IA: Crimson Praetors

[Dosjetka]

Index Astartes: Crimson Praetors

<<Information on the origins of the Chapter>>

<<Information on the Chapter’s home world>>


<<Information on the Chapter’s combat doctrine>>


<<Information on the Chapter’s organization>>


<<Information on the Chapter’s beliefs and warrior cult>>


<<Information on the Chapter’s gene-seed purity/mutations/lost organs>>


<<The Chapter’s battle-cry or motto>>

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* Iron Hand successor through Red Talons;
* Do not espouse the view that flesh is weak;
* Veteran Sergeant x of the Red Talons espoused this view and believed that "it is sufficient to encase flesh in steel, like our Primarch, rather than replace it";
* Colour scheme is red, to show respect and affiliation (?) to the Red Talons, but has silver forearm armour and gauntlets (any other part?) to symbolise Ferrus Manus' metal arms;
* Astartes Praeses;
* Red Talons selected to be Chapter "parent" and uses this opportunity to rid their Chapter of this deviant philosophy (much to the delight of other Imperial factions who see this as a step forward over the creepy/weird/crazy philosophy the Iron Hands and most of their successors have);
* Only use replacement with bionics as a last resort. In recent years, Chapter (especially Apothecarion) has worked closely with the Adeptus Biologis to vat-grow replacement limbs and organs. Limited success due to tissue rejection but methods are improving with use of the Chapter's home world natives as source (growing straight from Space Marine cells doesn't work due to too much previous tampering to make humans Space Marines);
* Replaced Praeses Chapter that was disbanded due to [insert reason];
* In agreement with some other Praeses Chapters, attempted to convince the AdMech that the Adeptus Praeses should be prioritised for distribution of Vengeance bolt ammunition to better counter the Traitor Astartes threat. Proposal refused: officially due to inability to produce enough ammunition to supply all of the Chapters properly; unofficially due to worries that if another Chapter turned renegade, the ammunition would be turned against the Imperium and its Astartes;
* [...]

[Sete]

Nice nice. I toyed with this idea.

Here use this.

 

"They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers - inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something. They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me... I would struggle to remove it now... I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it. The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory... A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my fathers' Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow. Already I see the madness that path leads to, and so I shall excise the silver from my hands. In doing so I shall weaken myself and my sons, but nonetheless it must be done. The hands are strong, and have created great things, but they are not mine."

 

Preface of an iron hands novel. Dunno which one.

[Dosjetka]

Thanks for that tidbit, Sete. Is it yours or did you get it from an official source? If the latter, which publication is it from?

[Sete]

Thanks for that tidbit, Sete. Is it yours or did you get it from an official source? If the latter, which publication is it from?

No not mine. I can't write for :cuss lol

 

It's a preface of an iron hands novel according to the 1d4chan page of Ferrus Manus.

Maybe someone on the Iron Hands Sub Forum might know.

 

But I liked that. For a IH chapter focused on the mastery of the flesh it a cool bit.

 

I spend more time than I should just brainstorming DiY chapters. :P

[Draakur]

How long have they been a part of the Praeses (assuming not all the Chapters currently there have been there from the start, but that some Chapters die off and are then replaced, which I think we have sufficient evidence to believe)?

 

And has their proximity to the Eye and contact with the forces of Chaos had any impact on their demeanour/beliefs/combat doctrine at all?

[Dosjetka]

Thanks, Sete. I've posted a thread in the IH subforum to see if they have any answers for me. :)

 

Draakur: Thanks for popping in!

 

How long have they been a part of the Praeses (assuming not all the Chapters currently there have been there from the start, but that some Chapters die off and are then replaced, which I think we have sufficient evidence to believe)?

I haven't decided on their Founding yet but the idea I had was that they replaced a Chapter that was mostly destroyed and/or had a part of their Chapter go renegade. Ideally it would have been the Relictors but they turn far too late (in M41) so I'll probably invent another Chapter which was disbanded and has been replaced by the Praetors.

 

And has their proximity to the Eye and contact with the forces of Chaos had any impact on their demeanour/beliefs/combat doctrine at all?

