[HH1.0] Black Shields Tactica

[Terminus]

Hmm, I would think their power fists would be S10, since the profile is permanently modified from the start. They are toughness 5, not 4(5), for example, so I would assume the same goes for strength.

[Slips]

Actually, yes they would actually be S10, my mistake.

 

Same thing happens to Inductii World Eater Sergeants.

[Plaguecaster]

I love the +1 T and S it was got me into black shields, add in rad grenades through reaver lord or cheap forge lord consul (which I prefer) and it makes power axes instant kill against most Legion infantry models

[Charlo]

Think there is room for an effective all infantry Outlanders list?

 

Half big units and half small units so you can make maximum use of the deep strike.

 

Because of no need for transports you can use deep striking sniper vets with an attached Apothecary without sacrificing an extra ranged option, which is handy.

 

Recon squads kept cheap with camp cloaks and a vox (maybe a combi) to ensure accurate deep strike seems pretty useful too.

 

The idea of a marauder squad with all shotguns and chainaxes is pretty Damn amazing.

 

Plus support squads could be used to great effect.

Edited July 7, 2016 by Charlo

[Trevak Dal]

Okay so I'm interested in getting into a blackshields army. Are they going to be bringing the rules into the next/new 30k army list book that is supposed to come out soon (Crusade army list ?)

[Slips]

No, I dont think so because the next book is for generic units usable by any Legion.

 

If anything, they'll be in the next Legion Specific Book whenever that gets made.

 

Youre better off getting book 6, imo.

Edited July 7, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Charlo]

Are there any good ways to get fearless in blackshield forces?

 

Specifically the +1 BS/WS -2Ld variety?

 

Could make a pretty good shooty army with that, but potential to run away is pretty scary...

[Slips]

Are there any good ways to get fearless in blackshield forces?

 

Specifically the +1 BS/WS -2Ld variety?

 

Could make a pretty good shooty army with that, but potential to run away is pretty scary...

To my Knowledge, outside of slapping a single unit with a Chaplain there is no real way to do so unless there is a Warlord Trait you can roll for that has Fearless.

 

For standard squads, its pretty much a big no-no since LD6 is hilariously bad for WS5/BS5

 

Best used with a Vet Heavy Force for that +1LD (LD7 effectively) and on units with the option for a Vexilla.

[Charlo]

Thought as much. Oh well!

 

My line of thinking was that Blackshields don't get any units that are just "buffed" marines (WS5 Drake & Larn Terms, BS5 Havoc Heavy Squads etc in Legion equivalents) unless you go a Chimeraie trait.

 

What do ye recon to my Outlanders idea above?

 

Think there is room for an effective all infantry Outlanders list?

Half big units and half small units so you can make maximum use of the deep strike.

Because of no need for transports you can use deep striking sniper vets with an attached Apothecary without sacrificing an extra ranged option, which is handy.

Recon squads kept cheap with camp cloaks and a vox (maybe a combi) to ensure accurate deep strike seems pretty useful too.

The idea of a marauder squad with all shotguns and chainaxes is pretty Damn amazing.

Plus support squads could be used to great effect.

 

You can get a lot of bodies in 3k and not need to pay for (many) claws and stuff!

[Slips]

It comes down to how are you deepstriking?

 

If they're dropping into Augury Scanners, due to a lack of Av12 Bubble from a Dreadclaw, they're going to get shot up and if they're dropping into terrain, some legs might break.

 

You're potentially getting in more bodies, sure, but then you're reserve dependant if you're deepstriking so much. And that means either a Damocles, Comms Relay or Proteus w/ EAW

[Charlo]

Hmm it is a tough one, but reserve manipulation isn't the hardest thing... It's a real shame there are no Dread pods for a Leviathan... Would complement it nicely.

 

Of course the is the Kharybdis... But that is pure insanity and probably better used on a big Marauder squad or something.

[Spinsanity]

Uh, what's the bonus on the BS Herald again? I somehow remember him giving some Ld buff, but I might be completely off since I've forgotten most of their perks now that I completely dropped the idea of doing shields... Edited July 8, 2016 by Player 404

[Archidamus]

If you don't mind him being your warlord the Dark Herald would help with his banner giving +1 leadership (and fear). But you'd not be able to have another consul choice. With the WS/BS buff he'd at least be able somewhat more able if he gets challenged. You could put him in a big unit of marauders and hope that you can challenge out with the Marauder Chief to keep him safer.

