Applications for Legio XVIII

[MikhalLeNoir]

Oh damn. Entire text deleted. I hate my smartphone.

So I have been inspred by the great wardens, but from the stsrt of the project wardens of light they were a blend of south east asiam i fluences with knightly themes of the west. But the philospojy was always korean style, indonesian buddhism style. Suummon the voidness, calm in battle, battle meditation focus your mind. Reach a state of calmness and master yourself were always an important thing with the wardens.

 

I chose the color for the bling? Gold is the color of the great king, the leader in indosesia and korea. But also of the center and earth. Blue for the calmness and the moon and heaven. Red as antagonist balances the blue.(The color blue is associated with the element wood and the direction East. In the Korean flag, blue symbolizes eum or yin, which is cool, feminine energy. Eum energy is associated with the moon and is passive, yielding and receptive. Blue is balanced by red in the Korean flag. While red represents the passionate energy of life, blue represents its opposite, death.)

 

Not sure if you saw it, but of the few models i have finished, a lot bear asian style right shoulder pads. The half skirts are from indonesian cut ( good, should be on both sides but i wanted to show some leg and differ them from dark angels)

 

Last but not least: i cjose gaelic names because they sound better compared than 90% kims. And the chars fit to the third base: arthurian lore

 

 

So cultural buddhist battle priests/monks with the believe.of a soul amd the honor of a knight.

 

 

Would have that written on my thread but because of an error of me deleted my title page and din't wamt to chamge somwthing until kirgan took a look and might be able to restore an earlier state. Hope he will because i don't want to rewrite the time-spiral-paradox where gwal defeats/kills himself and this becomes the different gwal incarnatioms in the multiverse.

Edited November 1, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[simison]

So, can I still pitch an idea seed, even if I don't actually lead them? These guys could be quite different as they'd have a bit of a focus on commerce and trade, and not just on fighting - because of that, they'd be an interesting foil to the void eagles as well http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

I'm okay with people giving ideas that could be incorporated into the applications. 

 

Thinking on it some more, given Nate's limited time, maybe it'd be wiser if he dropped out and some of his ideas are combined with Sete's application? There are some similarities between the two, especially given the chapter they're both a fan of. I'll talk to Nate.

 

 

To Mikhal, I didn't realize so much thought went into the colors or that the skirts were an Eastern homage, instead of a Western one.

[ckpmax1108]

As an aside, what were the Jackals involved in? Fighting the Qarith, attacking the Void Eagles on the Day of Revelation, deeply opposing the Warbringers at the Prosecution, and seceding from all at the 2/3 mark of the Insurrection to form their own kingdom, their primarch still alive by M41.

 

I like the Devoured in that role, being not fundamentally different from the Qarith, and maintaining a facade at the Baal prosecution to avoid being found out about, then leaving all sides when the Traitors meddle with the Warp, and the Suzerainty goes all "No Xeno no Warp only Humanity and Posthumanity"

 

I'm interested in this conflict...would anyone able to direct me to this specific one?

 

I do realize the similarities of Combat doctrines with the Alpha and Raven Guard, but the Legion was missing this facet of tactics.

Not really trying to invent the wheel on tactical execution, but more of trying to conform to what The Devoured seems to be built for....also Cain screams of treachery.

 

Kelborn's Predators and mine are pretty similar in that sense as well....well....we did talk when I came back to the forums hahaha

 

Edited November 1, 2016 by ckpmax1108

[Kelborn]

Predators are more like: infiltrators plus fast attacks, etc differs from tribe to tribe

Some prefer close combat over all

Some prefer mechanized attacks

Some air crafts

[Talonair]

Legion Name: The Dragon's Teeth

Allegiance: Loyalist

Homeworld: Maeros

Primarch: Aydan Baha, Silahşarkı, 'The Wind of Swords'

Specialisation: Combined Arms Warfare, Close Quarters Strikes

 

The Dragon's Teeth are a Loyalist Legion, under the command of their Primarch Silahşarkı. The Legion itself is inspired heavily by the Ottoman Empire and Greek myth, and will draw largely from Turkish for unit names and such. The legion name itself is actually inspired by Greek myth, Prince Cadmus slew a great dragon, and proceeded to sow its teeth across the land, from which grew the spartori, a group of ferocious warriors.

