Unknown Legionnaire Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 So, given there's no mention if Talons of the Emperor count as Imperial Agents or what section they belong to on the AOD allies chart, what's the general consensus on allying them or adding allies to them when they're used as a primary detachment ? Can a primary detachment of Talons take any allies at all ? Can they in turn be used as an allied detachment ? Obviously it seems to be (another) oversight in Forgeworld's rules writing, but how do people feel about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnivision6 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Hey all. I've been following this thread for a few days. Trying to read everything and absorb as much info as possible. I'm trying to solidify a buy list. If you guys could tear apart my list and offer any changes it would be appreciated. I also have 20pts I have no idea what to do with. I thought melts bombs on another squad but I figured the gauntlet was enough anti tank in combat. +++ Custodes (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v64) (2980pts) +++ ++ The Age of Darkness (Talons of the Emperor v69) ++ + HQ + Legio Custodes Shield Captain [A Single Shield Captain in your army may be upgraded to a Tribune as long as the detachment they are part of is 2000 points or more., Arae-Shrikes, Cyber Familliar, Digital Lasers, Melta bombs, Paragon Spear, Praesidium Shield] + Elites + Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought Two Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons [2x Infernus Incinerator] Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought [May Take a Achillus Dreadspear with inbuilt Corvae Las-Pulser] Two Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons [2x Infernus Incinerator] Legio Custodes Hetaeron Guard Squad [Arae-Shrikes] Hetaeron Guard Magisterium Vexilla and a Master-Crafted Power Weapon [Power Axe] Hetaeron Guard [May Take a Praesidium Shield, Paragon Blade] Hetaeron Guard [May Take a Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet] Hetaeron Guard [May Take a Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet] + Troops + Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad [Arae-Shrikes, Melta bombs] Custodian Guard Magisterium Vexilla and a Master-Crafted Power Weapon [Power Axe] Custodian Guard [Adrasite Spear] Custodian Guard [Adrasite Spear] Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad [Arae-Shrikes] Sentinel Guard [Magisterium Vexilla, Sentinel Warblade] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Sentinel Warblade] Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad [Arae-Shrikes] Sentinel Guard [Magisterium Vexilla, Sentinel Warblade] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Sentinel Warblade] Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad [Arae-Shrikes] Sentinel Guard [Magisterium Vexilla, Sentinel Warblade] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet] Sentinel Guard [Praesidium Shield, Sentinel Warblade] + Fast Attack + Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squadron Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squadron Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] Custodian Agamatus [Twin-Linked Corve Las-Pulser] + Heavy Support + Legio Custodes Caladius Grav-Tank [Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon, Searchlight] Legio Custodes Caladius Grav-Tank [Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon] Edited March 10, 2017 by omnivision6 BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Seems solid. But IMHO with many MSU custodes fielded on the ground, we are probably more vulnerable when faced with Marksman veteran with combi-plasma. My friend is running a Head of Gorgon list and he is building a massive plasma fielding army with LR Proteus. We haven't had a proper game yet but I'm a little bit nervous about his endlessly outflanking LRP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnivision6 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I can see that. Our group mainly plays balanced lists with no crazy scews. Maybe this would change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I can see that. Our group mainly plays balanced lists with no crazy scews. Maybe this would change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Make it to 2000 and have tankbune for staters Battlescribe didn't have the Tribune option available Why so many sentinel guard and hetaerons? No melta bombs on anything either, with very few anti tank options is sketchy at best too Would you run them only in squads of 3? I guess, if you had to suggest a single substitution, what unit would you remove and what would you replace it with? Yea just do squads of 3. If you drop the extra hetaeron and sentinels you basically get the points for the good upgrades (i.e. melta bombs on models with no fists; fists on the hetaerons and sentinels) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnivision6 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Make it to 2000 and have tankbune for staters Battlescribe didn't have the Tribune option availableWhy so many sentinel guard and hetaerons? No melta bombs on anything either, with very few anti tank options is sketchy at best tooWould you run them only in squads of 3? I guess, if you had to suggest a single substitution, what unit would you remove and what would you replace it with? Yea just do squads of 3. If you drop the extra