While on my lunch break I had this idea that the Praetors lead a group of other Astartes Praeses Chapters to petition to the Adeptus Mechanicus to prioritise their Chapters when distributing Vengeance Rounds (boltgun ammunition designed to penetrate power armour) because of their constant fights with Traitor Astartes. However, the AdMech refuse and the distribution remains limited to all Chapters. The official justification is that the ammo is very complex and resource-consuming so churning out enough would be unfeasible. The real reason is that the AdMech are worried that if one of the Chapters were to go renegade (which has happened before according to my head fluff), they'd have the perfect ammunition to gun down any Astartes sent to bring them to justice...

Apart from that, nothing for the moment.

[Draakur]

No problem! :)

 

Yep ok, makes sense.

 

I think generally speaking the Praeses would all be very well-equipped and prioritised for the best arms and armour etc... they basically couldn't afford not to be, I don't think, given where they're situated and how necessary it is that they're properly able to keep the Eye's contents from spilling out and nomming everything. That's certainly how my own head canon speaks to me anyway, and I've written my version of the Subjugators with that idea in mind at least.

 

But that doesn't necessarily mean those specific rounds would be in abundance or anything, even if they were well-supplied, they could all just be getting other easier made stuff in abundance instead, and this is still the Imperium after all. Overall I think your concept still works well :)

[Dosjetka]

I'm honestly not too sure that would necessarily be prioritised all that much but going by the fluff provided for the Vengeance rounds, I think it's safe to say that widespread use is not an option. Imagine the amount of bolts they'd have to produce to cover the needs of even a single battle. :o

But then again they might be better provided with other equipment? Or get supply drops more quickly/frequently? I don't know if there are many Forge Worlds around the EoT but perhaps a number of them have part of their production devoted to keeping the Astartes Praeses battle-ready at all times?

 

By the by, where can I find your Subjugator IA article? Is it here on the B&C?

[NightrawenII]

Position of ForgeWorlds.

 

Anything else?

I have seen attempts of this theme several times... The only good one was Codex Grey's Warriors Eternal.

 

 

~ NightrawenII

[Lysimachus]

Just a quick one; the quote is from the start of Wrath of Iron by Chris Wraight, from the Neimerel Scrolls attributed to Ferrus Manus

 

Looking good though Dos, I like the scheme, especially the silver arms.

[Donkey Kong]

I'm usually averse to involving IA Chapters with preestablished fluff. But, that's neither here nor there.

I like the scheme. From the Forge World Books, the Red Talons historically have a love/hate relationship with Ferrus Manus. Ferrus didn't particularly like the Chapter in the Legion, and it was used as a dumping ground. But, the Red Talons did go on a pretty wild vengeance campaign after Ferrus was killed. There isn't any real mention of the Red Talons use of bionics, so they're a good choice for the Chapter that would move away from the Iron Hands mutilation practice.

It's weird to point to Ferrus Manus as an example of a warrior encasing himself when he had literal metal hands.

[Draakur]

My Subjugators IA exists as a stupidly long, scrawling, unfocused notepad file on my phone at present, and is less an IA than an unnavigable, unformatted mess :p I have a lot of ideas on them but have grown inexplicably attached to them over the last year (alongside the Storm Giants) and I don't post them here due to the slightly childish fear of 'screwing them up' =\

 

+edit+

On topic: is the Chapter they were introduced to replace one of the Chapters that's gone renegade, that have the AdMech fearful of possession of those rounds? It's hard to tell at the moment but I think that's what you're alluding to. If so, does that play a part in their story in any way?

 

Maybe the Chapter that went renegade was an IH Successor too, and now all eyes are on them/trust for them is strained around the Eye as a result... And no I don't know why the High Lords would do something so seemingly illogical. #ImperialReasons

[Dosjetka]

Position of ForgeWorlds.

Anything else?

I have seen attempts of this theme several times... The only good one was Codex Grey's Warriors Eternal.

~ NightrawenII

OK, so very few. Hum.

Do you have a copy of CG's Warriors Eternal? Since the Librarium has been down, only his Heralds of Light are accessible. :(

Just a quick one; the quote is from the start of Wrath of Iron by Chris Wraight, from the Neimerel Scrolls attributed to Ferrus Manus

Looking good though Dos, I like the scheme, especially the silver arms.

Great, thanks for the confirmation as to where the quote comes from! And I'm glad you like the colour scheme. :tu:

I'm usually averse to involving IA Chapters with preestablished fluff. But, that's neither here nor there.

