The DA FAQ request : let's centralize everything guys !

[Blank05]

Blank, dude, its pretty clear cut. You get either str +2 ap3, or str x2 ap2. Covered in the other rumor threads pretty extensively.

I agree, but if there was a discrepancy between us there will probably be one amongst others. And I can think of more than a few times when the community agreed on something and the FAQ showed us we were wrong: TH/SS Sergeants ring a bell? In the Xenos community of Dark Eldar where the Shadowfield now breaks after a successful FNP roll because of the new FAQ. All I'm suggesting is we ask for a bit more clarity

[Vilicate]

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the DW Strike Force and RW Strike Force alternative core choices for the Lion's Blade?

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the Auxiliary choices from the Lion's Blade available without taking the Lion's Blade?

For example can I field a RW Attack Squadron with along side the DW Strike Force?

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for the re-roll of the warlord trait.

Does this mean that in that formation since Sammie is the only HQ with the RW special rule, and therefore the only possible choice, does he get to re-roll his warlord trait?

Or as the question above are there other HQ choices available to this formation that can make use of that re-roll.

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for 3 HQs and 1 Elite choice.

The only elite choice with the RW special rule is the RW command squad.

If we are allowed to take mulitple HQs, are we allowed to take a RW command squad for each of them?

 

All of these questions are very clearly answered by the rules.

 

The only core formation listed for Lion's Blade is the Demi-Company.  So why would you be able to add a detachmentment, which is not listed at all to this formation?

 

Yes, all the formations are available to any army all the time; there's no need to take a Lion's Blade Formation to access any of the other formations in the book (other than the Lion's Blade, that is).

 

You can't re-roll Sammy's warlord trait, as it's always set as part of his rules.

 

You're limited to one Elite choice; so only one Ravenwing Command squad (mostly I'm sure because there only is -one- Ravenwing Command squad in the entirety of the chatper).

[ValourousHeart]

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : ....

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : ....

 

 

Q : (p106-107) No Space Marines Bike option for Chaplain & Company Master ?

 

The Chaplain does have an option for a bike.

It is the second point under his options.

[snoopy]

 

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : ....

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : ....

 

 

Q : (p106-107) No Space Marines Bike option for Chaplain & Company Master ?

 

The Chaplain does have an option for a bike.

It is the second point under his options.

 

Oh.. sorry. comment edited. 

[ValourousHeart]

 

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the DW Strike Force and RW Strike Force alternative core choices for the Lion's Blade?

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the Auxiliary choices from the Lion's Blade available without taking the Lion's Blade?

For example can I field a RW Attack Squadron with along side the DW Strike Force?

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for the re-roll of the warlord trait.

Does this mean that in that formation since Sammie is the only HQ with the RW special rule, and therefore the only possible choice, does he get to re-roll his warlord trait?

Or as the question above are there other HQ choices available to this formation that can make use of that re-roll.

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for 3 HQs and 1 Elite choice.

The only elite choice with the RW special rule is the RW command squad.

If we are allowed to take mulitple HQs, are we allowed to take a RW command squad for each of them?

 

All of these questions are very clearly answered by the rules.

 

The only core formation listed for Lion's Blade is the Demi-Company.  So why would you be able to add a detachmentment, which is not listed at all to this formation?

 

Yes, all the formations are available to any army all the time; there's no need to take a Lion's Blade Formation to access any of the other formations in the book (other than the Lion's Blade, that is).

 

You can't re-roll Sammy's warlord trait, as it's always set as part of his rules.

 

You're limited to one Elite choice; so only one Ravenwing Command squad (mostly I'm sure because there only is -one- Ravenwing Command squad in the entirety of the chatper).

 

The question about taking the RW or DW strike force as the core of a Lion's Blade would solve most everyones concerns about how to best roll out their dual and tri wing lists without having to have GW as your Core.

 

Since I don't play armies that get updated very often I haven't had a chance to dive into these formations and Demi-companies yet.

So if the answer was already addressed in another codex release that would be more helpful to know.

But as I have seen in the past, one codex has zero influence upon another.

 

The RW Strike Force has a couple of issues that need to be addressed.

The obvious one is that availibility of other HQ choices.... if they are allowed then that solves most of the issues.

If they are not allowed then we have the question of the re-roll the warlord trait.

Does it need to go away or does it apply to Sammie.

 

Sammie normally having Rapid Manoeuvre is great in a dual wing setting.

But in a pure RW list isn't always the best.

In fact the others are much more valuable in a pure RW list.

Just imagine Sableclaw with The Hunt, or the Jetbike having For The Lion!

 

Do I expect Sammie to get to re-roll his warlord trait.

No I don't.

But asking about the other HQ's only answers the question if they answer "yes, you can take them."

