Plaguemaker Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hey guys and gals!Pondering on the idea of making a fluffy army based around the early days of Fulgrim and Curzes relationship, when The Phoenician was mentoring The Night Haunter.Was hoping those with more tactical knowledge of the two respective armies could shine some light on what would work in a list comprised of the two Legions?If it'd perhaps be more beneficial to have the main force as NL with EC allies, or vice versa? And which units would work well and compliment one another the best?Thanks in advance for any help and advice! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 If you have NL as the main force you can't have legion allies with terror assault. Both armies are assault oriented in the main as well (except kakaphoni but they've their own rite I don't know much about) but could be used to 1-2 an opponent, The EC having the benefit of speed and the NL having outnumbering bonuses. Not one I'd put together myself but it'll probably look cool with your fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Unfortunately your hopes are dashed before they begin, because the current ally chart is set firmly in the Heresy, where Kurze hates Fulgrim's guts and the feeling is mutual. The two armies are By the Warmaster's Command on the ally chart, so not only are your allies not scoring, but if the two Legions get within 6" of each other, on a roll of 1 they waste their turn giving each other the stink eye and throwing shade (no pun intended... or was it?). As far as which Legion to take as primary, Night Lords lend themselves very well to being an allied detachment with Terror Assault, because you minimize its drawbacks (can only get 1 HS choice anyway, and can take just 2 terror squads rather than 3). Unfortunately, there are very few Legions that like the Night Lords (understandably). I don't think this has ever been explored in any of the written material, but for some reason Kurze thinks Mortarion is his bestie, while Mortarion merely thinks Kurze is a decent bro. Other folks who have a decent opinion of the Night Lords are the Iron Hands, World Eaters, Sons of Horus, Salamanders (golly gee!), and the Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Surely you could just do a shattered legion force instead? Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I don't think this has ever been explored in any of the written material, but for some reason Kurze thinks Mortarion is his bestie, while Mortarion merely thinks Kurze is a decent bro. Other folks who have a decent opinion of the Night Lords are the Iron Hands, World Eaters, Sons of Horus, Salamanders (!), and the Mechanicum. I don't understand why Salamanders are fellow warriors with the Night Lords, they don't seem like they would get along at all. Plus Kurze did some pretty harsh things to Vulkan after he was captured on Istvaan.. As far as allies for the NL goes I think Sons of Horus and Death Guard are really the only two good choices. DG provide good fire support for the more assault oriented NL, and SoH and NL both get outnumber bonuses in assaults so you can use that to your advantage. As far as EC go shattered legions really is your only choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Night Lords see Salamanders as sworn brothers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I just checked the chart, looks like fellow warriors to me...I'm pretty sure DG are the only sworn brothers for NLs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Er sorry, my bad, that's what I meant. The whole Salamander thing just threw me, I have no idea why the most humanitarian Legion would be on good terms with the Legion who loves humans even more...as fashion accessories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Yeah I'm going to be going the death guard with night lords allies as they seem to complement each other we'll and like there fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Something about seeing the best in ppl or something such nonsense. Salamanders are at worst distrusted I believe. But seriously Terror Assault is a great allied detachment 2 drop pods without Tac Tax, deep striking terminators, and forcing improved night fight. Although you would lose Night Vision on the NL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Good thing that night fight is optional! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4512989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Errr, optional in the sense that both players can agree not to use it, but if one person wants it (i.e. every Night Lords player ever) then the roll goes through Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4513149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Except Night Lords without night vision (allied detachment) and with allies who also don't have night vision. I'm talking about the automatic nightfight you can enforce with terror assault, it's optional and you can just dice for it (likely your opponent doesn't want it either). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4513180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Search lights exist on a lot of staple units and the +1 I and Run is really quite nice; mark them with rhinos and dreadnoughts and such and then you're good to go. Honestly poor use of searchlights gives such a good advantage to a Night Lord player that it isn't even funny, I have the feeling most people forget they exist. Also it isn't automatic Night Fight, maybe you're confusing it with Curze? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4513890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Curze is first turn auto night fight Terror assault is 2+/4+/6 night fight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4513912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Honestly poor use of searchlights gives such a good advantage to a Night Lord player that it isn't even funny, I have the feeling most people forget they exist. This is something I want to tell my opponents all the time, but never do. I'm too afraid of losing my night fight stealth benefits! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326189-night-lords-and-emperors-children-allies/#findComment-4513914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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