simison Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Here we go, this is where we'll develop the groundwork for what goes into our first rulebook. (Nobody forget the disclaimer that you need the BRB to play this!) Quick recap of the layout: Book 1 - Insurrection Lightning Bearers Iron Bears Grave Stalkers Godslayers The Drowned Scions Hospitaller Campaigns - Madrigal Purge, Kataii Ambush, [battle of Untara] For the most part, I see no reason to deviate from the Forgeworld formula of 'Intro - Campaigns - Fluff - Rules'. Now, given the legions who are getting the spotlight, I had another idea. Old Data Campaign 1 - Madrigal Purge Participants - Lightning Bearers & Halcyon Wardens Commanders - Icarion the Stormborn & Pyrrhicles the Paragon Location - Madrigal system Summary - Still aiming to complete the Insurrection as bloodlessly as possible and with Alexandros by his side, Icarion has used his influence for the entire Warden 17th Expeditionary fleet to be near Madrigal when the Insurrection explodes over the galaxy. With the Chaos gods manipulating what astrotelepathic messages they receive, Pyrrhicles is warned of the Insurrection. Seeking to combine forces with the Lightning Bearers, he has the fleet make for Madrigal. There, Icarion tries to persuade the Wardens to join his cause. Pyrrhicles renounces the Stormborn, but is shocked when a third of his fleet turns against. Seeking to warn Terra of the attack, Pyrrhicles tries to break free of the system, but Icarion is forced to stop him, leading to a major naval engagement as Icarion seals his path with blood. Campaign 2 - Death of the Bear Participants - Iron Bears, Grave Stalkers, & Godslayers Commanders - Koschei, K'awil, & Daer'dd Location - Seg. Ultima/The Ghoul Stars Summary - With the Insurrection in full gear, K'awil & Koschei have the honor of attacking the Iron Bears, specifically aiming for Daer'dd. A vicious battle breaks out as the Iron Bears rally beneath the ambush. Tragically, their primarch is cut down by Koschei. Campaign 3 - Underwater Madness Participants - The Drowned & Scions Hospitaller Commanders - Sorrowsworn Morro v. Pionus Santor Location - ??? Summary - Only two legions had mastered the art of oceanic combat. With Morro swearing upon Icarion's banner, the Stormborn sought to eliminate the Scions and secure an advantage in his galactic campaign. To prove his loyalty, Morro would be the one to strike the first blow against his close brother Santor. The rest of it should be quite easy. Fluff chapters should feature what we see in a FW book: Legion History, Legion Structure, & Exemplary Battles. We'll work on campaign rules and then feature legion/Mechanicum rules. As far as unique units & characters, I want us to observe a limit of 3 per category. I understand some have let their imagination flow and gone the extra mile, but to keep the book from becoming unwieldy, I think 3 is the ideal limit, for now. And I am open to criticism and suggestions. This is basic idea to get the ball rolling, and I'm happy to hear other ideas. Progress Report - Alpha Stage General Background: Complete! The Vizenko Prosecution: Complete! Lightning Bearers (fluff): Complete Iron Bears (fluff): Complete! Grave Stalkers (fluff): Complete! Godslayers (fluff): Complete! The Drowned (fluff): Complete! Scions Hospitaller (fluff): Complete! Beta Stage Madrigal Purge: Submitted! Death of the Bear: Submitted! Underwater Madness: In-progress (Initial Draft - Complete) Delta Stage Lightning Bearers (crunch): Needs more entries Iron Bears (crunch): Complete! Grave Stalkers (crunch): Complete! Godslayers (crunch): Complete! The Drowned (crunch): Incomplete Scions Hospitaller (crunch): Complete! Tau Stage M.P. campaign rules: Hold D.B. campaign rules: Hold U.M. campaign rules: Hold Some notes on the canon campaigns: Betrayal - Isstvan III Campaign Page lengths (not counting images) Part 1: 6 pages Part 2: 5.5 pages Part 3: 3.5 pages Altogether: 15 pages Massacre Part 1: 3 pages Part 2: 5 pages Part 3: 5 pages Extermination Part 1: 10.5 pages Part 2: 9 pages Part 3: 5 pages Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 sounds perfect man, the eagle warriors commander would be Poseko. (Lol, just noticed that the eagle warriors and their allies have ALOT of beef with the abysii, like not only their cognis friends, but also the whole legion haha) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Hmmm. Alexos neutralize gwal in The beginning. The plan was. That they are in a joint campaign and while they plan. The insurrectiom begins. Alexos knows that he cant bring gwal to join the cause overloads jis nervous system with quarith drugs. And then destroys the flagship of the wardens. The wardens of accompagnied gwal were attacked nut manage to escape. Rescue gwal. Lose a lot if men. And could flee. Druss sacrificies himself in order to buy the fleeinf wardens time. The steal a small ship and eacape with their broken primarch to caerbannog. Gwal is physically and mentally broken and cause of this they stay neutral. Would this be in book1 or book 3? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Hmmm. Alexos neutralize gwal in The beginning. The plan was. That they are in a joint campaign and while they plan. The insurrectiom begins. Alexos knows that he cant bring gwal to join the cause overloads jis nervous system with quarith drugs. And then destroys the flagship of the wardens. The wardens of accompagnied gwal were attacked nut manage to escape. Rescue gwal. Lose a lot if men. And could flee. Druss sacrificies himself in order to buy the fleeinf wardens time. The steal a small ship and eacape with their broken primarch to caerbannog. Gwal is physically and mentally broken and cause of this they stay neutral. Would this be in book1 or book 3? Hm. I wasn't aware of this change in fluff. The last I knew was that when the war breaks out, Gwal takes his Wardens to their home system to wait it out since he refuses to fight his brothers. How does Alexos accomplish this, while he's breaking the Terran wards? Why would the Wardens of Light remain neutral if they were attacked by the