++From Hatred We Were Born, Creation of a 7.5 Chaos Codex++

[Khornestar]

Thanks Carrack.

 

also, reduced cost of axe of khorne by 5 points across the board, as it just isn't worth more than a power fist.

 

Amen!

[Carrack]

I gave it a more serious read. I really want to try out the possessed, but I overvowed for Call of Chaos and that is going to fill my hobby time, so no possessed models for a while. The other units I want to try are the Lord level dark apostle and Warpsmith. I've been hesitant about putting a two wound HQ as my warlord, but with these options I can try them out. The land raider also has me intrigued with all the possibilities. Thanks for putting in the effort on these codex. It's worth it just to take the time and read it, but I can't wait to give it a try.

[Teetengee]

Added links to a couple rewritten disciplines done alongside the same design philosophy.

[Teetengee]

updated the khorne relics to make them a bit more interesting

[Khornestar]

updated the khorne relics to make them a bit more interesting

 

What armor save does the Armor of Unrelenting Bloodlust confer?

[Teetengee]

 

updated the khorne relics to make them a bit more interesting

 

What armor save does the Armor of Unrelenting Bloodlust confer?

 

It doesn't, by design, as otherwise the costing would either be too great for some units that can take it or too little for others, just buy it alongside whatever armour it is that you wanted.

Fluffwise it has come in many forms and guises, blah blah blah. (Eventually I will do fluff for these things, but right now it seems premature.)

[Khornestar]

 

 

updated the khorne relics to make them a bit more interesting

 

What armor save does the Armor of Unrelenting Bloodlust confer?

 

It doesn't, by design, as otherwise the costing would either be too great for some units that can take it or too little for others, just buy it alongside whatever armour it is that you wanted.

Fluffwise it has come in many forms and guises, blah blah blah. (Eventually I will do fluff for these things, but right now it seems premature.)

 

 

Ah, I see. Didn't realize any of the HQs could take it. That makes sense.

[Teetengee]

Yeah, it was either that or recost it per type (which violates the design scheme) or restrict it to only certain dudes (which didn't seem as fun).

[Teetengee]

Working on adding IA13 and Special character stuff into the Khorne Book.
I figured that blood slaughterers don't really need their own entry next to the daemonfiends, so I added in the impaler to them and a couple other units as an option.

[Teetengee]

I have added allies rules, special characters, and lords of war to the Khorne book. I don't really know how much the different lords of war are worth though, since I rarely play such expensive models, so I would love some help on their pricing.

[Teetengee]

Updated the summary page for the Khorne Book

[Khornestar]

I have added allies rules, special characters, and lords of war to the Khorne book. I don't really know how much the different lords of war are worth though, since I rarely play such expensive models, so I would love some help on their pricing.

 

Only just started looking, but right off the bat I can tell you An'ggrath's weapon is finally something appropriate.

 

I also enjoy the TL baleflamer instead of the two regular s6 AP3 flamers the Brass Scorp has.

 

As for the Kytan, IMO it's ~100 points too expensive as presented by FW.

 

Skarbrand is perfect. Finally.

[Teetengee]

Yeah, I felt like the second to Khorne should probably be S D.

TL Baleflamer was mainly because it seemed similar and it saved space from having to have yet another template weapon. No reason for two different weapons when one can suffice.
Skarbrand didn't seem too far off in current rules, just giving him so more speed and a point of strength seemed to be a good ruleset for his now diminished form.

 

Kytan points, yeah, I don't really know what to balance it against right now, same goes for the Scorpion and the LoS.

[Khornestar]

Not totally sure, tbh. For the Kytan I compare it to a Daemon Knight of Khorne. Lord of Skulls... I dunno. Just such a weird thing. The Scorpion isn't too bad as-is.

[Teetengee]

Not totally sure, tbh. For the Kytan I compare it to a Daemon Knight of Khorne. Lord of Skulls... I dunno. Just such a weird thing. The Scorpion isn't too bad as-is.

The lord of skulls isn't really that weird, it is just a walker that happens to do thunderblitz rather than stomp. Which honestly, doesn't seem to be that different in points value, maybe a little worse than stomp would be.

The main thing is that no one has used knights in my meta ever, so I don't really know how to balance against them.

[Teetengee]

Now that the khorne book is a thing, I restricted khorne berzerkers in the Traitors and Heretics book from becoming troops, as they really are elites in that sort of setup.

Expect the same for the other gods in the future, but use the codices as is for now for playtesting purposes.

[Teetengee]

Formations are up for Khorne.
Mostly similar to the Daemonkin formations, but I don't know if a. I will keep it that way, or b. if the changes are balanced or not.
Would love some input.

