Your wait is soon over, brothers... Edit - WS and BA added!

[1000 Sons]

The World Eaters can't be controlled and wouldn't obey like the Wolves.  Russ was a good dog on a tight leash.

[Adra'Melek]

The way I see the Wolves were used to punish world that rebelled. If the leadership turned on the Emperor, the Wolves were unleashed, they tore the planet a new one and they stayed loyal subsequently.  The Eaters were sent in when they didn't want to cow the planet with a show of terrible ferocity.  They were sent when the entire planet needed to be cleansed (Edit: because that is what was going to happen regardless of orders, echoing 1000 Sons above)

 

As for the bit about brother Legions, we know they took arms against the World Eaters.  That is enough for the whispers.

 

(Oh and I'n definitely doing a Space Wolf army. War Hounds on one side and Space Wolves on the other).

[Calas Typhon]

The World Eaters can't be controlled and wouldn't obey like the Wolves.  Russ was a good dog on a tight leash.

 

Yeah the World Eaters could not be controlled, but the War Hounds could have. They could have been given the role of executioner, which would have been taken away with the emergence of Angron.

[Slips]

The way I see the Wolves were used to punish world that rebelled. If the leadership turned on the Emperor, the Wolves were unleashed, they tore the planet a new one and they stayed loyal subsequently.  The Eaters were sent in when they didn't want to cow the planet with a show of terrible ferocity.  They were sent when the entire planet needed to be cleansed (Edit: because that is what was going to happen regardless of orders, echoing 1000 Sons above)

 

As for the bit about brother Legions, we know they took arms against the World Eaters.  That is enough for the whispers.

 

(Oh and I'n definitely doing a Space Wolf army. War Hounds on one side and Space Wolves on the other).

Cry Havoc and let loose the hounds of war?

[Brother Heinrich]

Though I will say when it comes to punishing mortals through violence, none does it better than the VIII ;)

 

I feel like the wolves are unfortunately caught in a place with a role that doesn't quite fit, like they keep trying to make sense of them and get them to fulfill a role that is already filled by others. Hell the white scars are the closest thing to the soul of the wolves and yet they are comfortable in their niche as "the outsiders" they embrace archaic and tribalistic customs and eschew their place in the wider imperium, something the wolves could easily get on board with if not for the bizarre relationship Russ has with the hearth world.

 

They are like caged and chained wolves, restrained from their tree nature they are a shadow of what they could be. Hence why the AL runs a train on them.

[Marshal Rohr]

These look like photoshops using the posters from open day.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

if they are legit than I am very happy. 

 

my patience is not legendary, like my modesty, and has grown thin. 

 

I want the Vlka Fenryka!

 

WLK

[rendingon1+]

Can someone translate/explain what does "Fidelitas Tenebrae" mean? I have a feeling that it's utter gibberish.

 

Also Allegiance: Excoriate makes no sense at all. English is not my language but how can you use word "censured" (that's what excoriated means am I right?) to describe "loyaltyy level"?

 

As much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Marshal Rohr about photoshop.

[Brother Captain Lucian]

Damm i hoped for something White Scar related :p

[Calas Typhon]

Though I will say when it comes to punishing mortals through violence, none does it better than the VIII

Well it was their job after all, more or less!

Pretty safe to say though, they would not have made the right executioners for the Emperor:

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first,

last, and always!"

—Jago Sevatarion, speaking about his VIII^th Legion

[depthcharge12]

YEAH BABY YEAHHHHHH!!!

[Ordo Machinum]

Sure... NOW they're due to come out... right after I decided on Iron Hands!

Oh, the flesh IS weak... shattered legions for EVERYONE!

 

Thousand Sons do look cool...

[Sol_Invictus]

Can someone translate/explain what does "Fidelitas Tenebrae" mean? I have a feeling that it's utter gibberish.

 

Also Allegiance: Excoriate makes no sense at all. English is not my language but how can you use word "censured" (that's what excoriated means am I right?) to describe "loyaltyy level"?

 

As much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Marshal Rohr about photoshop.

 

Google Translate says "Fidelity Darkness" for DA and "Fidelity without resorting" for SW... Both seem a bit odd.

[Brother Heinrich]

Though I will say when it comes to punishing mortals through violence, none does it better than the VIII

Well it was their job after all, more or less!

Pretty safe to say though, they would not have made the right executioners for the Emperor:

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first,

last, and always!"

—Jago Sevatarion, speaking about his VIII^th Legion

[Olis]

Can someone translate/explain what does "Fidelitas Tenebrae" mean? I have a feeling that it's utter gibberish.

 

Also Allegiance: Excoriate makes no sense at all. English is not my language but how can you use word "censured" (that's what excoriated means am I right?) to describe "loyaltyy level"?

 

As much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Marshal Rohr about photoshop.

 

To my knowledge, Excoriate does not mean to censure (but it's does mean to criticise).

 

From Google:

Excoriate

ɪkˈskɔːrɪeɪt,ɛks-/Submit

verb

past tense: excoriated; past participle: excoriated

 

1.

MEDICINE

damage or remove part of the surface of (the skin).

"the discharge is acrid and excoriates the skin of the nose"

synonyms: abrade, rub away, rub off, rub raw, scrape, scratch, chafe, damage; More

 

2.

formal

criticize (someone) severely.