I like the scheme. From the Forge World Books, the Red Talons historically have a love/hate relationship with Ferrus Manus. Ferrus didn't particularly like the Chapter in the Legion, and it was used as a dumping ground. But, the Red Talons did go on a pretty wild vengeance campaign after Ferrus was killed. There isn't any real mention of the Red Talons use of bionics, so they're a good choice for the Chapter that would move away from the Iron Hands mutilation practice.

It's weird to point to Ferrus Manus as an example of a warrior encasing himself when he had literal metal hands.

I should go and read the relevant Forge World fluff, I think. And re: Ferrus Manus' hands, they were coated in metal from the wyrm he killed. They weren't actual metal limbs, AFAIK.

My Subjugators IA exists as a stupidly long, scrawling, unfocused notepad file on my phone at present, and is less an IA than an unnavigable, unformatted mess I have a lot of ideas on them but have grown inexplicably attached to them over the last year (alongside the Storm Giants) and I don't post them here due to the slightly childish fear of 'screwing them up' =\

+edit+

On topic: is the Chapter they were introduced to replace one of the Chapters that's gone renegade, that have the AdMech fearful of possession of those rounds? It's hard to tell at the moment but I think that's what you're alluding to. If so, does that play a part in their story in any way?

Maybe the Chapter that went renegade was an IH Successor too, and now all eyes are on them/trust for them is strained around the Eye as a result... And no I don't know why the High Lords would do something so seemingly illogical. #ImperialReasons

The idea was any Astartes Praeses Chapter but this does indeed include the Praetors. And thanks for the suggestion to make the renegade Chapter an IH successor, too. Perhaps it went too far with its "metal over flesh" mentality, further cementing the idea that their philosophy is the correct one amongst the Praetors?

Re: Subjugators. Post them up. You know you want to. ;)

[Doctor Perils]

So, any news here?

First, I'd like to remark that that map only presents the major forge worlds - feel free to create your own. Similarly, feel free to create a heretic warband as a nemesis to the crimson praetors: these could be easily the cause of the downfall of the previous praeses chapter, or the previous chapter's remnants - you could even have this as a plot twist

 

One thing I didn't notice was mention of their homeworld - did they keep their old one, did they establish a new one, are they fleetbased (in which case where do they get their recruits from)?

I'm also assuming codex org? What of the "priesthoods" (chaplains and techmarines) - are they also codex, or do they have iron fathers?

 

What does it mean for them to only enclose their flesh in metal? Have they got any associated rituals, or do they act in a far more secular way? How do they view their cousins who replace their limbs?

When were they created in comparison to the moirae schism? If before, on what side did they fall of that debate (and potential conflict)?

 

What tactics do they favour on the battlefield?

 

What are their relations with thr other praeses chapters? Do they believe they should all fall under the same command structure or that they should all act as separate chapters?

How have they adapted to becoming praeses? Why were they chosen?

How did their founding happen, considering that the red talons used the new chapter as a "dumping ground"? Did they have a particularly large training cadre? Did they get any other marines from other chapters?

Why did the red talons give them to a new chapter (where they can continue spreading their blasphemies) rather then simply exile them?

[Dosjetka]

So, any news here?

The next couple of weeks are going to be really busy for me with unpacking from my recent holiday, two birthdays coming up this weekend, a short stint of military service most of next week, and then a short weekend in Croatia next weekend. Not to mention keeping the Imperial Fists Expansion, Ultramar Battle Muster, and upcoming the Liber Feast of Blades going. So yeah, once I can finally pick up my brushes, over a third of the month will already have passed by... and there'll be plenty of hoops to jump through until the month is over...

I'd love to be more active with this project but I've got quite a bit going on these days. That said, thank you for the feedback/questions/advice. I'll go through it all once I have a bit more time and brain capactiy to process the info. :sweat:

[Cartoon Head]

I'm gonna shoot straight here. There's a real lack of character. So far the primary distinctions for them seems the be thing they don't do (bionics) or don't have (vengeance bolts). In my mind this is really just kinda leaving them as generic marine chapter #845.

 

That being said, what I did like is this potential to distinguish them through the use of Bio-tech compared to the Iron Hands and other decedents use of more traditional bionics. In my opinion, from what you've got here, thats where the interesting stuff is going to be and I'd really like to see that element developed.