Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Had a flip through the updated red book. Only just noticed the added Iron Circle! Nice to see that the Shield Wall rule has been amended slightly for the Phalanx Wardens. Instead of granting +1 initiative if the unit has at least 5 models, they now get +1 Weapon Skill. The rule also applies to Characters and curbed lay models within the unit as well...hello, WS8 Sigismund ...Pray Tell, theres been a dearth of Imperial Fists info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Had a flip through the updated red book. Only just noticed the added Iron Circle! Nice to see that the Shield Wall rule has been amended slightly for the Phalanx Wardens. Instead of granting +1 initiative if the unit has at least 5 models, they now get +1 Weapon Skill. The rule also applies to Characters and curbed lay models within the unit as well...hello, WS8 Sigismund Spot any other changes to existing units/ROW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Had a flip through the updated red book. Only just noticed the added Iron Circle! Nice to see that the Shield Wall rule has been amended slightly for the Phalanx Wardens. Instead of granting +1 initiative if the unit has at least 5 models, they now get +1 Weapon Skill. The rule also applies to Characters and curbed lay models within the unit as well...hello, WS8 Sigismund :D This makes me happy, since a friend of mine (who doesn't play Fists) is giving me a Phalanx Warden kit he's had lying around. O joyous day!Caloo, callay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I have to say that BA's rules don't blow me away, however their RoW is pretty damn cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 what grabs me the most so far is blood angels assault cannon spam, i am also curious as to know the full rules for the shattered legions. iron hands is still the legion for me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The only changes to the Fists are just the Shield Wall rule being amended and Dorn losing Unwieldy to get the -1 intiative in assault instead. Really, they're the only changes that needed to happen. Whilst they're original RoW isn't astounding, it's okay and everything else was either good, great or the best non-Primarch character going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I'm torn if I should switch over to using Iron Warrior rules or stick to using the Iron Hands ones, which I have grown to really love and respect. Regarding BA I think that the generic assault troop ROW is a much more powerful option. Only snap firing at jump pack units the turn they deepstrike? Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The only changes to the Fists are just the Shield Wall rule being amended and Dorn losing Unwieldy to get the -1 intiative in assault instead. Really, they're the only changes that needed to happen. Whilst they're original RoW isn't astounding, it's okay and everything else was either good, great or the best non-Primarch character going. Can you clarify what Reaping Blow Does? Is it the same as Mortarions -1 Initiative for +1 Attack per model in B2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar_Pattern Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 To be fair we have one of the strongest RoWs, unique units, and characters to begin with. All of that being straight good put us several pegs up above other legions that needed RoWs and overhauls(sorry EC an SoH). So it's not like we needed this RoW to fix anything, so we have that going at the very least. Though I am obviously still disappointed that it's 'forging the narrative' harder than it is being functional. Cult Horde does that and better. Though we might get some crazy stuff with Shattered Legions. Imagine taking BA Heavy Support squad with assault cannons in a Decap list?(If possible). We'll have to see. I'm not quite confident in calling Decapitating Strike one of the strongest RoW in the Crusade Book. Its by no means bad though, just limiting to one type of XIX tactics. Would have been nicer to see a more "recon" based RoW (*glares at Ultrasmurfs*) Tbh I think FW have so many options to go with RG, especially with during the Shattered Legions/Shadow War. They just had to chose the weakest one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 How did they change shield wall!? Never mind wrong rule :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I'm very happy with the Ultra right of war. A very different but competitive and fun way to play the army :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The RG have been pretty consistently top tier so far, I wouldn't lament just yet. Plus, you don't have to limit yourself to that specific RoW :) you can try out all of the new ones or do a Black Shield force or Shattered Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @Slipstreams - Reaping Blow says that you get -1 intitiative in the assault phase, and that if you have more than one enemy model in base contact with you in the initiative step you fight in, you gain +1 attack. Certainly a much better rule now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @Slipstreams - Reaping Blow says that you get -1 intitiative in the assault phase, and that if you have more than one enemy model in base contact with you in the initiative step you fight in, you gain +1 attack. Certainly a much better rule now So, he lost S8 Instant Death but possibly has an Insane amount of S6 Ap2 Shred attacks at I4 when combo'd with Charge + Rampage. I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Decaps strength is that it is versatile. It looks like you're pigeon holed into into getting up close to take full benefit of PR:IC or putting everything in a pod, but don't let it fool you. It's highly adaptable, the only restriction is one consul/heavy support(And let's be honest, the only heavy you're taking is probably a fire raptor or sicaran), beyond that it's only benefits. Also that's what Rites of War do, they focus down tactics on purpose to make them more efficient. Dare to compare to toher that require specific troop and specific maneuvers and it's quite easily the most adaptable and is top tier. Unlike this new one that is strictly narrative. So that's probably why I'm so disappointed, everything released for RG has had a platinum coating thus far(thankfully). Is the new red book just the unique legion stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Ooh, I'm not so sure. Having that str8 option was nice for vehicles and removing monstrous creatures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Ooh, I'm not so sure. Having that str8 option was nice for vehicles and removing monstrous creatures... Or GMCs. Though he isn't as liable to getting Tarpitted now so, whatever, Silver Lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Oh, he can still do that. After he gains his bonuses for Rampage and Reaping Blow, he then halves them for +2 Strength and Instant Death if you want. At Initiative 4. It's the Sundering Blow rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Ooh, I'm not so sure. Having that str8 option was nice for vehicles and removing monstrous creatures... Or GMCs. Though he isn't as liable to getting Tarpitted now so, whatever, Silver Lining. Is he definitely losing Str8? Or is the penalty to gaining it dropping his initiative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 HOLD THE PHONE. Its a straight up buff? No Draw Backs? Unwieldy is Straight-up gone!?!?!?! >:-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Oh, he can still do that. After he gains his bonuses for Rampage and Reaping Blow, he then halves them for +2 Strength and Instant Death if you want. At Initiative 4. It's the Sundering Blow rule. Aah, that's brilliant in that case. Wow, he got a significant increase in power level. Is he the same cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Oh, he can still do that. After he gains his bonuses for Rampage and Reaping Blow, he then halves them for +2 Strength and Instant Death if you want. At Initiative 4. It's the Sundering Blow rule. Is this Mortarion or Dorn ? Also if you have the book handy, the new DG rite of war, is the +1 strength to frag missiles also give +1 strength to krak missiles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Would you mind PMing me like, pictures of the Actual Pages so I can properly digest all this Oh, he can still do that. After he gains his bonuses for Rampage and Reaping Blow, he then halves them for +2 Strength and Instant Death if you want. At Initiative 4.It's the Sundering Blow rule. Is this Mortarion or Dorn ?Also if you have the book handy, the new DG rite of war, is the +1 strength to frag missiles also give +1 strength to krak missiles ? This is Dorn. But Mortarion has the Reaping Blow Rule too. So he also lost Unwieldy and can Strike at S7 Ap2 I4 with +1A for every Model in B2B My poor terminators still shudder at the thought and they had to face him with Unwieldy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hold up, Mortarion lost Unwieldy? Not that I disagree or anything, the Primarchs shouldn't be slowed by their primary weapons of choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hold up, Mortarion lost Unwieldy? Not that I disagree or anything, the Primarchs shouldn't be slowed by their primary weapons of choice! Yep. Power Scythes did too iirc and they also got Reaping Blow. So Deathshroud are S5 AP2 at I3 with +1A per enemy in B2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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