"he excoriated the government for censorship"

 

 

 

Also, from Google, Fidelitas Tenebrae roughly translates to "The fidelity of Darkness." Seeing as it's google translate I suggest treating that translation with a pinch of salt. Also, seeing as GW use dog-Latin, you could theoretically say that it could mean something like 'Untrustworthy'. It's a little bit a of a crap shoot, really.

[Spinsanity]

The tree loyalty levels seem to reveal quite alot...

 

That the XV were classed as Criticized, Censured or whatever, rather than Traitoris, distinguishes them quite well from the other traitors.

 

The distinction between the VIth's "Loyalty without recourse" (personal assumption, didn't even run GTrans) vs the Ist's "Obscured Loyalty" also says much regarding the imperial view of the two Legions' loyalty (while one seems cut in stone, the other seems uncertain).

[Lord Tharand]

The tree loyalty levels seem to reveal quite alot...

 

That the XV were classed as Criticized, Censured or whatever, rather than Traitoris, distinguishes them quite well from the other traitors.

 

The distinction between the VIth's "Loyalty without recourse" (personal assumption, didn't even run GTrans) vs the Ist's "Obscured Loyalty" also says much regarding the imperial view of the two Legions' loyalty (while one seems cut in stone, the other seems uncertain).

 

I think it has a lot to do with where we are in regards to the BL novels.  The Ist Legion has not been heard from by the wider Imperium since the outbreak of hostilities.  The readers knows that they're split into two forces but the High Lords and Emperor might not know that.  Also, the VIth is clearly known to be loyalist since Russ is all over the place doing stuff.

[rendingon1+]

Can someone translate/explain what does "Fidelitas Tenebrae" mean? I have a feeling that it's utter gibberish.

Also Allegiance: Excoriate makes no sense at all. English is not my language but how can you use word "censured" (that's what excoriated means am I right?) to describe "loyaltyy level"?

As much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Marshal Rohr about photoshop.

To my knowledge, Excoriate does not mean to censure (but it's does mean to criticise).

From Google:

Excoriate

ɪkˈskɔːrɪeɪt,ɛks-/Submit

verb

past tense: excoriated; past participle: excoriated

1.

MEDICINE

damage or remove part of the surface of (the skin).

"the discharge is acrid and excoriates the skin of the nose"

synonyms: abrade, rub away, rub off, rub raw, scrape, scratch, chafe, damage; More

2.

formal

criticize (someone) severely.

"he excoriated the government for censorship"

Also, from Google, Fidelitas Tenebrae roughly translates to "The fidelity of Darkness." Seeing as it's google translate I suggest treating that translation with a pinch of salt. Also, seeing as GW use dog-Latin, you could theoretically say that it could mean something like 'Untrustworthy'. It's a little bit a of a crap shoot, really.

Still doesn't make sense. Thanks for the definition however- next time I'll use a dictionary.

Well, no, you can't translate it into "uthrustworty" because even by GW abused pseudo latin standards "tenebrae" has nothing to do with "trust".

. They are quite "literal" in using latin words. And instead of "Fidelity of Darkness" it could be translted as "Fidelity in Darkness". And yes I take it with a very large pinch of salt. Last thing:

The first Legion created by the Emperor, the Dark Angels Legion set out on the Great Crusade to reclaim humanity’s lost worlds long before their Primarch, Lion El’Jonson, was found on Caliban. As the treachery of the Horus Heresy was revealed, the Dark Angels stood firm, turning their martial prowess to the Imperium’s defence against their treacherous brothers.

It is from FW site. I don't think that HH VI will countermand it. That's why fidelitas tenebrae sounds idiotic (whatever they mean by that).

I think it has a lot to do with where we are in regards to the BL novels. The Ist Legion has not been heard from by the wider Imperium since the outbreak of hostilities. The readers knows that they're split into two forces but the High Lords and Emperor might not know that. Also, the VIth is clearly known to be loyalist since Russ is all over the place doing stuff.

Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines were out of contact with Terra too. And Ultramarines are Fidelitas Constantus.

[Grimdarkness]

Next to the blood red word bearer's the crusade era D.A have to be the best looking of the legion's.

[Olis]

Well, me saying 'untrustworthy' was just a (poorly chosen) example of what the phrase could potentially mean. Dog-Latin does have a tendency to mean something sufficiently different to the literal translation to cause a bit of head scratching sometimes.

[Lord Blackwood]

Yay wolves. Yay executioner theme. Yay pelts and totems !

 

Need to hurry up and finish my Fists/Proto Templars

[Big Bad Squig]

Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod!!!

 

I'm calm.

Definitely.

[noigrim]

fidelitas-"trust" tenebrae-genitive "of shadows" or dative "to the shadow" more likely

 

so it would be a trust in the shadow infliltration theme I guess

 

and why the "e tenebrae lux" is called that, in latin there is no "e"

[Plasmablasts]

"E" means "from, out of". However, if my rusty, twenty-plus year old Latin is correct, it should be followed by the ablative case, which would be "tenebra" (singular) or "tenebris" (plural).

[noigrim]

"E" means "from, out of". However, if my rusty, twenty-plus year old Latin is correct, it should be followed by the ablative case, which would be "tenebra" (singular) or "tenebris" (plural).

more like "ex"