Tymell Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Well, there are some other named stormseers, though they aren't major characters. It's also confirmed that at this stage the legion has two dozen stormseers left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4398845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (everything here was leagues better than that Ullanor scene from Scars)Ullanor scene in Scars was great IMO I agree, it's one of my favourite parts in one of my favourite books in the series. (I'm also not begrudging anyone their opinions. I think it's funny how people read things such different ways sometimes). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4398872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 *shrug* To each their own, I won't begrudge you that opinion. In my own opinion, it ranks pretty high up there in worst Primarch depictions. But not everyone is going to like or dislike the same things. As I recall, most readers liked that scene a lot...though that doesn't detract from your right to disagree It has Khan showing his pride and annoyance (Khan and his legion DO care about what others think, though they would never admit it) and Fulgrim being his typical preening, annoying self. Good little verbal exchange IMO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Just got the book, quick question: when did Shiban get all jacked up previous to this novel? Liking it so far. I thought the Ullanor scene was well done. I don't think many aithors can do multiple primarch interactions well aside from the obvious abnett and abd. Wraight does it well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He was very very badly wounded at the end of Scars, I think its from that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Wounded to the point that he would have been Dreadnought-interred were he in any other Legion. Instead, they create a different way to mechanically keep him alive. Appearance-wise, he looks like an over-bulked, full-body cyborg in the rough shape of a Marine. Only his pauldrons retain his Legion colors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The bionics thing is kinda interesting, we get that one of the WS most defining traits is their cultural taboo of Dreadnoughts, so in Shiban's case he was bionically/mechanically restored. I don't know if it get's mentioned in Scars, but is he eventually supposed to regain 100% mobility after his "resurrection"? If not, then what was the point? It seems like an unnecessary use of resources for minimal return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Just got the book, quick question: when did Shiban get all jacked up previous to this novel? Liking it so far. I thought the Ullanor scene was well done. I don't think many aithors can do multiple primarch interactions well aside from the obvious abnett and abd. Wraight does it well. I don't really think that Abnett does it particularly well, or rather, he doesn't stand out much from the crowd. Horus felt great in Horus Rising, but the encounter with Sanguinius wasn't overly impressive to me. The biggest share of the Magnus / Russ encounter was handled by McNeill, too. Alpharius/Omegon are, well, Alpharius. The Guilliman and Lorgar encounter in Know No Fear was pretty short too. And then we got The Unremembered Empire, which, to me, is one of the worst in the series, especially due to the ridiculous way he wrote the Primarch fights left and right, which didn't even go well with the same characters' depictions previously. Hulkan was a damn shame, and Sanguinius was barely in it. I don't know, I don't see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The bionics thing is kinda interesting, we get that one of the WS most defining traits is their cultural taboo of Dreadnoughts, so in Shiban's case he was bionically/mechanically restored. I don't know if it get's mentioned in Scars, but is he eventually supposed to regain 100% mobility after his "resurrection"? If not, then what was the point? It seems like an unnecessary use of resources for minimal return. I got the impression he's still a fearsome warrior, we see him holding his own in battle, he's just not as fluid and adept as he was before perhaps. Plus, he was key in bringing back the Khan to deal with the schism in the legion. He's a symbol by this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 @Tymell yeah he does eventually get back into the swing of things, I'm just wondering, say if these bionics returned Astartes to 85% of their pre injury capability, at what point would this be more favorable than making Dreadnoughts? Why don't more Legions use these bionics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Dreadnoughts tend to be even more screwed than Shiban was. Often there aren't even any limbs left to restore, or the vital systems are so broken down that they can't survive outside of their amniotic tanks. Shiban was lucky, in a way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4399780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 I got the impression he's still a fearsome warrior, we see him holding his own in battle, he's just not as fluid and adept as he was before perhaps. It's made pretty clear that he's slower and clumsier with the "Shackles" (he refers to his bionics as "Shackles" for this reason)...his subordinates are faster than him now. He used to be the fastest into battle. WS bladesmanship is all about speed, so it's understandable why Shiban is unhappy. His bionics also seem to be flawed: sporadic malfunctions now and then...like delayed reaction or getting stuck. It's a bit odd that Cario is mentioned to be not only faster but also STRONGER than bionic Shiban. You'd think that if anything, Shiban's bionics would grant him beastly strength at the expense of speed and mobility...but apparently not. I am left with the conclusion that Shiban's bionics really suck compared to IH bionics. Bion Henricos' bionics are awesome...Shiban's not so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4400060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 But then again, Bion Henricos is part of a legion that views bionics with near-religious awe and dedication, striving to replace as much of their flesh as they can. Shiban is part of a legion that so values speed and maneuverability that they compromise their ship capabilities to go faster. The legion also appears to place great stock in "natural" skill, talent, and capabilities. So, yeah, no surprise that Shiban's bionics would be subpar compared to Henricos. Bear in mind that by the time Shiban gets his augmetics the White Scars have also been cut off from any extensive logistical support. It's likely they are relatively poor-quality compared to what a Space Marine commander could have access to at the height of the Great Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4401872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Apparently the WS don't craft their own bionics. The Shackles are mentioned to be of Mechanicum origin...though apparently not the Mechanicum's best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4401911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 As has been clear to me for a while, I love Chris' depiction of the Heresy. It's got the right transitional edge, the right psychological toll on characters, the right sense of both epic and poetry to it, but that's told through very personal stories. Utterly brilliant book, in my esteem. It had a touch of everything I like about the Heresy, and undid a lot of the stuff I routinely gripe and moan about in Heresy books that I don't like; perfect for my tastes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4438892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Apparently the WS don't craft their own bionics. The Shackles are mentioned to be of Mechanicum origin...though apparently not the Mechanicum's best I guess, in the midst of civil war, the Mechanicus aren't in a position to deliver their best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4439270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 All the feels. Just finished and I'm both really happy I read the book and sad because of all that happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4439543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 A lot of dead characters Yesugai, Qin Xa, Torghun I felt one of those deaths was a bit premature . . . but I am looking forward to what Wraight will do with the Vth at the Siege Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4439780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Next WS from Wraight would be at the Siege of Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4441292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Next WS from Wraight would be at the Siege of Terra Is this confirmed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4442512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 As confirmed as his announcement of no mortarion POV in path of heaven Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4443081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 savage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4443202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Chris would love to write Mortarion's...stumble...on the way to Terra, and I would love him too, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4443243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 16, 2016 Author Share Posted July 16, 2016 Anyone want James Swallow for the XIVth? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4443648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 NO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4443721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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