Dark Angels rumors. update: Codex leaks, pg 28

[Master Sindiferous]

Wow people are starting to get down on the codex and we have only seen pieces and parts.  Most of it is pretty good from where I am standing and I'm one of those DW heavy players coming into this new codex.

 

I have so much wanted to run a good combo wing, but Green Wing was usually a waste of points or maybe I just used them wrong.  Either way I am looking forward to seeing the whole codex and building a whole new look for my normal opponents to se.  They will definitely not expect me to run RW turbo boosted down their throats on round one, and follow up with DW deep strike within 12" of RW homers and finish off with a combined drumming by RW and DW at full BS.

 

So to everyone getting down on the codex before reading the whole thing "Suck it Butter Cup!" and find a way to Tactically take the fight to the enemy as a Son of the Lion or find your way over to the Ultra Smurfs board to talk bad about it.

 

If this offends you, I have probably read your negative posts prior to the codex and now still reading negatives with the leaks out.  To the other Brothers on here, I thank you for your input and look forward to playing this improved codex using a combined wing formation.

 

Sorry for the rant.  Think I'll step back and wait for the Codex to drop before reading anymore.

 

@ 3DNinja thanks for the posts with everything put together in it.

 

Never Forget!  Never Forgive!

[Dread_Hospitaller]

I'm with you sind, I was know as THE deathwing player at my shop, and my DW lists always had some ravenwing elements anyways. Only thing that's changed for me is the deepstrike will be happening turn 2 all the time instead of half the time and my ravenwing squads just got a HUGE power boost. I'm happy as a clam ^.^

[Alvena]

Libby can still a combat shield at least it's nice for the modeling part :)

[Loar]

I know this may be a small gripe. But Im really sad we can effectively have only 1 "real" ravenwing command squad now. Under these leaks the RW command squad has the "1 per army" for the apothecary and champion(although the champion rule was the same in 6th), as well as only 1 standard. I spent a long time painting up two command squads in my previous 6th ed list and its just frustrating there is literally no way for me to field them together now.

Also the ravenwing banner is 5 points more and the auto hit and run only applies to the unit, not a 12 inch bubble, this is a HUGE nerf thats gone under the radar IMO. Part of the reason i felt our relics were lackluster was that we had all the cool banners to make up for it Not anymore.

Last bit: Our big Lion's blade detachment literally has no way to field all the units in our codex, its impossible to field a RW command squad or black knights in any capacity. This seems like another mistake as literally every other post-necron detachment of this style has at least some way to field all that is in your codex, even if it was very tough or limited. This is just flat out impossible in this codex, we literally can't use our own units in our own unique detachment......

So far its just frustrating that alot of the cool toys and synergies we had are gone in replacement of some weird formations. I also don't see why they couldn't make one big "decurian" style detachment and just had a different 'core' formation for RW, DW and Greenwing respectively. Thats what eldar have the ability to do, instead we get these archaic and poorly thought out 6th ed style FOC detachments for RW and DW. We can also bring up the fact that our libarius conclave is flat out missing and stolen to codex SM, as well as our first turn termy DS, that literally feels like they are just "twisting the knife" to DA players. There's still the DA dataslate, but its technically to codex: dark angels, not codex: adaptus astartes Dark Angels, and its much more unweildy and worse than the SM one.

I am trying to stay open minded and optimistic. But it is hard when you see such wasted opportunity and simple oversight in a product that only gets updated every couple years if that, and that GW seem to have given up on writing errata/FAQs that could literally be done in an afternoon and save such massive headaches for their customer base. Hopefully we get the errata we deserve, and maybe that rumored DA vs. Tzeetch campaign that could patchwork us up to where we should be with additional formations/improvements. Fingers crossed.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Another small bummer (not ragequit worthy, and I still like this dex so don't get all "wow everyone is so negative") is that PA Masters can take a Power weapon/Relic Blade and Storm Shield, but when in termie armour they can only take a LC or TH or guns with the shield.

I am only bummed because I have a Termie PS/SS model that I'd like to use, oh well, nevermind

On a positive note; the Relic Blade was initially rumoured to be unweildy, that is not the case so PA Masters can swing that big sword they are modeled with at initiative

[Loar]

On a positive note; the Relic Blade was initially rumoured to be unweildy, that is not the case so PA Masters can swing that big sword they are modeled with at initiative

Im pretty sure I've sherlocked that one up. Not sure if its been posted yet.