 

Edit:

Since the marauder chief would be WS 6 with 3 base attacks. No option to take AA though so chances are he'll die to HQ hunters before he gets to strike.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Archidamus

[Slips]

Would it be that insane though? Especially for Outlanders?

 

You can infiltrate a Scout Recon Squad or use a Damocles for a no Scatter Bubble for any large Deepstriking Blobs.

 

Then you'd shove a Levi into a Kharybdis, drop down, let the Levi do his job on the next turn. The Kharybdis is then free to ferry around units as you need.

 

Worse case Scenario, it means you're stuck shoving Contemptors into Fast Attack Dreadclaws.

 

+++

 

Its a shame Black Shields dont have access to a Command Squad for the 6" Fearless Bubble.

[Charlo]

Would it be that insane though? Especially for Outlanders?

 

You can infiltrate a Scout Recon Squad or use a Damocles for a no Scatter Bubble for any large Deepstriking Blobs.

 

Then you'd shove a Levi into a Kharybdis, drop down, let the Levi do his job on the next turn. The Kharybdis is then free to ferry around units as you need.

 

Worse case Scenario, it means you're stuck shoving Contemptors into Fast Attack Dreadclaws.

 

+++

 

Its a shame Black Shields dont have access to a Command Squad for the 6" Fearless Bubble.

 

Yeah the command squad is what I was thinking of when I asked about fearless, but saw BS couldn't get them :(

 

I suppose ferrying stuff around in a Kharybdis is a good option too post Leviathan drop, good for objectives, and by taking one as a Dedicated for a Levvy you get 2 HS slots in one. And it fits the outlander pirate theme well.

[Plaguecaster]

With the new changes apothecaries can now join any infantry unit that is not terminator or daemon so our marauder squads can now be joined by one for feel no pain without having to run a primus medicae

[Slips]

Chain Axes are now +1S Ap4

 

Chymirae Option 1 gives you +1S.

 

You're now S6 Base when Attacking in CC (Much like World Eater Inductiis).

 

Enjoy.

 

++++++

 

You can get WS6 Vets by taking the Lone Wolf Option for +1WS/BS then taking the +1WS Veteran Tactic.

 

+++

 

Be an Imperial Fists with BS5 Sniper & Outflanking Lone Wolf Vets.

 

+++

 

Etc.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Charlo]

Hnnnnnnng.

 

Getting that Apothecary in Marauder squads is awesome, especially in Outlanders where you are deep striking down and vulnerable!

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

With the new changes apothecaries can now join any infantry unit that is not terminator or daemon so our marauder squads can now be joined by one for feel no pain without having to run a primus medicae

 

Kind of makes larger sizes the way to go doesn't it? Most economical use of every single apothecary and also helps prevent that We'll Be Back clause for that one rite as each squad will be that much harder to remove.

[Nusquam]

Stormlord marauder party wagon is a go

[Plaguecaster]

 

 

With the new changes apothecaries can now join any infantry unit that is not terminator or daemon so our marauder squads can now be joined by one for feel no pain without having to run a primus medicae

Kind of makes larger sizes the way to go doesn't it? Most economical use of every single apothecary and also helps prevent that We'll Be Back clause for that one rite as each squad will be that much harder to remove.

Chymeriae maurader squads with the +1 T/ S will be even more better joined by a Apothecary though it sucks we can't have chain axes but then again we can have heavy chainswords which would be funny Edited July 16, 2016 by teutonicavenger

[Caillum]

Marauders can have chainaxes! It's their default option! Brutal as heck...

[Slips]

 

 

With the new changes apothecaries can now join any infantry unit that is not terminator or daemon so our marauder squads can now be joined by one for feel no pain without having to run a primus medicae

Kind of makes larger sizes the way to go doesn't it? Most economical use of every single apothecary and also helps prevent that We'll Be Back clause for that one rite as each squad will be that much harder to remove.

Chymeriae maurader squads with the +1 T/ S will be even more better joined by a Apothecary though it sucks we can't have chain axes but then again we can have heavy chainswords which would be funny

 

Marauders have Chainaxes as standard issue gear.

[Plaguecaster]

Really wow did not know, always focused on a full breacher force so never really bothered with maurader a since they couldn't have apothecaries though I will now especially my normal list got hit hard with price increases

[Charlo]

S6 T5 Marines with AP4 close combat attacks.

 

We in the movies now.