Lars Skywolf Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Hey guys. So I was looking on the forge world site, and I noticed that one of the shattered legions bundles included shadow captain korvidyye (however his name is spelt) with the little tidbit saying that "he'd make a perfect praetor/centurion of the raven guard" (paraphrased). I'm curious for two reasons (money and the fact I already have a raven guard captain in complete MKVI armour), but does this mean that the 40k "current" jump packs are fine for using in with Horus heresy models? I'm not 100% up to date on the timeline for certain gear, I have an understanding on the timeline for armour marks (2-6 during the heresy, 7 during siege of Terra and 8 way later), the bolters (all bar godwyn were heresy era) and vehicles (demios all the way), but what's the timeline for jump packs and the like? Cheers, Tom. Tl,dr: are current 40k jump packs heresy era friendly without going into timewarp stuff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The 40k Jump Packs were never actually given an "Introduction Date" as far as I can recall but with Mk V and below having their own types, one can assume that they were make with Mk VI at the earliest. So its totally fair and doable as well as fluffy to use the 40k Jump Packs. Just cut down on the Ornamentation and you should be fine. Mk V, IV and II each have their own distinctive types as do the Raven Guard Dark Furies; though theirs can be attributed to being special patterns made on Kiahvar specifically for them more so than a distinct pattern since it shares a great number of similarities with Mk IV jump packs which are noted as being the most advanced "Standard Production" ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4317926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Just about everything currently existing in 40k has been shown to exist in 30k, from Godwyn pattern bolters to 40k Land Raider and Rhino variants, so jump packs will be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4317936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I thought post - heresy the loyalists lost all methods and plans for jump pack production until the 40k pattern of jump pack was discovered? I guess the sanguinary guard mk4 pack put the nix on this (or does all sanguinary guard attire date back to the heresy?). Basically, 40k imperium has maybe 10 - 20 % of the technology that it had in 30k. Somethings were discovered en route, but if you want this mark of jump pack to be present in the heresy, then go for it! Maybe your guys found an stc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I thought post - heresy the loyalists lost all methods and plans for jump pack production until the 40k pattern of jump pack was discovered? I guess the sanguinary guard mk4 pack put the nix on this (or does all sanguinary guard attire date back to the heresy?). Basically, 40k imperium has maybe 10 - 20 % of the technology that it had in 30k. Somethings were discovered en route, but if you want this mark of jump pack to be present in the heresy, then go for it! Maybe your guys found an stc? Actually, although some technologies were lost forever, there was an age of re-discovery at some point between 30 and 40k, and various things were re-introduced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I'd be willing to bet the Sanguinary Guard gear is from the Heresy, although perhaps it has been reverse engineered with all of the successors having a squad and there not being loads back in the legion days... Let's just hope FW give them better rules ;) I think 40k packs are fine with anything mk6 or after. Pretty that, it's probably not too much of a problem, but it might look a little weird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I doubt jump pack technology was lost. It's not exactly .. rocket... wait, crap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think 40k packs are fine with anything mk6 or after. If your army is set later in the heresy, you could easily say that the older marks of jump packs are rare and this is a newer, but maybe slightly inferior, version rushed out to fill the demand and then it would be just fine for earlier armor marks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I'd be willing to bet the Sanguinary Guard gear is from the Heresy, The BA codex stated the Sanguinary Guards' armour and equipment are relics from the GC/HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneOfOneThousand Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I got Korvidae for Christmas with this exact thing in mind - I use him as my Praetor when I run jump packs with my XIX (so...every time) The newer Jump Packs work fine as something a bit different and to be honest as I've said to many of my friends many times - I prefer to use FW models because I want to, not because someone says it's not canon/effective/the done thing etc. so if it works for you then it works. My philosophy is as long as it's painted in something approximating legion colours and it's not 40 specific models like Centurions (and not the good kind) then go for it. If it gets more people playing 30k then I'm always game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I got Korvidae for Christmas with this exact thing in mind - I use him as my Praetor when I run jump packs with my XIX (so...every time) The newer Jump Packs work fine as something a bit different and to be honest as I've said to many of my friends many times - I prefer to use FW models because I want to, not because someone says it's not canon/effective/the done thing etc. so if it works for you then it works. My philosophy is as long as it's painted in something approximating legion colours and it's not 40 specific models like Centurions (and not the good kind) then