The servo arm is right below the relic blade entry. It is S x2 AP 1 Unweildy, Specialist weapon. My guess is someone mistook this or the ipad preview had it formatted wrong that they read it as the relic blade was S +2 Ap 1 Unweildy, Specialist weapon. Its the same reason people momentarily freaked out that plasma talons were assault 1 12" twin linked, they were reading the plasma cutter entry for the servo harness. Thats my theory at least, everything seems to line up pretty well for it .

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Now that there is a formation and a detachment just for ravenwing, I can field the cavalry element that I want.

[Ishagu]

One thing I'd like to add...

 

The Lion was a great tactician, his war plans and strategies easily on a par with Roboute Guilliman and any of the other Primarchs.

 

To me, playing a force composed entirely of a single company specialising in one thing isn't particularly Tactical. It's not how the Lion would have deployed the DA...

[HsojVvad]

I can say one thing for certain - the land speeders are coming off the shelf and getting dusted off. I kind of regret not buying more of them when they were cheap.

 

I still don't know how all the rules work, but how many land speeders can we field now? Can we field more land speeders more than other armies? 

 

I don't know, for just look of cool, I wanted to field an all land speeder army or an army with lots of land speeders. Don't know if it's viable or not but would look cool on the table. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

You can Field Sammy in Sableclaw and an army of about 19 Typhoon MM Speeders in the RW Detachment.

[HsojVvad]

You can Field Sammy in Sableclaw and an army of about 19 Typhoon MM Speeders in the RW Detachment.

 

Thank you. That is a lot of speeders. Can other armies field that many?

 

As a side note a lot of talk about how only Sammeal can be taken for a the HQ choice for Ravenwing or what ever is said for Deathwing. I wonder if the iPad will be written differently and it's misprints in the paper version. Well 3 more days to go. 

 

One more side note. Since I couldn't get the Limited edition books, I pre-ordered the iPad interactive version. What time do they go on sale and be able to download? I live in Canada Eastern Time Zone. So can I get it Saturday Midnight?

[Syphid]

Another small bummer (not ragequit worthy, and I still like this dex so don't get all "wow everyone is so negative") is that PA Masters can take a Power weapon/Relic Blade and Storm Shield, but when in termie armour they can only take a LC or TH or guns with the shield.

I am only bummed because I have a Termie PS/SS model that I'd like to use, oh well, nevermind

On a positive note; the Relic Blade was initially rumoured to be unweildy, that is not the case so PA Masters can swing that big sword they are modeled with at initiative

The Company Master terminator armor upgrade includes a power sword, and can be upgraded to a relic blade at a discount. I'm looking forward to fielding my Master with Terminator armor, storm shield, relic blade, and shroud of heroes with some deathwing knights.

[3DJutsu]

Ooo, you have the Codex? Mind poking through there and letting us know if there's anything that allows Biker HQs outside of Sammy the Ravenwing rule or exclusion thereof?

 

Cause that 3 HQ spots in a 'Ravenwing Only' formation has a lot of people confused.

[Stoic Raptor]

Bikes may be taken by Interrogator Chaplains, Chaplains, Librarians and Techmarines, but it would appear that when they cut and pasted the wargear list from the Space Marine Codex, they forgot to give Ravenwing bikes the Ravenwing trait.  Or, perhaps they only gain that trait when attached to a unit or Detachment that has that ability already.

 

It's a pretty obvious oversight - given that the two extra HQ slots and ability for a non-Sammael Ravenwing warlord to reroll his Warlord trait, the obvious intent is that mounted HQs would have the Ravenwing trait.  It will definitely need to be addressed in a FAQ or some other update.

[HaSY]

Ulfgrim, so we still have the same number of successors like 6 in the previous codex? No Angels of Vigilance?

[JeffJedi]

Scout Company has an official Chaplain now. :)

[SvenONE]

Can't wait for a day 1 FAQ!

[marti350]

Can't wait for a day 1 FAQ!

