Dominus Maniple

[Tiger9gamer]

So we all know the formation that is coming out next saturday, and the leaked pictures show the formation's  special rules.

 

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1452017929968.png

 

So with the formation consisting of the starter box's set, and with the rules already leaked, what do you guys think of the rules?

 

 

(also forgive me if I did something wrong. if I did I will edit accordingly)

[Terminus]

Icarus Onager, Rangers with arc rifles, Magos with Rainment of techno argue. Great flier deterrent.

[CommodusXIII]

You can't take Rangers in the Dominus Maniple, only Vanguard.

[mmimzie]

Even GW know rangers suck... Jk jk

 

 

Yeah anti air is your best bet here.

 

It's also the cheapest way to add an extra dominus to your army. Dominus rock as they are the perfect "transport" for any cult mech/skitarii unit. Passing out wounds, soaking damage, and healing like a boss all rock. This is what I'll mainly be using the formation for. As I generally ignore air units of kill them with Cognis robots.

 

Also I think until this rumored combined codex comes out. It's mandatory for any skitarii only force. Finally a warlord that won't just did. Plus it gives you a skit unit that won't die if some one sneezes in thier direction.

 

As for the dunecrawler I say keep him cheap. I really don't care for expensive lone dunecrawlers. To many armies can remove 4 lone crawlers in a turn. Plus if he's cheap and crappy. Makes for a great unit that can sit on an objective all game and just be ignored.

[Tiger9gamer]

Well I'm thinking this would be perfect for my skitarii rhinos idea, as right now i'm taking everything in that formation already, plus they are inside a vehicle that can go fast. Really the re-rolling to hit is just the whipped cream on the sunday. 

[march10k]

sundae

[Dawnstrider]

This also has implications for plasma and Arquebus with the rerolls to hit outside of the Doctrinas. Perhaps not enough to redeem the Arquebus in some eyes, but a help nonetheless. I suspect this is why the formations doesn't allow for Rangers. To many precision shots in GW's estimation.

[CommodusXIII]

Hitting was never the problem with the Arquebus - it's the 50% chance of failing to wound.

[Dawnstrider]

More precision shots means that those times you do wound, it is a more valuable wound. Like I said, not enough to redeem, but it helps is worth consideration.

[Terminus]

If you make that unit the Warlord for preferred enemy, they are slightly better at wounding stuff.

[CommodusXIII]

Preferred Enemy is a Detachment benefit of the Skitarii Maniple, so it wouldn't apply to the Dominus Maniple.

 

EDIT:  Misunderstood your point.  Yes, that would help a little.  I'd rather use Preferred Enemy to prevent my plasma caliver Vanguard from frying themselves, though.

[Terminus]

Getting to-hit re-rolls is easy. You get two turns of ballistic skill 6 or 7.

[CommodusXIII]

That's less than half the game, and with a total of nine shots per shooting phase overheating is a likelihood.  I don't have any allied psykers, so other than lucky rolls with Mysterious Objectives or the odd Fortification ammo dump, Preferred Enemy is the best option for me.  Besides, re-rolling to wound helps make sure that whatever they're aiming at stays down.

[Tiger9gamer]

well I played it today and the re-roll is not that bad. It saved a plasma gunner from getting fried by his own gun and it helped kill off a viper with an icarius onager. Again though I fear for turn 1 mobility with the lack of scout, as it seems like it could be a handicap. Maybe I need to play more non-unbound skitarii.

[CommodusXIII]

If anyone is buying multiple boxes of the Dominus Maniple, I'd like to buy one of your Dataslate sheets off of you.  I collect the hardcopy version of the rules but already have several sets of the box contents already.

[Terminus]

You are probably winning the game if you get three solid turns of fire with the vanguard. You won't be using them first or maybe even second turn. Still, calivers are just as good against most fliers as arc rifles, so cognis buff from the Dominus is clutch. Thankfully, he doesn't have to be the warlord to get the perk.

[MajorNese]

Again though I fear for turn 1 mobility with the lack of scout, as it seems like it could be a handicap. Maybe I need to play more non-unbound skitarii.

The dominus maniple is just the 3 units afaik, so having a regular skitarii detachment gives you more units with scout. The magos could even join a scouting unit from the other detachment, just the vanguard and onager would have to play 2nd rank at first. Which isn't that bad, as the first turns the other skitarii gain +3 BS, and take the brunt of the opponent's firepower. When the imperatives run low, the formation reroll still works, so prefer to sacrifice the other skitarii when it becomes necessary.

[Frater Cornelius]

Damn, for 400ish pts you get pretty damn decent AA. Reducing cover by 1, reroll to hit. Arc to down flyers and Cancer Guns against FMC, supported by the Onager. Me gusta bien.

[DarkAkra]

If anyone is buying multiple boxes of the Dominus Maniple, I'd like to buy one of your Dataslate sheets off of you.  I collect the hardcopy version of the rules but already have several sets of the box contents already.

 

If your in Australia I can post one to you.  No charge ;)

[Master Avoghai]

Just a question about the Onager.

 

Do you think we are obliged to field jusr one vehicle per formation or does the entry entry mean 1 unit of 1-3 onagers?

[mmimzie]

it is only a single onager, as the  formation says "1 onager dunecrawler" and not "1 Unit of onager dunecrawlers" which can be referenced agaisnt a battle maniple to show that there is a difference.

[Master Avoghai]

Yes but actually the entry name is "Onager Dunecrawler" and not "Onager Dunecrawler unit"

 

Same thing for the dreadnought in the gladius : it's 0-1 but you can take a unit of 3 if you wish.

 

And for the techmarine in the different formations : you can field a techmarine alone OR with his servitors.

[mmimzie]

Yes but actually the entry name is "Onager Dunecrawler" and not "Onager Dunecrawler unit"

 

Same thing for the dreadnought in the gladius : it's 0-1 but you can take a unit of 3 if you wish.

 

And for the techmarine in the different formations : you can field a techmarine alone OR with his servitors.

The fact that battle maniple says "1 unit of onager dunecrawlers" and the starter formation says only "1 onager dunecrawler" is pretty clear.

 

The dreadnought thing you speak of I have to reconfirm, but I'm pretty sure in the formations I say it expressly said it was a sqaudron.

 

Also dominus maniple shows its using the unit notation by saying the skitarii are a "unit of vanguard"

 

I get that you might want it to be a unit of onagers. I want it to be a unit of onagers as well but that's just not the case scoffin

 

Edit: also the skitarii book unit entry is "onager dunecrawlers" and not "onager dunecrawler" which is another disappoint nail in the unit of crawlers coffin

[Master Avoghai]

Thank you sir.

 

That's for this type of documented answer that I've asked the question ;)

[Joasht]

Just a rule clarification as I do not currently have the Cult Mechanicus book with me; if the Dominus joins the unit of Skitarii,then I get to pull both the Canticles and Doctrina Imperatives (but only the Dominus benefits from the Canticles, and the Skitarii benefits only from the Doctrina)? I don't recall the Canticles though, so perhaps it's of extremely minimal use when there's only one model that benefits from it.