[HH1.0] Black Shields Tactica

[Doctor Perils]

What about the +1 T/S on power fist terminators?

 

Holy sheet.

 

You now have T5 terminators with S10 power fists. I dub thee Golem terminators.

Well, technically it would be S9... But AWESSOOOOMMME !

[Charlo]

No I think it would be ten! :D

 

The Base stats become 5, it's not an in game buff like furious charge added after. The S is 5 and doubled by the fist :D

[Slips]

The S modifier applies after the multiplier.

 

Standard PEDMAS, yo.

[Charlo]

I know - but that only seems appropriate for something like furious charge.

 

In this case the marines basic stats are changing before the modifier.

[Doctor Perils]

I know - but that only seems appropriate for something like furious charge.

 

In this case the marines basic stats are changing before the modifier.

Yup...

 

Just see it like this: at least Thunderwolf cavalry only get S9 and not S10 ^^

 

EDIT : As Charlo points out, Thunderwolf cavalry units do get S10, but upgraded characters don't.

Edited April 4, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[Charlo]

But aren't thier Base stats written in the book literally S5?

 

Or has this been eared up by an FAQ. I know there is some tribulations with a Wolf Lord as his is an upgrade (similar to the Blackshields case I guess then)

[Doctor Perils]

But aren't thier Base stats written in the book literally S5?

 

Or has this been eared up by an FAQ. I know there is some tribulations with a Wolf Lord as his is an upgrade (similar to the Blackshields case I guess then)

My bad X) You're right for thunderwolf cavalry units, the problem comes in with the upgrade.

[depthcharge12]

I'd argue that it changes their base stat as its a constant. It's not like furious charge that only triggers on your charge.

 

Asti PEMDAS, it'd actually be (S+1)*2.

[autek mor]

despite the handicaps, i think there is some potential in the option one chimeriae for some tough lists. T6 dual plasma bikes anyone?

[Dono1979]

Just a note, that on the first page with the summary, the Orphans of War has that they cant be allied to Astartes, this is actually in correct, they cant be allied to Astartes armies with the Chaplain Consuls.

[StaggerLee]

So this is interesting, 

https://www.facebook.com/ForgeWorldUK/posts/1358722677478342

 

We can pick and choose characters, but best if we can have a reason for it to happen.

[Charlo]

.....Wahhhh but does that mean you could just take a super group?!?

[StaggerLee]

would semi-appear so. Obviously it seems that traitor or loyalist only. i think it can work nicely thematically. I can really see loken and istvaan survivors etc, or sigismund and his exiles as in the Garro audiobook.

[StaggerLee]

i quite like the idea of taking skorr for the strategic traits to give us more reliable reserves to utilize outlanders properly....

[Nusquam]

That looks like a more narrative driven response then anything if I had to categorize it. Not a huge distinction in my eyes considering the expansion we're in though.

[Terminus]

i quite like the idea of taking skorr for the strategic traits to give us more reliable reserves to utilize outlanders properly....

Skorr would make sense since he got mothballed to the fringes of the conflict. The Warmaster and the Serpent are harsh masters indeed.

[Dono1979]

So this is interesting, 

https://www.facebook.com/ForgeWorldUK/posts/1358722677478342

 

We can pick and choose characters, but best if we can have a reason for it to happen.

 

Sorry but I think you are taking that at a stretch, in fact their own pinned post on the FB page clearly states that their response are NOT official rulings and are just as driven by the narrative aspect (if not more so) than the next person.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Dono1979

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Smells like more cherrypicking and min-maxing to me, combining everything with everything else.

Same like those obnoxious questions about the 'liberal' interpretations of rules that pop up lately.

Some things should be list- and / or Legion- specific with a purpose. 

[Charlo]

I'd personally accept Endrad Harr, because it is specifically in his rules.

 

Otherwise? No dice. Those Characters are not part of the Standard Army list and you need the right LA rules to use them IMO.

[Silk]

Hi guys, I have to hijack this thread :)

 

The Blackshields can't use the dreadnought pods so what do you think, can I still play an close combat Vortus Contemptor at them or isn't he worth it without a pod?

 

And count the Contemptor against the unit/vehicle Limit?

 

Additionally I plan to play an cc/shooty leviathan. Good or bad idea?

Edited April 30, 2016 by Silk

[Charlo]

Yeah it can work quite well still with certain WbW traits. Gives your opponent something big and scary to focus on wheel your madmen/ synergistic killers/ Xenos weapon murderers/ abominations cross the board or deep strike in themselves.

[Silk]

WbW traits?

 

What does this stands for :)

[Unknown Legionnaire]

'Wrought by war'   

 

One of the set of the abilities / traits you are allowed to pick for the Blackshield force, pages 220 and 221 of Retribution.

[Silk]

Ah thx, now I know what you mean :)

 

its for example +1s and +1t right?

[Charlo]

Yes :D or the outlanders who deep strike and get Xenos deathlocks and rad grenades etc