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Well Jubal in Templar is pretty awesome. He showed how different in temperament and attitude they are. I really liked him. But ofc he is not the main focus of the story.

He is there to highlight how good Sig is...but he still comes across as an interesting character

 

He kicks Sig in the face...but kinda gets his arm disabled really quickly

 

So far Sig has taken a forehead to the face courtest of Sev...and a foot to the face courtesy of Jubal, hehe

way behind on this, but finally finished it. good read, easier to get in to than PoD for me (so far at least).

 

have to admit i was expecting more to be made of the fateful reunion between torghan and shiban khan. 

torghan's noble sacrifice

was possibly a lesson for shiban to remember what he had lost.

 

as for the khan's feelings towards the emp (fighting for a father he never loved against a brother that he did), anyone else curious to see if it will be further explored now that he's at terra?

way behind on this, but finally finished it. good read, easier to get in to than PoD for me (so far at least).

 

have to admit i was expecting more to be made of the fateful reunion between torghan and shiban khan. 

torghan's noble sacrifice

was possibly a lesson for shiban to remember what he had lost.

 

as for the khan's feelings towards the emp (fighting for a father he never loved against a brother that he did), anyone else curious to see if it will be further explored now that he's at terra?

It will be explored for sure. I think the Emperor will project some of his essence to talk with Khagan

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way behind on this, but finally finished it. good read, easier to get in to than PoD for me (so far at least).

PoD was dense in the beginning...but I feel reading it right after reading Scars shoukd help

 

I'm currently trying to read everyrhing in order, including BotS and the shorts

I still need to get BotS and Allegiances. However, I also want to get Betrayer and Talon of Horus, as well as making a start on my reading up to Praetorian of Dorn.

 

Is it me, or does PoH have more of a cinematic vibe than many of the other Heresy books? There's a real vividness to scenes like the Kalium Gate and Spectre. Side note: I totally picture Horus as Ralph Fiennes and Mortarion as Mads Mikkelssen now.

I still need to get BotS and Allegiances. However, I also want to get Betrayer and Talon of Horus, as well as making a start on my reading up to Praetorian of Dorn.

 

Is it me, or does PoH have more of a cinematic vibe than many of the other Heresy books? There's a real vividness to scenes like the Kalium Gate and Spectre. Side note: I totally picture Horus as Ralph Fiennes and Mortarion as Mads Mikkelssen now.

Kalium Gate and Spectre were beyond vivid! Mads Mikkelssen would do good as Mortarion. But Fiennes as Horus? No way

Vin Diesel as Horus.

 

...i'll show myself out.

 

yea Path of Heaven had some real good scenery. Epic mega structures galore! I feel like Scars did good for that as well with some good scene-setting around the showdowns with the grave of a world and all that. 

 

There are some real memories made in some of these novels throughout the series. 

 

I still need to get BotS and Allegiances. However, I also want to get Betrayer and Talon of Horus, as well as making a start on my reading up to Praetorian of Dorn.

Is it me, or does PoH have more of a cinematic vibe than many of the other Heresy books? There's a real vividness to scenes like the Kalium Gate and Spectre. Side note: I totally picture Horus as Ralph Fiennes and Mortarion as Mads Mikkelssen now.

 

Kalium Gate and Spectre were beyond vivid! Mads Mikkelssen would do good as Mortarion. But Fiennes as Horus? No way

I think he could do it, if you pulled together several personas he's used in roles.

 

The events leading up to the climax of Path of Heaven would make for an awesome Forge World HH book, featuring WS, DG, EC, and SoH

 

Definitely and I think it would be released eventually - book 8 is DA and BA, so probably book 9-10?

I'm hoping FW Book 9...but some believe that perhaps the WS campaign prior to PoH's big finale are rather minor in the grand scheme of things, or lack emotional oomph

 

Personally, I think a book about the WS campaign to stall the Warmaster would be a great chance not only to introduce the Scars into FW but also to re-focus on the SoH, EC, and DG. These 3 legions could be portrayed as "in transition to full-blown Chaos". Full-blown Chaos would be shown at the Siege.

 

Sagyar Mazan and Shattered Legion allies could be thrown in as well

 

 

The events leading up to the climax of Path of Heaven would make for an awesome Forge World HH book, featuring WS, DG, EC, and SoH

Definitely and I think it would be released eventually - book 8 is DA and BA, so probably book 9-10?

I'm hoping FW Book 9...but some believe that perhaps the WS campaign prior to PoH's big finale are rather minor in the grand scheme of things, or lack emotional oomph

 

Personally, I think a book about the WS campaign to stall the Warmaster would be a great chance not only to introduce the Scars into FW but also to re-focus on the SoH, EC, and DG. These 3 legions could be portrayed as "in transition to full-blown Chaos". Full-blown Chaos would be shown at the Siege.

 

Sagyar Mazan and Shattered Legion allies could be thrown in as well

 

Indeed - I do hope Forge World will do at least one book before Siege of Solar about all the shattered, raider, outcast warbands/clans left in the Horus wave at the time tight before the Siege. They all would  changed a lot to that time since book 6 Retribution

 

It'd be a good chance to build on the Kill Team stuff, surely?

Heck, add the Raven Guard in their guerilla war capacity.

There's a 40K rivalry between the WS and RG...would be cool to have a Sagyar Mazan/RG mixed force in 30K

Brotherhood of the Shadowed Wing?

Really? I really liked the Emperors Children in PoH. First time I've felt anything other than sheer blind hatred for Eidolon, anyway.

Amen. Also, I love the "consider the aesthetics of it" line and Eidolon's implicit "ooh, I'm rigid" moment when Cario has him at knifepoint.

Yep, I'm with Golem & Blade on that one I'm afraid, M. Rohr.

 

The subtle change in presentation (I couldn't put my finger on it; Chris somehow just managed to make them *interesting* and good characters, but all the same quite similar to what had been done before... just better!) might be enough for you to overlook it, especially if you had stronger feeling (love/hate) for how they'd done before?

 

Otherwise, I'm stumped - different strokes! :)

 

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NB, even after the wonders of Master of Mankind, Praetorian of Dorn and all the rest, I keep coming back in my mind to Scars and PoH (and the attendant shorter pieces). Such a brilliant pairing. Really stoked for whatever comes next.

I'd say Wraight does what Counter and McNeill should have done with Eidolon. As presented by Abnett he's a capable commander who let his ego get the better of him, but by the time you're through to the end of Fulgrim you hear Tarvitz talk about his "glorious combat record" and you snigger. Really he should've had more nous in Galaxy in Flames, but then so should everyone in that book except Saul Tarvitz. As for Istvaan V, the way it was presented meant that no one but Horus got to shine in terms of tactical acumen.

 

Wraight shows Eidolon being smart, cunning enough to see through the first layer of a WS ruse, but not smart enough to outwit the Khan. The hubris is still there, and paired with a self-aware slide into hedonism. Wraight adds little touches that reinforce then, like how Eidolon can't scream in anger without killing those around him, and deluding himself that he could take down a Primarch in single combat.

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