Talonair Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 They are going to be a body guard unit, forgot to add that part in. Maybe drop them as an elites choice and just have them be a body guard option, like Honour Guard were Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4184539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 That sounds like a good idea to me. I would also consider my suggestion to make them a dedicated melee unit, you could have the shields be on the "arms" where the secutors have their guns and still give them a pair of melee weapons, or leave them with the axes you've already written up. Then a simple addition of a rule like chosen warriors would make them a badass bodyguard unit who can step in and take a challenge on behalf of the magos whose life they are protecting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4184554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Maybe. Problem is, even the dedicated melee units of the Mechanicum (Ursarax for instance) have ranged weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4184557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I believe the new Scyllax don't need to, but I see your point. Maybe give them a token ranged weapon a Volkite Charger or Maxim bolter. Or come up with something esoteric, but not very powerful. Distinguishing them from other units isn't a bad thing as long as you aren't completely removing an army weakness. The mechanicum already have viable combat options so I would say this would be a viable idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4184630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Maybe give them PE(Everything) and one weapon option from the first list, or a selection of pistol weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4184747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 Myrmidons Custos have been updated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4186389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Honestly I think they look much better now. Not trying to do a bit of everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4186460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 Cool. Any ideas on points value for Mortera? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4186548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Well.. As shes able to mulch Horus, I would say 550 pts ish.. Yes I know its more then any primarch, but this is no primarch. this is a metal woman of destruction! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4186666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 No, she is Margeret Thatcher Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4186814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 So, sorry if you've mentioned it, but I'm trying to cover the other topics in this brief window, but do they have a prescence on Mars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4188957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 By the beginning of the civil war, absolutely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4188983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'm thinking of giving them a nod in a future post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4189047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 Awesome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4189093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Could you maybe update Mortera's profile with the advice you got and stuff? I would love to see how she is now, I am making Xander (kinda like the traitor version of Mortera) so I could maybe use your Mortera as a profile base for Xander Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4191738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 She already has been, the points cost is just undecided as of yet. 550pts has been suggested, which seems fair Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4191935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Going through Mortera;  Offence; 6-9 WS7 S7 AP2 Armourbane Attacks with Preferred Enemy and Instant Death on a 6 and a single guaranteed Instant Death per turn, and 2 S4 AP2 Concussive, Shred, Haywire Attacks with -1 Toughness granted as a result of Rad Furnace. Jump Infantry. +1 WS in a challenge. Hammer of Wrath and Move Through Cover.  Against an elite infantry squad (say WS5, T4 2 wounds), that's hitting on 3's with a reroll, wounding on 2's with a reroll, instant deathing them with 6-9 attacks due to how charging, counter attack and rampage works out. Assuming a charge, because Jump Infantry/Fleet, that gives us 6 base, and rampage, that's an average of 8, so 7 hits, wounding on 2's with a reroll is 7 wounds. That's 7 Dead, sans Invulnerable Saves.  Against a Primarch, thats hitting on 3's or 4's with a reroll, wounding on 2-4's with a reroll on a 1, and forcing an Invulnerable Save, either 4+ or 5+. Against Morro, that's 8 Attacks, 6 hits, 3, maybe 4 wounds. 5+ Save recovers 1, maybe his multiple IWND rolls recovers another 1. So, between 1-3 wounds. Pionus is probably tougher; but against a more typical primarch, that's WS7 T6, W6, 2+/4++, that's hitting on 4's with a reroll, increasing to 3's after, so that's 6-7 hits, 6-7 wounds, and 3, maybe 4 wounds. That's INSANE. No other Primarch can put out that damage input, where even if IWND kicks in, will it kill a typical Primarch.  Defence; 7 T8 Wounds with a 2+/4++ Primarch rules, basically, and an equivalent IWND for non-wound stat damage, FNP 5+, Immune to Concussion. Passing Battlesmith on a 2+.  Shooting; Preferred Enemy Precision Shot BS5 S5 AP2 Blind 2 Shot Photon Gauntlet (12"), S8 AP1 Melta Inferno Pistol (6"), Fleshbane Flamer (Rad Cleanser), can fire 2 at once, alternatively, instantly heal one cover save providing/los blocking Castellax.  Army Boosts; Free IWND instead of Blessed Autosimulacra, +1 to Reserve rolls, acute senses, and reroll scatter, +1 Ld to Mechanicum, 3 random warlord traits from up to 3 seperate tables, Battlesmith (again).  Coming from a critical PoV, when you're looking to make it stand up against Primarchs, the 2+ Armour Save is a wash, because everything is AP2 or better. Against anything else though, the combination of IWND and 7 T8 wounds on a 2+ just doesn't jive well, especially combined with her damage output (2 turns to kill a Primarch that can't escape?)  Considering that this is homebrew, I'd edge nearer to overcosting, and say more like 650pts. After all, 2 Haywire hits, and 6 attacks on the charge against a Knight results in 5 hits, and with Armourbane, translates to 4 penetrating hits. So against a 6 HP Knight, that Knight is pretty much dead, unless it's a Cerastus Lancer with its 5++ and 5 Strength D I5 attacks.  I think that 650 is about right, as right now, the only real counter I can think of is something as niche as a pair of 2 Knight Lancers. AlphariusOmegon108 and Big Bad Squig 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4192302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I have a question: what is the most expensive Forgeworld Mechanicum character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4194174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) 295 pts archmagos inar satarael. Â ws3 bs5 S6 T6 W5 I4 A3 ld10 sv3+ Edited October 11, 2015 by AlphariusOmegon108 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4194178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Right. He doesn't even break 300 points.  So, why am I seeing a Mechanicum character breaking 500 points? I confess I've never been very interested in the Mechanicum or the Adeptus Mechanicus of 40k. Combine that with my over-extended schedule, and I haven't been keeping a close eye on the Mechanicum projects, and I apologize for that. But, I want to establish some ground rules. The Primarchs are supposed to be the pinnacle of warriors save the Emperor. Even then, only Horus reaches the 500 point level before his Daemonic upgrade, and that's solely to face off against the Emperor. So, to have a Mechanicum character to reach the height of demigods created by the Emperor himself strikes me as hurting the setting and cheapens the Primarchs. I understand the urge to create the best and the most powerful, but this is going too far.  I like having our own unique Mechanicum faction, but let's exercise some restraint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4194186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Sounds good, can the Cog Hereticia stay? I have no problem changing Xander Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4194188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 First off I'd like to apologise for going off the radar for so long. A lot's happened in the last year. That being said, I'd like to continue contributing to this project if you're still willing to have me. simison, MikhalLeNoir and Kelborn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4525176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 My lord am I happy to see you again. We would gratefully accept you back Talonair :) MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4525185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Y e s man, welcome back. Now de can finally tackle the piece we wanted to do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4525218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Welcome back Brother Talonair, boy have you got a lot to catch up on. ;) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313550-io-the-mechanicum-abyssii/page/2/#findComment-4525230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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