It is better to have that question in there as a follow up to the HQ question then not to have it in there, and them answer no too the HQ question.

 

The final question is about the RW Command Squad.

Previously you were allowed to take 1 RWCS per HQ on a Bike or Sammie.

I don't see that rule anywhere so I could assume that doesn't apply any longer.

 

But if we compare this to the DW Strike Force you can field 12 DW Command Squads in that formation.

So the rational that there is only 1 RWCS but as many DWCS as you want doesn't make much sense.

 

But it could be that they meant for the formation to only have Sammie and one Command Squad or they meant to have 3 and 3.

 

These answers are far more ambigious than the one about taking an I-Chap instead of a Chap in the Demi-company.

The I-Chap isn't even an option is the core of the Demi-company.

[Vilicate]

Hey ValourousHeart;

 

I agree, the question about the Interrigator Chaplain is pretty dumb.  Seems like that shouldn't be in there - it's cut an dried.  I'd understand it if they didn't mention him at all in any of the other formations, but they do.  Lots.

 

After reading the leak through, I think the only question that I really have revolves around Characters on bikes and Ravenwing status (why even put in multiple HQ slots?).

 

Otherwise, the codex is pretty cut and dry.  A little bit of a bummer about the Deathwing, but hey, thems the breaks.  People will have to include a few greenies or Ravenwing in order to play that army.

[Elios Harg]

I would add:

 

Are the Unrelenting Hunt and Dark Angels Librarius Conclave still legal? If so, how does one field the unrelenting hunt's ravenwing attack squadron? As outlined by the formation in the codex?

[Elios Harg]

 

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p) : The battle Force allows to include 3 HQ. However the limitations state that only models with the ravenwing special rule are allowed and only Sammael has this special rule. Should we assume that giving a space marine bike to a character wautomatically gives him the Ravenwing special rule?

 

Q : Ravenwing Battle Force (p) : The rule Strike As One specifies that ALL the formation should either be deployed entirely or kept in reserve entirely. Since the rulebook oblige me to keep flyers in reserve, does it imply then that a Ravenwing Battle Force including any flyer (Dark Talon or Nephilim) is obliged to be entirely kept in reserve?

They may not want the Chaplain, I-Chap, Libraian, or Techmarine to be able to re-role their Jink save.

So an alternative we could suggest is that the limitation be models with the RW special rule or HQ units that have taken a bike.

Q: Battle Demi Company (p. 140) Can the Chaplain be replaced by Interrogation Chaplain?

The I-Chap isn't part of the Demi-company, it is only part of the Inner Circle which is optional.

So i think the obvious answer is no.

It is odd that the Chap is the only HQ not included in the Inner Circle.

Well the Techmarine too, but they made it clear that only the Master of the Forge was member of the Inner Circle, and he was hardwired into the Rock's navigation system as part of his initiation into the Inner Circle.

 

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p): Are the DW Strike Force and RW Strike Force alternative core choices for the Lion's Blade?

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p): Are the Auxiliary choices from the Lion's Blade available without taking the Lion's Blade?

For example can I field a RW Attack Squadron with along side the DW Strike Force?

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for the re-roll of the warlord trait.

Does this mean that in that formation since Sammie is the only HQ with the RW special rule, and therefore the only possible choice, does he get to re-roll his warlord trait?

Or as the question above are there other HQ choices available to this formation that can make use of that re-roll.

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for 3 HQs and 1 Elite choice.

The only elite choice with the RW special rule is the RW command squad.

If we are allowed to take mulitple HQs, are we allowed to take a RW command squad for each of them?

Command squads are no longer "unlocked" you just take them as an elite. So in a CAD, you can take 3, of course the 2nd and 3rd are just black knight squadrons with a 6 man limit as you may only take one black knight champion or black knight apothecary per army now.

[Solrac]

What Elios said, there's no point in taking multiple DW or RW command squads.

[SvenONE]

Sammael in Sableclaw is: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Character).  

 

Does this mean if he is charged in combat (despite that vehicles cannot charge into combat themselves) he could be challenged?  If so, what profile would he fight with as Vehicles are WS1 for the purposes of combat.

 

Edit:

 

The Interrogator Chaplain has an entry that specifically says he can take a power fist.  The power fist already falls under the Melee Weapons entry though that route requires you to trade in a weapon.  Does this mean that the Chaplain can trade his Crozius for a Lightning Claw and now have 2 specialist weapons? Or just get to keep his Bolt Pistol/Crozius Combo as well?

 

The thought of a power fist holding a bolt pistol is enjoyable.

[ValourousHeart]

What Elios said, there's no point in taking multiple DW or RW command squads.

 

While I agree with you on the DWCS, as everything for DW is an elite choice.

But I do feel like there is a reason to take multiple RWCS.

