Apothecarion Detachment entry in the Crusade Army List (which tells you which squads can take it), it states that Legion specific units that can take them will say so in their own entry. The Suzerains do not have this caveat. So, strictly speaking, no they cannot. However, I get the sneaking suspicion that this might be just a case of the writers forgetting to add in the caveat (as no other unit in the book has the caveat either). It is possible that this might get FAQ'd at some point. Xiphon Deredeo As Balthamal says, they're identical except the Deredeo. The Deredeo itself can take an Atomantic Pavaise, which among other things improves it's invun by +1 against shooting attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 As Balthamal says, they're identical except the Deredeo. The Deredeo itself can take an Atomantic Pavaise, which among other things improves it's invun by +1 against shooting attacks. The Pavaise was present in an earlier version of the Deredeo digital rules, but for some reason was removed. And then was apparently added back into the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only That is still very useful. Divination has some great boosts for shooting/combat and survivability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only That is still very useful. Divination has some great boosts for shooting/combat and survivability. Agreed I think there's some outstanding potential in there. It's just not quite as game breaking as invisibility Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 What is it exactly that a Damocles rhino does? Is it just +1 or -1 to reserves? And isn't it named after a campaign that is 9,000 years in the future? @_@ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only The updates to the AoD ruleset says that XVII Librarians can take Malefic powers too. What is it exactly that a Damocles rhino does? Is it just +1 or -1 to reserves? And isn't it named after a campaign that is 9,000 years in the future? @_@ Friendly units that deepstrike within 24" of it don't scatter and it's got a single shot orbital strike ability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only The updates to the AoD ruleset says that XVII Librarians can take Malefic powers too. What is it exactly that a Damocles rhino does? Is it just +1 or -1 to reserves? And isn't it named after a campaign that is 9,000 years in the future? @_@ Friendly units that deepstrike within 24" of it don't scatter and it's got a single shot orbital strike ability. That's pretty nice :) is it like twice the point cost of a regular rhino I assume? Turn one with it, drop an orbital bombardment. Turn two, move it up 12", use the +1 to reserves, and deep strike a unit of your choosing without scatter right in the enemy's face. I like it. I like it a lot. Sounds like something a teleporting DA legion terminator heavy list would need.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 That's pretty nice is it like twice the point cost of a regular rhino I assume? It's just shy of 3x the points cost, so it's not cheap! I forgot to add; enemies suffer a -1 to the deep strike mishap roll when the Damocles is in play. I'm wondering if having two of them in a XIII list would be legal, since you could technically have one as a non compulsory HQ and another as a transport for a Master of Signal. It probably wouldn't be worth it unless their modifiers stacked though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 That is perfectly legal - it says that in the entry for it :) Only legal for XIII Legion I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis only Ohh ok. Someone else said he could. And by the way, what's the deal with layak? What does he do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norngahl Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 The forcefield of a deredeo, how much is it more or less than the deredeos rocket launcher? Does ist affect nearby units granting them a 6+ or better if inv vs shooting or something? The damocles rhino can be taken by any legion? Is it a upgrade for a char like a Command squad (can i stick a lone praetor in it?) Or does it take up an own foc slot while not compulsory? Thanks! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Lorgar can't take Malefic powers, no psykers at all apart from Zardu Layak can take them. Lorgar is restricted to Divination or Telekinesis onlyOhh ok. Someone else said he could. And by the way, what's the deal with layak? What does he do? daemonic dark apostle good stats, wargear etc, makes ashen circle troops and lets them buy dark challenging, has a two man 'super gal vorbak' bodyguard he has Motl and counts as a diabolist, units with dark challening gain +1 to the roll if he's in the army he's also a mastery level 2 pysker, with a fancy force stave which can be fired as a heavy flamer once per game. From Garro on h30k. It's potentially nasty if you combine him with the Damocles Rhino, as you then can get dark channeling Ashen Circle with pin-point drops. Dark Channeling goes a long way towards helping the Ashen Circle not be so overcosted too. All of the options you can roll help the unit immensely, and at 2.5 pts per marine if you're running a full 10-man unit. Rolling Daemon in particular, as it's almost like they paid 2.5 pts each for combat shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4050982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are Ashen Circle still "No Ic can join"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are Ashen Circle still "No Ic can join"? Yes. It's under the rule Bitter Duty in their entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Bleh. I was hoping that might have changed with the ability to take them as troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Can someone clarify whether the reroll 1's thing works only with units that have LA:UM, or for all units in an LA:UM detachment. For instance, if a Rhino fires its combibolter at a unit, will the marines it was carrying be able to claim the reroll? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Can someone clarify whether the reroll 1's thing works only with units that have LA:UM, or for all units in an LA:UM detachment. For instance, if a Rhino fires its combibolter at a unit, will the marines it was carrying be able to claim the reroll? The units this rule does not affect are super-heavies, flyers, servo-automata and battle-automata of any kind. It only affects units in the same detachment, drawn from the Space Marine Legion Crusade Army List, which theoretically covers the Rhino. However, I'm not entirely sure this can definitely be a yes. Rhinos are not subject to the Legiones Astartes special rule (they only come with the Repair special rule) which possibly means the Rhino itself cannot take advantage of this. I suspect this will need FAQing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Cool, thanks. It sounds to me like it works how I hoped (similar to the VI legion's Night Vision rule, or the VII legion's Promethean Gift, extending an effect to non-LA units). The Battle-Automata exception is interesting. That's to override the Praevian's special rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307554-wwgo-hh-news-update-tempest-leaks-page-26/page/25/#findComment-4051077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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