hetaeron and sentinels you basically get the points for the good upgrades (i.e. melta bombs on models with no fists; fists on the hetaerons and sentinels) Would you say always run squads of 3? Is the extra model not worth the wounds in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Look what came in the mail today! http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee424/tom-asaurusrex/20170309_190123_zpssuaatgbo.jpg depthcharge12, SockMonkey, helterskelter and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwrench Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Seems solid. But IMHO with many MSU custodes fielded on the ground, we are probably more vulnerable when faced with Marksman veteran with combi-plasma. My friend is running a Head of Gorgon list and he is building a massive plasma fielding army with LR Proteus. We haven't had a proper game yet but I'm a little bit nervous about his endlessly outflanking LRP. Turn two before they can come on and outflank is still a roll. That is also a 365 point squad (minimal) If he goes after Hetearon then it is a good use of points. From a precision shots stand point you can shunt wounds and if you worried about your specific model being killed just make sure he is in the back. You will have a good idea where the outflank will happen. Honestly, Plasma support squads with Autek Mor attached and another given preferred enemy from his warlord trait are scarier. That is a lot of preferred enemy plasma shots. Make it to 2000 and have tankbune for statersBattlescribe didn't have the Tribune option availableWhy so many sentinel guard and hetaerons? No melta bombs on anything either, with very few anti tank options is sketchy at best tooWould you run them only in squads of 3? I guess, if you had to suggest a single substitution, what unit would you remove and what would you replace it with? Yea just do squads of 3. If you drop the extra hetaeron and sentinels you basically get the points for the good upgrades (i.e. melta bombs on models with no fists; fists on the hetaerons and sentinels) Would you say always run squads of 3? Is the extra model not worth the wounds in your opinion? Can I say it depends? From a LD check there is no difference between a squad of 3 or 4. Losing one model is still 25%. If you have several squads with 4 models you could have another squad. PF are so important in our list. It is a way to deal with dreads and armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Yeah I'm pretty sure he is modeling a Cataphractii Praetor with an attached servo arm so there is that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I was supposed to post this a few days ago, but I just didn't get round to it. I had a 3k game against my friends Stonewall list. Age of Darkness mission was get into your opponent's deployment, ambush deployment with me defending. My opponents list was: Sigismund in a 6 or so man Templar Squad in a LR Phobos 7 Storm Shield Terminators in a Flare Shield Spartan 2x15 Breacher Squads with Power Fist and Artificer Sergeant and Apothecaries 1x10 Breachers in a Phobos with extra Lascannons Sicarian 2 Vindicator Laser Destroyers My list was: Tankibune 5 Hetaeron Guard with shields, 3 Solerite Gauntlets, Vexilla and a Paragon Blade 2x6 Guard with Vexilla and Coronus Transports 3 Guard 2x6 Sentinels with 1 Solerite Gauntlet and Vexilla 3 Sentinels with 1 Solerite Gauntlet 1 Cadillus Deployment saw my opponent put his Vindicators and Sicarians to my right with all of his Land Raiders and infantry to my left. I deployed with my vehicles facing the Vindicators and Sicarian and resigned them to death. I put the majority of my infantry forwards, Sentinels at the front with the Hetaeron and Tankibune close behind. Guard Squads and the 3 man Sentinel Squad in front of them. Turn 1 saw my Cadillus die and both my Coronus lose their guns. Sigismund and his Templars charged a 6 man Sentinel squad whilst the Terminators charged the 3 man sentinel squad. The rest of the shooting did nothing but knock a wound off another Sentinel squad and one on the Tankibune. 1 Templar died to Overwatch and Sigismund only got 1 wound through in his challenge, insta killing the Sentinel he fought. The Sentinels killed 2 Templars, but Sigismund has fearless so the combat dragged on. The 7 Terminators killed 2 Sentinels whilst the Solerite Gauntlet and Sergeant didn't hurt each other, the Sentinel held in combat due to the no modifiers on leadership. My turn 1 saw a 6 man and 3 man Guard Squad charge the Terminators, a 6 man Sentinel squad charge a breacher squad and the Hetaeron Guard and Tankibune charged into Sigismund and his Templars. The two damaged Coronus moved forwards to body block my opponent's tanks on the far side of the board. Combat saw the Sentinels kill a few breachers but stay locked in combat, Sigismund took 3 wounds from the Tankibune for none in return, the Templars did nothing and the Hetaeron Guard's Solerite Gauntlets wiped the squad and Sigismund. the 7 Terminators just about died as the Sentinels threw out an ungodly amount of attacks, the last died to the Solerite Gauntlet he previously challenged. Turn 2 saw both Coronus die to the Sicarian and Vindicators and the Sentinel Squad that was charged by Sigismund lost a few models to mass Lascannon fire. The Breacher squad was wiped by my Sentinels. My turn 2 saw the Hetaeron charge the Phobos, the Sentinels charge the Proteus and the lone Solerite Gauntlet from the 3 man