Eagle Warriors? I do want to address a point you implied. There are other battles and campaigns going on during this book: the Martian Civil War, the Berserkers unleashed, Kozja & Jade facing off against Azus, and so on. All of this is still happening, but it'll either be in brief mentions in the Introduction section or mentioned in later books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Alexos has two main war ships, the Tira-To and the Red Comet, Alexos is with the Tira-To and a delegation of eagle warriors (3k warriors) on a campaign with the main Warden fleet. Alexos gets a message from Icarion about the exact plan for the insurection, alexos then invites Gwal to maybe turn him sneakily. Alexos tells Gwal about the insurection and they get in a discussion, and then Alexos poisens Gwal VERY badly in a panic with his strongest poisen and lets the Tira-To destroy a large warden force and then flees,Gwal gets of barely just in time. Alexos then directly starts to break the Big-E's wards, so binding him to the throne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Okay, a couple of questions there, but first, are the Wardens of Light still going to be Neutral for most of the war? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Because of this the alliance with the eagles had to cjange to closest brother. Gwal is taken out by quaritg drugs. The wardens flee and they sent a signal to all other wardens ship to gather. But the shock of his brother attscking him. A war between the insurrrectionists and the loyals is too much on gwals damaged soul. Although he was attscked he is not somebody who wants revrnge. He is sad thst it has come to this. Thst the plan of his father lies shattered before him. And he wants no part in killing his own kin. That is the reason he pulled out. And the wardens especially the terran born grow impatient and they leave without their fathers consent So they stay neutral. I just habe given Gwal a reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Okay, when do the other Terran Wardens leave? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Before the siege. They leave to defend terrA. And this lets Gwal rethink his actions or better nonaction. And he realizes that standing out of the conflict was wrong. That he must pic a side. And he chooses the side of his sons. In the aftermath he leaves his children alone, although the imperium was saved, it was not saved for him. The wardens remain split but that is another story Storywise it would be best to have him appear and you don't know what he is up to. But i think in a legion book thst is not so easy to describe. So it all stays the same only the connection to alexos is deeper and we got more insight in gwals character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's a different angle than what I was expecting, but alright. May I suggest that when the Eagle Warriors open fire and kill a bunch of the Wardens, that Alexos uses their deaths to fuel his ritual to enter the Warp and destroy the Terran wards? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's a different angle than what I was expecting, but alright. May I suggest that when the Eagle Warriors open fire and kill a bunch of the Wardens, that Alexos uses their deaths to fuel his ritual to enter the Warp and destroy the Terran wards? They do yes, and sure, all deaths are welcome in rituals ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Oh. I like that. What were you expecting by the way? The whole thing changed, when AlphariusOmegon and Myself worked on our duel story to be honest. Maybe we should have made it then clear Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Normally, when a warrior is attacked, vengeance is the typical response. But, I understand Gwal has a heavy pacifist vibe. So, carry on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yeah. He would firstly ask himself what was the reason that this all happened. Could he have avoided this? Maybe we all should be vegans then nothing of this would have happened Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Campaign 2 - Death of the Bear Participants - Iron Bears, Grave Stalkers, & Godslayers Commanders - Koschei, K'awil, & Daer'dd Location - Seg. Ultima [Gates of Varl? The Ghoul Stars? Option C?] Summary - With the Insurrection in full gear, K'awil & Koschei have the honor of attacking the Iron Bears, specifically aiming for Daer'dd. A vicious battle breaks out as the Iron Bears rally beneath the ambush. Tragically, their primarch is cut down by Koschei. If the Godslayers are being put into book 1, that's got to mean, from a fluff point of view, that the legion will already be in a fully zombified state (otherwise the book would be filled with pointless rules and characters that would have to be updated later anyway). In the current continuity, the legion 'catches' the zombie plague after Koschei ascends. I'm assuming that you don't want daemon primarchs in book one. Thus, if daemon Koschei is not allowed in book 1, I propose this as an alternative: there are rules for a partially ascended Koschei in book 1 (around the 500 pt mark - something that should be OK as we have normal primarchs at that points level already and Koschei is ?the weakest? of all of the primarchs currently). Koschei has not ascended fully because the only way for him to fully ascend is to die and then to turn. Perhaps Koschei has family on Zbruch or trusted attendants within the legion that Nurgle is keeping the plague away from to ensure his compliance (thus allowing the Godslayers to have unique characters), which dissuades him from killing himself to be blessed by the gods, as it shows him that he still has something to live for, despite his legion having been taken from him. Just on a side note, if these loved ones were then killed by either Nurgle or the loyalists (who will probably get around to virus bombing Zbruch at some point), or if he sees that the life they live under Nurgle's thumb is not one worth living, it might make an interesting end to Koschei's story (as that remains undecided). As he is already partially