 

Silahşarkı fell to the world of Maeros as a child with skin the colour of bronze. The world was a divided, feudal world, on which power was decided through the ownership of archaeotech. The most powerful Sultans maintained entire Janissary companies armed with 'miracles' of the Dark Age of Technology, whilst local leaders kept order through single examples of powerful technology. Silahşarkı was discovered by Janissaries of the Sultan Ayberk Baha, seen by his astronomers as a star falling from the heavens. The child was brought before the Sultan's Court, where the Sultan marveled at the child, deeming him a 'gift from the heavens', and naming him Aydan Baha, 'Glory from the Moon'.

 

Aydan grew at a rate that astonished the caretakers of the Court, and within but a few years was the intellectual equal for many of the Court's sages and scientists, and could hold his own against any of the Sultan's Janissaries. As he advanced in years, he turned his talents to statesmanship, assisting his father in the political ring, winning a great many debates against men many years older than he. The Court of Baha won many allies in those years, but attracted their share of enemies as well, and it was on the day of Aydan's thirteenth birthday that a great war between many Courts erupted, and Aydan discovered his talent for waging war.

 

The mysteries of warfare unraveled before Aydan's eyes as he attended war-meet after war-meet, the complexities of logistics and strategy seemingly offering their answers to the young Primarch. And on the battlefield he was no less gifted, his speeches inspiring men to acts of incredible valour, and personally leading charges and mustering defenses that determined the fate of the war. By the war's end, the Court of Baha was unquestionably the most powerful Court on the planet, and Aydan earnt the name Silahşarkı, and was called by the troops under his command 'The Wind of Swords'.

 

When the Emperor arrived to the planet, Silahşarkı and his father had furthered their conquests, now commanding the entire planet, whilst Ayberk Baha had stepped down as Sultan, leaving the matters of running the planet to his adopted son. Silahşarkı initially doubted the Emperor's claim as his true father, and agreed only to go with him if the Emperor defeated him in a trail of swordplay. The Emperor won the bout, albeit a hard-won victory, and Silahşarkı agreed to accompany the Emperor and see the Imperium He had been forging. The sight of Terra alone was enough to convince him, and in swift order took command of the 18th Legion, bringing with him the influences of his homeworld.

 

By the outbreak of the Insurrection, the Dragon's Teeth had cemented their reputation as masters of coordinated warfare, and of swift, brutal close-range engagements fought at scant metres apart. When the Insurrection began, Silahşarkı showed no hesitation in siding with the Emperor, and was granted the opportunity to practice his style of warfare on a massive scale.

[ckpmax1108]

Predators are more like: infiltrators plus fast attacks, etc differs from tribe to tribe

Some prefer close combat over all

Some prefer mechanized attacks

Some air crafts

 

Thanks for the clarity Kelborn, I guess if you look at at it at a more Tribal outlook, our similarities diverge.

The Devoured are more focused small arms, manufactured into a singular role as a whole. This makes them slightly inflexible, but highly efficient in that one purpose (been toying with this idea for a while).

 

Use of anything beyond that, (i.e, armour) they'll have to rely on other Legions to provide...or if they have any of the aforementioned, its in small quantities and very few are "bred" for the role. This lends itself to a lot of interactive narrative between Legions if given the chance.

 

We both agree though, warbeasts are boss!

[bluntblade]

Everything on this page before Thorn's massive post.

 

 

What else is missing?

 

In very excited of how this election will end as nearly every participant covers one of the missing cultures / themes. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

And so that it won't be forgotten, what about Sangis offer? http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

I once wrote down a list of potential warrior cultures and strategic tendencies. There's a lot out there.

 

I thought his offer was on the table for someone else to develop...

 

@sim: I'm guessing that even if I had been awake enough to notice and object it wouldn't have counted?(seeing as I'm hardly disinterested)

Not really. The actual votes that would've counted would have been from Sete and the Xenos. The Legionnaire ideas were supposed to be our back-ups in case we didn't get enough responses. Well, we didn't have a problem with lack of response.

 

We need Sangi to elaborate on what will make his Legion unique.

Apologies for the brief silence on my part, but I have good news! Kelborn, Grifftober and I have formed a Triumvirate of sorts and are working to develop a techie legion together, so expect to hear more on that soon! http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

How many techie legions do we have?