squad charge the Spartan. The Tankibune charged into the Breachers first to soak up overwatch before the depleted Sentinel squad followed him in. All 3 Land Raiders died and the Breachers were wiped out. 3 of the 10 Breachers in a Land Raider died. Turn 3 saw my opponent miss with his shots. I charged the 6 man Sentinel squad into the Breachers and wipe them. A 6 man Guard squad knocks two hull points off a Sicarian in combat. My opponent calls it. http://imgur.com/a/8GExx - Gallery of pictures. I'll be playing against my club's most competitive player, it'll have two Knights and a load of AdMech filth in it, so that will be this lists' baptism of fire. I've been toying with a few lists with Sisters in as I don't want to just steamroll my opponents, its not that satisfying taking 9 models off and deleting everything your opponent has. BLACK BLΠFLY, N1SB and Black_out 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Good stuff that fist list was no joke. Bummer your coronus took so much damage early your jink rolls must not have been average lol what trait did you pic with tankbune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I went with Infiltrate, but after realising how pointless it was I didn't use it. I don't think it would have made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 what was the deployment type? I find that 30k has some truly terrible deployments like the the triangle-from-short-table-edge one and the circle one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thx for the report! It seems that one Cadillus is far from enough at the 3000 level. IMHO I will add at least one more Cadillus and maybe a squadron of Jetbikes with Las Cannon when they are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 It was Ambush deployment, so my opponent had 12" on both short table edges whilst I had 18" from the centre of the table. Yeah, I am tempted by the s10 Cadillus just to get more long ranged shots in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I'm going to throw this out there and say that ambush is one of the worst deployments for non-narative games. Unless your list is extremely good, I'd say most defenders are at a severe disadvantage Hellex_The_Thanatar and Baluc 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 This was the second time i've played it, the first time was with my Alpha Legion attacking and I got battered. The deployment and scenario massively helped in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosen40k Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) This is what I'm planning to run at 2500 points, thoughts before I fully commit to it? Sisters are for Nuncio voxes and cheap supporting fire/objective campers. HQ: Valdor Excruciatus Cadre -5 Members ELITES: Hataeron Guard -3 Members -Teleportation Transponders -2x Adrasite Spear -1x Solarite Gauntlet and Praesedium Shield Achillus Dreadnought -Dreadspear -Infernus Incinerators Achillus Dreadnought -Dreadspear -Infernus Incinerators TROOPS: Custodian Guard squad -3 Members -Teleportation Transponders -Adrasite Spears Custodian Guard squad -3 Members -Teleportation Transponders -Adrasite Spears Sentinel Guard squad -3 Members -Solarite Gauntlet Sentinel Guard squad -3 Members -Solarite Gauntlet Prosecutor Cadre -5 Members -Nuncio Vox FAST ATTACK: Agamatus Jetbikes -3 Members -Adrathic Devastators Agamatus Jetbikes -3 Members -Adrathic Devastators Edited March 14, 2017 by chosen40k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yes, problems! What are the countermeasures for outflanking land raider proteus while Spartan with Autek Mor and his TA buddies are rolling towards you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Laugh at them with your T5 3++ multiwound models that can knock them out with Solarite. Mor isn't a problem when you have easy access to ID shooting and combat :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Laugh at them with your T5 3++ multiwound models that can knock them out with Solarite. But what about the lascannons? :P Mor isn't a problem when you have easy access to ID shooting and combat :D But maybe the vehicles will out maneuver us? I mean most of my custodes are fielded on the ground after all. Edited March 16, 2017 by lanceqi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Maybe... But you can probably take most of the punishment they dish out is the beauty of it! So I have a campaign coming up, first match is 1k Points - I'll probably have about 15 Sisters and 15 Custodes to play with in a ZM game, any ideas? They are currently not built so going to make them based on the list. I wan't to avoid the tankibune because it's a narrative campaign mostly and I'll be against Militia first game... Maybe once we get into the 2/3k range I'll have one. Any ideas on what to take for 1K points ZM? I'm up for buying a Sword and Board Dread or something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Getting a dread is hell of an idea. Can't wait to see how it will perform. BTW a ordinary shield captain is still deadly as hell and also very fluffy. But maybe sisters are not very necessary IMHO :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 You can't use a Tankibune outside of 2k+ games anyway ;). Being out manoeuvred is an issue as our vehicles are very susceptible to being flanked and popped. That is why infiltrate is a godsend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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