[Teetengee]

reworded Crazed a bit for better clarity

[Teetengee]

Added Bloodletter crews for Khorne Book

also, to add to the pile of WIP, have a spoiler

Hidden Content

HQ

Ahriman, Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons

Gallus Herodicus

Kairos Fateweaver

The Changeling

The Blue Scribes

Chaos Lord

Sorcerer Lord

Chaos Champion/Despot

Chaos Sorcerer

Dark Apostle

Warpsmith

Lord of Change

Daemon Prince

Herald of Tzeentch

Exalted Flamer

 

Troops

Horrors

Tzeentch Space Marines

Tzeentch Cultists

Thousand Sons Rubricae

 

Elites

Chosen

Chosen Terminators

Rubric Terminators

Flamers

Tzeentch Possessed

Tzeentch Mutilators

Helbrute Squadron

 

Fast Attack

Tzeentch Chaos Spawn

Tzeentch Warp Talons

Screamers

Tzeentch Furies

Chaos Rhino

Chaos Drop Pod

Hellblade

Helldrake

 

Heavy Support

Tzeentch Obliterators

Daemonfiend

Hellcrawler

Chaos Predator Squadron

Chaos Vindicator Squadron

Chaos Land Raider

Burning Chariot

 

Lord of War

Aetaos’Rau’Keres

[Khornestar]

I'm liking the Red Host detachment's special rule. I feel like consolidating into combat is long overdue for a Chaos unit/formation and helps mitigate the "of course I wiped out that unit of fire warriors with my 300 point unit so now it's time to die" thing. Could be countered rather easily by spacing units more than 6" apart which isn't a big deal. Situationally awesome, but by no means overpowered. Of course I'm sure plenty would disagree. Looks good to me, at any rate.

 

Love the Blood Cult, as well. Khârn's Butcherhorde special rules are cool here, without the stupidity of that formation.

 

Slaughtercult is good, I'd still never take it due to the unit requirements. Maybe it's my prejudice against the current Possessed rules in the GW books, but even with your improved rules I have no interest in taking them. I'd probably still prefer Terminators for the extra 7 points each for the ability to Termicide and have +1 WS. Formation-wide FNP is very good, but the fact that a unit must be destroyed to get it means that the 1 surviving cultist who got lucky because the opponent rolled a 1 to wound is going to withhold the benefit. In that situation there's no benefit other than the Red Host. Not sure what a suitable alternative would be, to be honest; just some scattered thoughts.

 

Brazen Onslaught, since Skullcrushers exist now is cool. The Bloodcrushers are sorta iffy for me. Your unit is better in some ways than the GW version, slightly better over all (definitely cheaper, which makes the most difference). I'd still give the formation and the unit thumbs up. Terminators, Skullcrushers, Bloodcrushers: 3 units I love, even if they aren't the be all end all. Extra attacks with all those power weapons could be nice.

 

More to come, must sleep.

[Teetengee]

I'm liking the Red Host detachment's special rule. I feel like consolidating into combat is long overdue for a Chaos unit/formation and helps mitigate the "of course I wiped out that unit of fire warriors with my 300 point unit so now it's time to die" thing. Could be countered rather easily by spacing units more than 6" apart which isn't a big deal. Situationally awesome, but by no means overpowered. Of course I'm sure plenty would disagree. Looks good to me, at any rate.

 

Love the Blood Cult, as well. Khârn's Butcherhorde special rules are cool here, without the stupidity of that formation.

 

Slaughtercult is good, I'd still never take it due to the unit requirements. Maybe it's my prejudice against the current Possessed rules in the GW books, but even with your improved rules I have no interest in taking them. I'd probably still prefer Terminators for the extra 7 points each for the ability to Termicide and have +1 WS. Formation-wide FNP is very good, but the fact that a unit must be destroyed to get it means that the 1 surviving cultist who got lucky because the opponent rolled a 1 to wound is going to withhold the benefit. In that situation there's no benefit other than the Red Host. Not sure what a suitable alternative would be, to be honest; just some scattered thoughts.

remember that you get the fnp off of any units dying, not just units from your formation or your army

[Khornestar]

True, but the single survivor thing could go either way. Not bad at all, as it's fairly likely a unit on either side will die, but I dunno. My preference is the Blood Cult. Funny, because getting the double attacks result is even less likely than FNP in the Slaughtercult :D.

[Teetengee]

True, although I think forcing the opponent to decide whether or not to finish off a unit or just let it absorb overwatch for one of your other units/ go about its business is going to be a tough question that isn't a bad thing to force on your enemy.

[Khornestar]

Yeah you've got a point.

[Khornestar]

Have you considered Blood Slaughterers for the Khorne army list? They seem like a shoe-in, IMO.