appiah4 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Begun, the Skyhammer 40,000 has.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, thoughts on that last one? Or no one want to touch it with a 10 foot pole!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I actually rather like it. I've always loved the idea of Drop Podding devastators and actually advocated the use of Drop Podding Multi-Melta Devastator squads way before Skyhammer so I love the whole idea of it. I currently have 2 Devastator squads and 2 Drop Pods, and would actually field it if I ended up getting 2 ASM at some point.. The thing is, it's so goddamn OP that the idea kind of makes me feel dirty. Otherwise, great list. I wouldn't have gone with the same Devastator weapon choices, though. My preference would have been 4x Plasma Cannons and 4x Multi-Melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 How do you rule Wraithknight with a toe in cover? Do they still get 4+ in ruins when touching the base? I think the list will have huge problems against battle company and khorne daemonkin especially. Skyhammer is really nice, but can be easy to counter as they are very squishy per point, the pinning is nice when you get to use it. I'd personally just go with a red battle company, but i'm kinda biased since thats the list i'm practicing for our Norwegian championship in January (a red DA battle company). Any idea what the missions are yet? Edit: I'd just go with a poweraxe or meltaboms on the ASM squads. I dont think the evisc is worth it. Btw it seems your list has no BA troops, is one of the ASM meant to be a tactical? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let us know how the play test goes with the "old" list. It's quite possible he's not following this thread so you may thrown him off the scent by doing so ;) Btw, last weekend I charged a Wraithknight with my FLD without Force up and knocked off three wounds. In return it knocked off 1 HP and then stomped me... So you need both Quickening and Force for the FLD, whilst Mephiston needs Sword, Force and Quickening 0.o Obvious yes, but it needs stating to show how tricky it is to down three of them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 WKs will likely get the "toe-in" rule. I really want to keep to BA theme. If worse comes to worst i'll consider whipping out the DA again :P (the prize support is phenomenal, and its ranked). But, ya....will see how goes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 I actually rather like it. I've always loved the idea of Drop Podding devastators and actually advocated the use of Drop Podding Multi-Melta Devastator squads way before Skyhammer so I love the whole idea of it. I currently have 2 Devastator squads and 2 Drop Pods, and would actually field it if I ended up getting 2 ASM at some point.. The thing is, it's so goddamn OP that the idea kind of makes me feel dirty. Otherwise, great list. I wouldn't have gone with the same Devastator weapon choices, though. My preference would have been 4x Plasma Cannons and 4x Multi-Melta. I need the grav for the WKs though! ><; Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 In truth, I don't think using formations such as Skyhammer is un-fluffy. Blood Angels are Codex Astartes-compliant, they have the units and equipment to utilise the tactic – so why not?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ironically, i think its one of the most fluffy and competitive (non-)BA detachments there is out there. also, it actually works out to be a (near) perfect BA demi company! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let us know how the play test goes with the "old" list. It's quite possible he's not following this thread so you may thrown him off the scent by doing so Btw, last weekend I charged a Wraithknight with my FLD without Force up and knocked off three wounds. In return it knocked off 1 HP and then stomped me... So you need both Quickening and Force for the FLD, whilst Mephiston needs Sword, Force and Quickening 0.o Obvious yes, but it needs stating to show how tricky it is to down three of them What is an FLD? Flying Librarian Dreadnougt? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Furioso :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I will an blood angely painted skyhammer. With 2mm 2 grav and the other with 4 ML or 2 ML 2 LasCa and combat squadding each team. The weaponchoices are limited to this and plas,a cannons. But i´m no big fan of plasma blasts. (could field max 3 x plasma). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Furioso But isnt it just called Librarian Dread? That F was a little confusing XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 It's definitely Furioso Librarian Dreadnought in my codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Sure? I prechecked it in the english codex (E-Paper version!) before my post. There he stand with just Librarian Dreadnought. Also in the Profile at the back. ö.Ö Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenderDead Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Does the Scorpius have 40k approved rules / experimental or is it HH only? Our FLGS does not allow HH units, but does allow 1 IA unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 There's a Relic Scorpius in IA2 2nd edition, which is for 40k use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryCanadian Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If you do go the allies route I'd be interested to see Red Scorpions with Sevrin Loth ( i think you have mentioned using them previously) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4216986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 I do like Loth! And have used him in my cheesy beard challenge army (where I was asked to play my version of a cent-star). Not really my vibe, and dont like relying on invisy too much! Latest reworking thanks to all here is this: Chaplain - auspex, veritas Librarian Dread - MG, Magna, Lvl1 5x TAC - HF 1 x Razor -las/plas 5x TAC - HF 1 x Razor -las/plas5x SCT - Rifles Scorpius - ignore coverSicaran Raven - Extra Armour SKYHAMMER (UM Tactics) 5x ASM - Vet, Maul, MB5x ASM - Maul, MB10x DEV - 2x GravCan, 2x MM (these will CS every turn)1x Pod5x DEV - 3x GravCan (Chap likely to go here if i need auspex)1x Pod Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagunio Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 SCT are scouts? What's their role here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Sadly Librarian Furioso can´t take magna grapples. :/ Scouts are okay for objektive camping. But i prefer CC Scouts with meltabombs. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 SCT are scouts? What's their role here? Just rear guard claimers and an additional troop choice. Sadly Librarian Furioso can´t take magna grapples. :/ Booo :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Unless you're using the Scouts as objective grabbers in the Raven (for which role CC weaponry would be better) I would suggest ditching them altogether in favor of upping the second Devastator squad to 10 bodies and combat squadding them into two squads of 2 Grav Cannons, or maybe even turning them into 2xGC 2xMM as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Unless you're using the Scouts as objective grabbers in the Raven (for which role CC weaponry would be better) I would suggest ditching them altogether in favor of upping the second Devastator squad to 10 bodies and combat squadding them into two squads of 2 Grav Cannons, or maybe even turning them into 2xGC 2xMM as well. They'll be camping at the back in cover providing a little cover fire. I'm not against that idea entirely, though, the suggestion you have requires me finding an additional 20 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Scouts aren't so bad, they can lay a couple saves on the WKs hopefully! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315473-all-ba-all-the-way-1850-tournament/page/3/#findComment-4217587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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