A theme can always be adapted. Feel free to just use "Conquistadors in space" as a jumping-off point.

 

What I'd really like to see is an indication of where any Legion would fit into the Insurrection.

A fair question. What would be specific indicators you're looking for?

Your suggestion of a rivalry with the Fire Keepers is a good example. How they'd view the other Legions, the Warmaster and the Emperor, response to Chaos etc.

[bluntblade]

Off the top of my head, the Jackals first encountered the Qarith, and also played a part in the Battle of the Forge

[Kelborn]

And the were the reasons why the Wardens of Might return to battle.

[bluntblade]

Conquistadors could work nicely as Insurrectionists, and as a bonus they were prone to massacring people too

[simison]

Nate has agreed to change his legion's allegiance from Loyalist to Suzerainty

[Talonair]

Should I give special unit ideas now?

[simison]

Rather you didn't, but props for being thorough. However, as Blunt pointed out, we can't fit in another Loyalist legion. Are you okay with changing your legion's allegiance?

 

This also applies to the BlindPrimarch and anyone else who's entry is Loyalist. 

[Talonair]

In that case I'll withdraw my application

[simison]

I appreciate your loyalty to the Emperor, and accept your withdrawal. 

 

To follow-up on Blunt's wishes, let's have some more info. One of the weaknesses of new legion ideas is that creators tend to focus on the Primarchs without developing the legions themselves. To that end, how do the legionnaires relate to their Primarch? In turn, how is that Primarch's relationship with the Emperor?

Edited November 1, 2016 by simison

[Chief Captain Redd]

^^Aye, as we've been at this awhile to think of the Legionaries narrative as well as the Primarch's narrative in terms of the greater II is key. Many of us have spent hundreds of hours spit balling ideas together.

 

Also I would like to note that the Iron Bears are pretty heavy in Dreads and TDA.

[ckpmax1108]

I appreciate your loyalty to the Emperor, and accept your withdrawal. 

 

To follow-up on Blunt's wishes, let's have some more info. One of the weaknesses of new legion ideas is that creators tend to focus on the Primarchs without developing the legions themselves. To that end, how do the legionnaires relate to their Primarch? In turn, how is that Primarch's relationship with the Emperor?

 

For the Devoured, its members fall under complete subservience to their Primarch, no shred of doubt nor of personal thought remains in their mind. A mere puppet of their forced faith in Cain.

The first set of his true "son" being the ones he cultivated in his home world, acting as branching conduits of his will throughout his Legion. These sons are usually the Apothecaries of the Legion, maintaining the relationship of growing the ranks and choosing the best genes from among their "crop". These so-called "Nodes" retain some form of their psyche as it amuses Cain to have some form of personality in his slew of otherwise empty husks.

 

Note that any form of a "personality" is merely a responsive twitch of the body's memories. Kinda hard to explain, but hopefully some would get what this entails.

 

(This would create an interesting point of narrative wherein, a newly integrated "Drone", has a strong sense of self, trying to break from the Primarch's grip on control...of course this would be a futile effort. A humorous sidetracked notion for Cain's amusement.)

 

The relationship between Cain and the Emperor is two-fold:

• The Emperor to Cain as of some degree of trust in how his crusades are handled. Whenever he is commanded by the Warmaster, his Legion complies to a 'T'. His own independent missions bringing fruitful expansion to mankind's unification....while setting his own plans into motion.
• From Cain to the Emperor as a magnanimous force whose wrathful judgement he needs to avoid in order to attain the strength he needs to unleash his grand scheme. Whose suspicious gaze he need not fall under at the moment.

I have some ideas of Cain's relationship with his brothers, as some are geared to have a harmonious camaraderie with him. But again, still in the works, even if they're just a one sentence spiel.

 

 

 

 

 

"Let them struggle and pit their egos to one another...the world is but a theatre to me, my brothers but puppets.

 

-and I alone hold the sticks of this shadow play..."