If you are fielding a normal CAD for your GW/RW, taking RWCS are elite choices, freeing up your FA choices for other RW options.

 

Sammael in Sableclaw is: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Character).  

 

Does this mean if he is charged in combat (despite that vehicles cannot charge into combat themselves) he could be challenged?  If so, what profile would he fight with as Vehicles are WS1 for the purposes of combat.

 

Does that mean that since Sableclaw is a character that it can join a squadron of speeders?

 

As for close combat wouldn't he just inflict D3+1 hits at S4 AP2.

[SvenONE]

Sammael in Sableclaw is: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Character).  

 

Does this mean if he is charged in combat (despite that vehicles cannot charge into combat themselves) he could be challenged?  If so, what profile would he fight with as Vehicles are WS1 for the purposes of combat.

 

Does that mean that since Sableclaw is a character that it can join a squadron of speeders?

 

As for close combat wouldn't he just inflict D3+1 hits at S4 AP2.

 

 

Not sure about the character/vehicle part.  He loses his IC status when riding in sable claw so that means joining/leaving isn't possible to my knowledge.

 

And the D3+1 hits are only inflicted at the end of the movement phase and nowhere else.

[SvenONE]

Ezekiel's new Book of Salvation says it grants +1A at the start of the fight sub-phase to the end of that phase.  Does this mean that unlike say Hatred, each Fight Sub-Phase will continue to generate +1A.

[3DJutsu]

alternative to the HQ problem is to change the wording in the RWSF from 'only models with Ravenwing' to 'only models with Ravenwing and chaplains, interrogator chaplains, and librarians that have taken a space marine bike'

 

This will allow them to be taken as hqs, but deny them the Ravenwing bonuses that I would assume come from their training.

 

But that's a whole 'nother can of worms regarding who can re-roll saves etc.

[roachvan]

Dreadnoughts and Venerable Dreadnoughts have grim resolve.

Does this allow them to use overwatch?

[Elios Harg]

Dreadnoughts already could overwatch

[roachvan]

can you tell me where to find that in the rule book please.

[aura_enchanted]

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p) : If I use a single detachment, all my squads are kept in reserve and therefore arrive the turn I choose after the 1st one. But since I have no units on the table turn one, does it mean that a single Deathwing Battle Force automatically loose the game turn one?

 

I think it'd be important to include DSing turn 1 as a possible option. We've had the ability to do so for the past 2 codices, so it stands to reason we may be supposed to have it now and the numer "1" is accidentally missing.

what I think happens is that it's supposed to read turn 1, turn 2, or turn 3 because in turn 4 all your reserves auto come on anyway, so stating that was pointless.

[Cactus]

can you tell me where to find that in the rule book please.

 

Page 90, under the heading "Shooting with walkers".

[Raychu]

Hey there!

 

I have a question which appeared on a french forum.

 

it's about the Ravenwing Support Squadron.

 

As the vehicules have to form a single vehicule squadron as per rule book. how does the shrouded rule from the Darkshroud and the stealth rule it gives to the landspeeders work?

do the whole squadron, or unit, including the Darkshroud benefit from both rules? (for memery the DarkShroud normally does not benefit from the stealth rule).

[cielaq]

It looks like the squadron gets the rule, but only regular land speeders actually benefit from it.

[Master Avoghai]

Wow, I wake up today and found a bunch of question and debate :P

 

Some nice one there

 

Sammael in Sableclaw is: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Character).  

 

Does this mean if he is charged in combat (despite that vehicles cannot charge into combat themselves) he could be challenged?  If so, what profile would he fight with as Vehicles are WS1 for the purposes of combat.

 

Never thought about the challenge issue I'll add this question.

 

As for the joining LS squadrons, he doesn't have the Independant character status, he only is a character hence, this does not apply

 

The Interrogator Chaplain has an entry that specifically says he can take a power fist.  The power fist already falls under the Melee Weapons entry though that route requires you to trade in a weapon.  Does this mean that the Chaplain can trade his Crozius for a Lightning Claw and now have 2 specialist weapons? Or just get to keep his Bolt Pistol/Crozius Combo as well?

I think you mean rather a 2nd PF don't you? As the specialist weapon bonus requires 2 identical weapons to grant the +1A bonus.

 

They may not want the Chaplain, I-Chap, Libraian, or Techmarine to be able to re-role their Jink save.

So an alternative we could suggest is that the limitation be models with the RW special rule or HQ units that have taken a bike.

I'll add thisalternative

 

 

 

Q: Battle Demi Company (p. 140) Can the Chaplain be replaced by Interrogation Chaplain?

The I-Chap isn't part of the Demi-company, it is only part of the Inner Circle which is optional.

So i think the obvious answer is no.