go for it. If it gets more people playing 30k then I'm always game. my thoughts exactly. i use the regular packs on mk6 and above i otherwise use the packs as per the FW kits. however if you think it looks cool, they're your models, and nobody can complain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I've said it elsewhere, but if someone gives you crap for playing a 30k army with 40k figures, then it's someone you don't want to be playing a game with anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wachaza Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 About the only things that spring to my mind which you can't trace to the Heresy are the Mark VII and VIII armours, the Centurion suit (which I'd happily see return to the Forgeworld of Russian Doll Land), the generally available assault cannon, the razorback and assorted predator variants. Most of the other 40k stuff can easily be explained away as being a model produced by a different Forgeworld. You only need to look at the new heavy weapon variants to see the "Forgeworld Y made it" excuse for another design. As long as it has the same effect and looks like the real thing, no problem. It's only when "these rotor cannons are actually plasma cannons I'd have a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Mk VII can actually be Traced back to the Siege of Terra which is when it first came into service with the Loyalists. So only Mk VIII would technically be "un-heresy approved" by Official Fluff standards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Mk VII can actually be Traced back to the Siege of Terra which is when it first came into service with the Loyalists. So only Mk VII would technically be "un-heresy approved" by Official Fluff standards You mean Mark VIII would technically be un heresy approved :P And yeah, Mark VII would be totally fine for a Siege of Terra themed army, aswell as a Scouring Era one ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Yarr see me edit! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Yarr see me edit! Sneeeeky edits But yeah, at the end, there are just a handful of items you can't use in 30k (Hi Centurion Suit!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I've used my 40k Centurions as Castellax for my Praevian... But yeah, be creative and you can justify pretty much anything but the most specifically "its been created after 30k" stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I've used my 40k Centurions as Castellax for my Praevian... But yeah, be creative and you can justify pretty much anything but the most specifically "its been created after 30k" stuff. You di ... you ... you did ... you did what? Go back to the dark forgeworld of Xana where you belong, Tech Heretic ! Edit: But yeah, I use my Hunter Alpha as Whirlwind Hyperios count-as ;) - we never got a "release date" in the newer codices, and according to the first edition of IA v2 the Hunter existed prior to the Hyperios :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 now hear me out .... 40k centurions , as grav rapiers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Brigade Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I remember asking this question when forgeworld had a facebook page still and they said that they would not do a mkVI assault squad as the 40k current Jump packs are fine for use with MKVI. Obviously they are free to have thrown this idea out the window several years later. Having Shadow Captain Korvydae in the 30k section rather strangely cements that cannon, though of course you can use most of the 40k stuff without any trouble anyway IMO. The only Issue I can see is that a lot the torsos for the new assault marines have the aquila under the straps (though I think the new kit has one or two without?) and while aquilas are not non existent in the legions (EC and decorated individuals) having too many is not quite right in my book, you could just ignore the straps of course I think they can ruin the lines of the model, and the forge world approach with the assault squads has been to ignore them or redesign them as a extra armour plate over the torso with minimal straps. Anyway I may end up using a few with my RG along with some MKIV jump packs, I would never begrudge someone for using them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Jump packs are not separate packs. If you look closely, its an attachment for your standard pack. So if you're wearing mark 2 armor, you have a jump rig that bolts on to your standard pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 now hear me out .... 40k centurions , as grav rapiers I think Slips still has some space on his ship to Xana ;) ! :D :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4318996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 now hear me out .... 40k centurions , as grav rapiers I think Slips still has some space on his ship to Xana ! Actually, I was wondering about the possibility of using the centurions as the base of cortus contemptors (at least while we don't have an official model), obviously with quite some convertion. Maybe some fluff to justify it would be a forgelord that used recovered contemptor pieces to make makeshift heavy armor, as they didn't have the resources and/or apothecaries to put near-dead marines in the dreadnoughts, so he decided to use those parts to help the living ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4319075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 A Contemptor makes a better Cortus than a Centurion and involves less potential work too. But yeah, Jump Packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319684-current-jump-packs-in-30k/#findComment-4319079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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