Edited November 1, 2016 by ckpmax1108

[Sete]

My Primarch hates the Emperor. He is just another tyrant. He hates that he was created just for being a tool of conquest. His past experience in captivity does not help. He is bitter, angry and paranoid. He wants to choose his fate for better or worse, and his main objective is to kill the big E. The Emperor just wants absolute power. The legionnaires try to follow the Primarch wishes, albeit reluctant,some follow it to the letter, a small number is loyal to the Emperor through and through, and eventually they might be killed by the primarch. And there are others that will eventually dable into chaos, like their primarch they will try to follow their own fate.

 

"Sebastos watched in silence the planet in front of him. It was still there...

The Emperor, his "creator", had allowed them to live.

But where they deserving? The cowardly scum that had betrayed him, that gave him up, a child to a monster, a madman, for what? Power? The scum of the human race, that would crawl on fours to please any master...

And yet they remained. The "Emperor" must have been pleased. He didn't even need to fire a shot after he destroyed "it".

The abomination that tried to destroy this will!

Sebastos looked upon his metal arm, sometimes it was as if he could feel it. A phantom pain.... The price he paid for defiance.

Useless defiance...

But his will was never broken. That's why he chose Sebastos, the Bastion, as a name. His body was broken but his will never faltered."

He looked back at the grey planet in front of him...

"They have been judged, and were found wanting... For their sins... Oblivion!"

Sebastos left the bridge as the first cyclonic torpedo engulfed the atmosphere in flames...

Edited November 1, 2016 by Sete

[Doctor Perils]

Okay, so, quick idea brainstorming. No idea for name(s) or colour scheme yet, so let's roll with

 

"English Legion" - in a word: redcoats and english pilots in space. Stiff upper lip and all. Also, they fiddle with the economy...

 

Primarch: Lord Horace Flasheart/Walpole

- - - - - - - - - - - - - Has a modified Lightning jetfighter as personal transport and a jump pack, allowing him to leap to the rescue...

 

Preference for shooty units (not of the "big guns" variety, more in terms of many many guns), and heavily armoured units (such as Terminators and Dreadnoughts. They also have a more developped aerial superiority bent.

 

Though they don’t add planets directly to their control (like the Crimson Lions would), they often have garrisons on different worlds, that in practice act more like trade posts – this gives them an important economical weight, and would lead their cannon-verse counterparts to be seen as threats to the economic stability of the fledgling imperium, leading the Emperor to give them an Ultimatum to stop messing with the moneys, which they refuse (at one point, they may even go as far as to start an equivalent of the first opium war, which would be sure to make Emps angry.)

 

 

In the run-up to the Insurrection, the Legion has been reinforcing its commercial hold over many important planets in the galaxy, and the Warmaster is set to anounce an ultimatum against the « Flasheart/walpole », when Icarion turns traitor on the day of revelation – « Flasheart », identifying the Void Eagles as his biggest threat in terms of shipping, joins Icarion in order to reduce the danger they represent.

However, as the Insurrection grows longer and longer, the disparate garrisons of the [English Legion] grow restless, and thirteen of them (no ? Yes!) turn against their master and ally with certain elements of the Iron Bears to defend themselves.

After this point, it would be possible for them to leave the insurrection, trying to form their own empire to recover from the loss of those [Thirteen Colonies], or else to join the suzerainty, or else they could be corrupted by the dark gods… Up to you to continue the story http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/msn-wink.gif

 

 

I don't really know about their relations to the emperor, but I'd say that Flasheart Walpole would have rather bad relations with parts of the council, as these try to counfound his economical manoeuvres at every turn.

Within the Legion itself, the legionaries would probably see Flasheart Walpole as their dad, but in the kind of relation you have with your dad when you're just starting out on your own - you still rely on him so he's in charge, but you can get along with him and have a friendly chat around a drink of beer or wine (or nerith).

However, there is also some kind of parliamentary system (that might date back from before he took control of the legion) - he's in charge, but he can't take important decisions without some kind of a vote.

 

 

So, a bit muddled for the moment, but rather different from most other chapters and legions you see out there I believe. I think it could integrate easily enough here, but the Legion can also take the place of a Lost Legion in cannon-verse, without one of the traditional "fall to chaos" tropes.

Please dissect at will http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

EDIT: I'm going to go back and watch the Extra Credits Extra History classes on Youtube http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

 

EDIT: also, Guy Fawkes. Because reasons...