It is odd that the Chap is the only HQ not included in the Inner Circle.

Well the Techmarine too, but they made it clear that only the Master of the Forge was member of the Inner Circle, and he was hardwired into the Rock's navigation system as part of his initiation into the Inner Circle.

Actually the more I think about the question, the more I think I'll remove it from the list. Like you said, We can add an interrogator chaplain using the Inner Circle formation.

 

I think that GW want to represent the fact tha company chaplain are "standard" chaplain that have not been introduced yet in the iner circle arcanes.

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p): Are the DW Strike Force and RW Strike Force alternative core choices for the Lion's Blade?

No clearly they are not

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p): Are the Auxiliary choices from the Lion's Blade available without taking the Lion's Blade?

For example can I field a RW Attack Squadron with along side the DW Strike Force?

Yup you can. The only thing is that you'll lose the Lion's blade bonus (counter charge at full BS) whereas you'll keep the inbuilt bonus of each formation.

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for the re-roll of the warlord trait.

Does this mean that in that formation since Sammie is the only HQ with the RW special rule, and therefore the only possible choice, does he get to re-roll his warlord trait?

Or as the question above are there other HQ choices available to this formation that can make use of that re-roll.

You cannot reroll a fixed traits it's like willing to change a piece of wargear on a named character. I think this bonus is another proof that GW has forgotten the possibilities for other character to lead a RW BF

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for 3 HQs and 1 Elite choice.

The only elite choice with the RW special rule is the RW command squad.

If we are allowed to take mulitple HQs, are we allowed to take a RW command squad for each of them?

Nope. The Command squad are not relied anymore on the HQ. Actually in the current BA or SM codex you can have more CS than HQ. If you want a 2nd Command squad in your RW BF you'll have to take a second detachment.

 

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : ....Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : ....

 

 

Q : (p106) No Space Marines Bike option for Company Master ?

 

Q : (p143) The ravenwing support squadron is composed with 1 unit of land speeder & LS vengence/darkshroud (support squadron rule)

The rules of the Darkshroud (p127) say "Friendly units with the Dark Angels Factions within 6ps of one or more Darkshrouds gain Fear and Stealth special rules (thought this does not affect the Darkshrouds themselve)" & the LS darkshroud has the rule Shrouded. 

So, the Land speeder of the squadron obtain the rule "Shrouded" (same unit than the Darkshroud) and the LS Darkshroud give Stealth to the other Land speeder of the unit for a +3 at the cover save (Land Speeder) & +2 at the cover save (Darkshroud) ? 

 

 

(Sorry if my english isn't very good)

No problem dude, I'm french as well :P

 

The bike issue for the CM is a tough one as GW has always said that Sammael is the bike company master... On the other way, this could represent a 8th company master and after all we can play a CM in TDA after all...

 

Good point on the RW squadron? I'll add it too

[cielaq]

Regarding the re-roll for Warlord in RW Detachment - if I remember correctly, you can choose any model to be Warlord, and if he's character, he'll ger the trait. hence it's possible for a sarge/apothecary to be Warlord with re-rollable trait.

[shabbadoo]

Q: The Rift cannon (p 150) has the vortex rule on any roll of doubles and is applied immediately. However, the rules for vortex specifically say to place the blast marker and roll for scatter. Does the template simply scatter the original distance and count as vortex, not scatter and count as vortex, or roll scatter as per vortex rules, replacing the original scatter?

I think this is an uneccesary question.  The template is placed and the scatter is rolled for.  Whether it is a HIT! or not, if doubles come up on the d6s the blast counts as a Vortex weapon.  Roll on the Destroyer Weapon Attack Table for any models touched by the blast marker, and leave the blast marker in play.  On subsequent turns, see what the Vortex does as per the Vortex rules.  That is really not diffcult to understand.

[twopounder]

 

Q: The Rift cannon (p 150) has the vortex rule on any roll of doubles and is applied immediately. However, the rules for vortex specifically say to place the blast marker and roll for scatter. Does the template simply scatter the original distance and count as vortex, not scatter and count as vortex, or roll scatter as per vortex rules, replacing the original scatter?

I think this is an uneccesary question.  The template is placed and the scatter is rolled for.  Whether it is a HIT! or not, if doubles come up on the d6s the blast counts as a Vortex weapon.  Roll on the Destroyer Weapon Attack Table for any models touched by the blast marker, and leave the blast marker in play.  On subsequent turns, see what the Vortex does as per the Vortex rules.  That is really not diffcult to understand.

 

 

When it becomes a vortex weapon you have to start from the top of the vortex weapon rules. You can't skip what isn't convenient in special rule entries, and it specifically says to scatter the blast. Which means you roll to scatter > vortex > roll to scatter. That's RAW.