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Russ was sent to "arrest" Magnus and Horus was the one who gave Russ the push to actually "execute" him, so that he would be forced to join the traitors. Russ wasn't suppose to be the executioner in this case.

 

Not that I disagree with the role, I like Russ as the guy who does the dirty jobs.

 

On topic: those posters are cool, Id like to see all the Legions done.

Liking the allegiance variations. Gotta agree with Olis, GW uses dog-latin and chooses words on how they sound and look over accuracy. The intended meaning is almost never the literal translation.

 

For the White Scars, it looks like they are going for "divided loyalty," which is really interesting. Either it's due to the perception of the Scars that the wider Imperium has, or they're going to expand/focus on their period of indecisiveness and internal struggle.

 

For the Dark Angels, I'd assume they mean "shrouded loyalty," or simply that it is not known at this time for sure. In context, I'd say it implies more trust than what they give the Scars.

Interesting cognomens here. 'Sons of Thule' for the WS. In the 31st millennium, Thule could maybe be Iceland? Or some other new location.

 

'Hell Riders' is an interesting term for the BA 1st company. I have a vague feeling this has some sort of RT-era antecedent but nothing is coming to mind... Anyone?

I was actually thinking Thule might be a prominent Legion Commander.

 

The Hell Riders are new to me as well.

 

I really do love these prior cognomen, to the point that I actually wish they hadn't said in the very beginning that it was mostly the traitors-to-be that had full on name changes.

Thule has been identified variously as different Northern and Scandinavian lands and islands. Poetically, it implies somewhere on the boundaries of the known world ("Ultima [furthest] Thule"). With that resonance, it would fit well with the Scars ranging out to the edge of the galaxy.

The Blood Angels and White Scars look amazing. Surprised 'Vylka Fenryka' isn't listed as a Cognomen for the Space Wolves.

 

ADB's story, 'Howl of the Hearthworld', about the Watch-pack sent to Terra, where the traditions and naming cultures of the Wolves make no sense to cleric ('prelate'!) sent by Malcador who meets them, suggests that Terran bureaucracy doesn't much understand (or care to understand) the local traditions of the Rout. The description of 'informal and idiomatic' cognomen seems a perfect description for the Wurgen (battle-cant) term, Vlka Fenryka, from a similar functionary. 

 

 

The first to speak was Laughing Jaurmag. He was a scarred old greybeard, his armour encrusted with bronze runes in one of the several dozen regional tongues of his hearthworld Fenris.

He was warlord of Cry of the Grieving Dragon, respected jarl of Tolv, and once this foolish exile was a thing of the past he would fight for his place once again. He had been given his Fenrisian deed-name by smiling kinsmen who believed that his humour was as bleak and cold as the frost that clung to the Aett’s battlements. Before this day, he led six hundred men to war beneath alien suns and alien moons, shedding oceans of foeblood for the Russ and the Allfather. Now he stood with Howl of the Hearthworld, oath-sworn to them during the banishment they now shared.
But he said none of this. These weren’t things for outlanders to hear.
Instead, he gave a name and a rank that meant almost nothing to anyone within his Legion.
‘My name is Jaurmag,’ he said. ‘Chapter Master of the Grieving Dragon and commander of the Twelfth Great Company.’
Prelate Quilym Yei licked his thin lips as he wrote the words down. He evidently missed the mocking smiles that the Wolves shared with one another.

"E" means "from, out of". However, if my rusty, twenty-plus year old Latin is correct, it should be followed by the ablative case, which would be "tenebra" (singular) or "tenebris" (plural).

You have it right. "e tenebris lux" would be grammatically correct.

 

Polemarch Julius, Lit Hum Graduate and occasional show off :p

The way I see the Wolves were used to punish world that rebelled. If the leadership turned on the Emperor, the Wolves were unleashed, they tore the planet a new one and they stayed loyal subsequently.  The Eaters were sent in when they didn't want to cow the planet with a show of terrible ferocity.  They were sent when the entire planet needed to be cleansed (Edit: because that is what was going to happen regardless of orders, echoing 1000 Sons above)

 

As for the bit about brother Legions, we know they took arms against the World Eaters.  That is enough for the whispers.

 

(Oh and I'n definitely doing a Space Wolf army. War Hounds on one side and Space Wolves on the other).

 

  If you read the World Eaters fluff from Betrayal it actually says the Warhounds were kept back during the initial stages of the Great Crusade, quite possibly as a reserve against treachery by otherwise loyal armies (one assumes this would include the astartes and the Mechanicum). My supposition would be that a conbination of the finding of Leman Russ, and the increasing reports of Warhound savegery actually switched the Emperor's choice from the Warhounds to the Space Wolves as his favoured agents of righteous punishment.

 

 

 

Can someone translate/explain what does "Fidelitas Tenebrae" mean? I have a feeling that it's utter gibberish.

 

Also Allegiance: Excoriate makes no sense at all. English is not my language but how can you use word "censured" (that's what excoriated means am I right?) to describe "loyaltyy level"?

 

As much as it pains me I'm inclined to agree with Marshal Rohr about photoshop.

 

Google Translate says "Fidelity Darkness" for DA and "Fidelity without resorting" for SW... Both seem a bit odd.

 

 

 

Google translate is doing you a miss-service. Tenebrae does translate to 'darkness' but it's actual use in latin is more to do with specifically the darkness or shadows of night time, I would translate it more along the line 'shadowed loyalty' or 'darkened loyalty'. It's much more along the lines of an absence of light or clarity, rather than 'darkness' as we would define it in English.

 

Edit: In terms of the dark angels I would surmise that the usage is intended to convey the unknown aspect of the Legion's loyalty, in particular the unknown element of Caliban (thus the Knights Errant being dispatched there by Malcador) but alongside the belief that the Lion would remain loyal.

 

Excoriate comes from 'ex' (off) and 'corium' (skin or flesh), thus to excoriate means literally to 'remove (flay would be more precise) the skin'. In more contextual latin I believe it would indeed mean 'to censure', as whipping was a well known punishment, particularly in the later Roman legions and especially of auxiliary troops recruited from conquered lands, or course, for slaves.

 

Edit: In the context of the Thousand Sons, 'censured' would seem an apt description, at least in an entry designed to reflect the Legion immediately post-Istvaan.

Semper ubi sub ubi!

That is the extent of what I recall from Latin class... smile.png

Really all, Sun_Unconquered?

lol! Technically I picked that up in history class.

Probably from late roman empire with all the sun worship of the period and the emperor Aurelian who recogized it. The chirstians still won, burn heretics 'n stuff...

The dictionary says that e is synonim to ex so you could use both and the ablative tenebris is right too

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