 

Ha they havent released a FAQ in 6 months I doubt they'll break their streak now, they're busy with all their other stuff

[depthcharge12]

Can't wait for a day 1 FAQ!

Lol pre day 1 FAQ. A Pre FAQ for the faulty product they're about to release :P

[Retaliation]

I want to make a company master using the foe smiter modeled as a heavy bolter. I don't really care if it's not all that good, I just love the idea of an HQ using a heavy weapon.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Another small bummer (not ragequit worthy, and I still like this dex so don't get all "wow everyone is so negative") is that PA Masters can take a Power weapon/Relic Blade and Storm Shield, but when in termie armour they can only take a LC or TH or guns with the shield.

I am only bummed because I have a Termie PS/SS model that I'd like to use, oh well, nevermind

On a positive note; the Relic Blade was initially rumoured to be unweildy, that is not the case so PA Masters can swing that big sword they are modeled with at initiative

The Company Master terminator armor upgrade includes a power sword, and can be upgraded to a relic blade at a discount. I'm looking forward to fielding my Master with Terminator armor, storm shield, relic blade, and shroud of heroes with some deathwing knights.

Look at how the the Termie weapon options work. You may only swap your power weapon if you want a storm shield, and you have the option to swap your Storm Bolter for either a Combi-gun, a Lightning claw or a Thunder Hammer. ergo no Sword shield mix.

You can have a nice cheap Relic blade but you are not getting a shield as well on the same model.

[Stoic Raptor]

Ulfgrim, so we still have the same number of successors like 6 in the previous codex? No Angels of Vigilance?

 

Sorry, they are not mentioned.  Just the "standard" six, but it hints that there could be others.

[SvenONE]

Another small bummer (not ragequit worthy, and I still like this dex so don't get all "wow everyone is so negative") is that PA Masters can take a Power weapon/Relic Blade and Storm Shield, but when in termie armour they can only take a LC or TH or guns with the shield.

I am only bummed because I have a Termie PS/SS model that I'd like to use, oh well, nevermind

On a positive note; the Relic Blade was initially rumoured to be unweildy, that is not the case so PA Masters can swing that big sword they are modeled with at initiative

The Company Master terminator armor upgrade includes a power sword, and can be upgraded to a relic blade at a discount. I'm looking forward to fielding my Master with Terminator armor, storm shield, relic blade, and shroud of heroes with some deathwing knights.

Look at how the the Termie weapon options work. You may only swap your power weapon if you want a storm shield, and you have the option to swap your Storm Bolter for either a Combi-gun, a Lightning claw or a Thunder Hammer. ergo no Sword shield mix.

You can have a nice cheap Relic blade but you are not getting a shield as well on the same model.

Not so sure about that, and if that's the case that's going to require a FAQ if you ask me.

The fact the storm shield is there by itself indicates that you can buy it no matter what, it doesn't replace anything. Similar to the Int-Chaplain who can buy a Power fist without trading anything in. The Int-Chaplain entry goes on to state a conditional by saying you can't even take term armor if you have the power fist.

I know the Melee Weapons entry says you need to trade your power weapon for it, but we aren't buying it using that bullet point, we're taking it directly.

[Kr80gZ]

I've been going over the leaks and so far I'm really stoked! Not much changed from my main lists, everything seems to just get slotted into either the DW or RW Detachments.  :)

 

The way I'm reading Dedicated Transports (Landraiders) is that they should be able to Deepstrike!  In the Deathwing Strike Force states:  All members of this Detachment much have either the Deathwing special rule or be dedicated transports. * emphasis mine.

 

Then is says: all units must Deepstrike. 

 

I don't see anywhere that prevents us from Deepstriking a Landraider as a dedicated Transport!  Can't say that it doesn't have "Deepstrike" special rule, as neither does Belial, DW Termies or Knights...
Deathwing special rule only confers Hatres and Fearless....not Deepstrike.

 

 

Thoughts?
 

[Interrogator Stobz]

Sven: If you go the Buy it at the same time as the termie armour we might get away with it, but I feel that they intended the termie armour to replace things as usual then have new options with regard to weapons.

I'm liking your comparison to the Fist on the Interrogator so I might try it your way and see if I get dreadsocked by my mates