Edited November 1, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[simison]

^^Aye, as we've been at this awhile to think of the Legionaries narrative as well as the Primarch's narrative in terms of the greater II is key. Many of us have spent hundreds of hours spit balling ideas together.

 

Also I would like to note that the Iron Bears are pretty heavy in Dreads and TDA.

 

Hm, I thought I remembered something like that. So, Dreads, TDA, cybernetics...are you also heavy on the heavy vehicles?

 

Sete, you didn't answer the first question.

 

Max, you are certainly interesting, but how on earth does Cain hide this info from telepaths? Like the Emperor? Or a certain telepathic Warmaster and his legion?

 

Thorn has offered a legion concept. Do any of the current applicants wish to adopt it in lieu of their own?

[Sigismund229]

I like the concept but I want to ask why would a legion involve itself in economic affairs? They don't benefit all that much from it so why bother? One answer to this would be that perhaps their primarch landed on a world which is the East India Trading Company IN SPACE!!. He is raised managing a section of that and then he gets given command of a legion, the perfect means through which to press his home's economic interests. Seems more feasible, at least to me, than legionaries taking a hand in economic ventures for little apparent reason.

 

I like the general concept though. I shall proceed to think of other things you could use from post 1600 English history for them.

 

@sim: I'd be willing to adopt it but I'm a legionary. :p swings and roundabouts.

[simison]

Furthermore, I'm laying down some ground rules. Since Saturday is my day off, that is when we'll hold the vote. I will start it at midnight my time and end it midnight my time the next day for a complete 24 hours. 

 

Additionally, I'm adding a red flag (or nuke/http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif, in this case) system. I will assign one http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif for every violation a legion concept has. If there is one http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif by voting day, that legion concept will not be voted. 

 

Quick example. Say a legion concept had a blind Pariah Primarch of a Loyalist legion, that is http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Pariahmarch) http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Blind Primarch) http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Loyalist Legion), and all of them need to be addressed.

 

Likewise, any legion concept that is not 'owned'/adopted by that day, will also not be voted upon. 

Edited November 1, 2016 by simison

[Kelborn]

Well done, Thorn.

Already liking this concept. If I wouldn't be working on one concept with Griff and Sangi, I would immediately go with your stuff and join back in.

 

Can already imagine the Trade Wars of the "British imperial Empire" ^^

 

:D

[Doctor Perils]

 

Thorn has offered a legion concept. Do any of the current applicants wish to adopt it in lieu of their own?

 

Also, want to mention, when I say "dissect at will", you are also free to carve out the bits you like and include them wherever you want :)

 

I like the concept but I want to ask why would a legion involve itself in economic affairs? They don't benefit all that much from it so why bother? One answer to this would be that perhaps their primarch landed on a world which is the East India Trading Company IN SPACE!!. He is raised managing a section of that and then he gets given command of a legion, the perfect means through which to press his home's economic interests. Seems more feasible, at least to me, than legionaries taking a hand in economic ventures for little apparent reason.

 

I like the general concept though. I shall proceed to think of other things you could use from post 1600 English history for them.

 

@sim: I'd be willing to adopt it but I'm a legionary. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png swings and roundabouts.

That was a bit of the idea - I was sort of seing the Primarch as the Emperor's treasurer, just like Horus is the Marshall, Sanguinius the Regent, and Magnus the successor on the golden throne.

 

We can always look into Little Willy from the First World War for instance.

 

 

Well done, Thorn.

Already liking this concept. If I wouldn't be working on one concept with Griff and Sangi, I would immediately go with your stuff and join back in.

 

Can already imagine the Trade Wars of the "British imperial Empire" ^^

 

http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Thanks ^^

[MikhalLeNoir]

I like the concept but I want to ask why would a legion involve itself in economic affairs? They don't benefit all that much from it so why bother? One answer to this would be that perhaps their primarch landed on a world which is the East India Trading Company IN SPACE!!. He is raised managing a section of that and then he gets given command of a legion, the perfect means through which to press his home's economic interests. Seems more feasible, at least to me, than legionaries taking a hand in economic ventures for little apparent reason.

I like the general concept though. I shall proceed to think of other things you could use from post 1600 English history for them.

@sim: I'd be willing to adopt it but I'm a legionary. :p swings and roundabouts.

You could always create a second account and present it as your first legion. I habe done the same....I am...Azus^^