broken by the death of his entire legion, that could set him over the edge, meaning he kills himself and ascends, ready for the siege of Terra. Alternatively, he could stay alive but be determined to hunt down all those who he blamed for the deaths of his sons. Alternatively again, it could mean he 'sees the error of his ways' and kills all remaining members of his legion, along with himself (something that he would view as merciful), or he could do what Azus will do in the canonverse, and send himself into extragalactic exile. I do want to address a point you implied. There are other battles and campaigns going on during this book: the Martian Civil War, the Berserkers unleashed, Kozja & Jade facing off against Azus, and so on. All of this is still happening, but it'll either be in brief mentions in the Introduction section or mentioned in later books. On the Kozja, Jade and Azus thing, do we know how that will go? I had envisioned some massed slaughter of the Dune Serpents at the very beginning, from which Azus and any survivors flee. Thoughts, those involved? Although, probably best to contemplate this issue further in the Insurrectionists thread, so as not to clog up this one with unnecessary details. Long, long post. Sincerest apologies. Over and out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Its fine. Long posts can be very helpful. In all honesty, I saw no issue for having the Daemon Primarch profiles being included later books after the original Primarch's debuted. It's what we suspect FW would do, and it's not too much of a hassle. Massacre offers an example of legion updates after their original debut. I actually planned on both profiles being available for all the Daemon Primarchs. Fluff-wise, only the Eagle Warriors should be showing any signs of corruption in Insurrection and that's because of Alexo's zeal in corrupting his legion once the Emperor returns to Terra. Now, Squig, you mention something that's bothering me. Do we really have normal Primarchs above the 500 point level? I still have trouble doing anything more than scans of the individual legion threads. We're not talking about Primarchs still being worked on, are we? I know at least one of you specifically aims high before bringing it back down to Earth. As for the Azus battle for survival, I hadn't given it much thought yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I know of no flesh-and-blood primarchs that are over 500 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 From all the primarchs actual here.none is anove 500. Highest cost are pionius, gwal and the jade general. Morro is kinda overworked from raktra if I remember it right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Fluff-wise, only the Eagle Warriors should be showing any signs of corruption in Insurrection and that's because of Alexo's zeal in corrupting his legion once the Emperor returns to Terra. Now, Squig, you mention something that's bothering me. Do we really have normal Primarchs above the 500 point level? I still have trouble doing anything more than scans of the individual legion threads. We're not talking about Primarchs still being worked on, are we? I know at least one of you specifically aims high before bringing it back down to Earth. I was just thinking Hectarion, Pionus etc. That was when I last checked on them, so they could well have evolved since then. And, even then the highest was 500 (Hectarion? Niklaas?). Also, does this mean no to the zombie plague during the fight with the iron bears? Or have I misunderstood you? Whether or not the plaguewalkers show up against Daerdd doesn't particularly matter to me; if they do, it means that the Godslayers will become a very elite army, like the bears themselves. If not, the killing of Daerdd could start Koschei's path to ascension, gaining Nurgle Koschei's trust before he infects his legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 No zombies at the start of the Insurrection. I agree that Daer'dd's should be the catalyst that leads to Nurgle corruption. By the time the zombie plague arrives, we should be in the middle of the Insurrection And I'm heartened to hear that our Primarchs are behaving, point-wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well, to be honest, I was not really aware of this part of the community, unless Mikhal told me. Now, after reading some threads, something here, something there and this thread about rulebooks with fluf.... :jaw: I can guarantee that you have found your first reader, outside of your team. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Just stay a fan of the bling yes? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 As good as all these idea's are for the layout and content of book 1(seriously, all these idea's sound awesome) do we have any idea who's doing what? Or how we're going to get artwork for this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Grifft can do the actual pdf pages in FW-style. As far as actual art, I don't know. I exhausted my funds to get Alex's current picture, and I'm not going to be able to do anything like that until after the holiday season. Now, the actual text I'm much more confident on. I assumed that everyone would provide for their own legion chapters and rule sections. I assumed I or Hesh would be doing the heavy duty work of writing out the Introduction and Campaign fluff. I'd be happy to share the responsibility as it is. We just need to make sure we keep everything coordinated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Grifft provided me with the necessary indesign templates so I can layout as well. But what we need is an graphic artist. Willing to work for free. At least somebody who could make all color schemes in the forgeworld style. And add legion specific things like shields to the crimson lions or skirts to the wardens of light etc. Maybe someone here knows somebody? Who are the guys who helped athrawes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/#findComment-4206732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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