mc warhammer Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 yeah, i could see fulgrim primed to be 2IC before he lost the plot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Horus' realistic plans likely had Ferrus and Fulgrim as his right and left hands, with the rest of the traitors and the Khan doing their thing under them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I rather like the idea that Mortarion sees his position as vindication, not an n-th best. That is: it's not about being the best, but being the best left standing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Mortarion's more busy thinking "where's the bit where I get screwed over?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 In John French´s excellent "Warmaster" audio, Horus Lupercal does exactly murmur about the Primarchs who sided with him, and bemoans that the likes of Sanguinius, Ferrus, The Lion etc chose to stand against him, and that as a result, he is left with the broken, damaged and "lesser" of his brothers, being Fulgrim, Lorgar, Angron and the others. I think it fair to say that whilst Mortarion plays second fiddle, he is the closest Horus has to a "reliable" Primarch in his camp - I mean, look at the rest of the lot: Fulgrim - ascended to Daemonhood and entirely subject to his own whims Angron - caged, rage machine who is entirely consumed with bloodlust and unable to make grand, galaxy-wide strategic plans Perturabo - he could be a reliable second Mortarion - he is the reliable, stoic, unfeeling second Lorgar - religious zealot, who is far gone and entirely unreliable as he is subject to "The gods wills it!!!" Alpharius - unreliable and untrustworthy in the extreme Magnus the Red - A very reluctant ally, who was rather "tricked" into Heresy, and that because Horus himself subverted the orders forwarded to Leman Russ. Konrad Curze - bonkers, bloodthirsty and unreliable as heck, even if he does go "I am Batman Night Haunter!" on Macragge in Unremembered Empire So of alle the Primarchs who sided with Horus, only two would be suitable seconds - Mortarion and Perturabo, both of who seem to have had a greater admiration for Horus than the others... That said, I am very much look forward to a Mortarion Primarchs entry, and hoping it will be done by Chris Wraight! Regards, Master Ciaphas In John French´s excellent "Warmaster" audio, Horus Lupercal does exactly murmur about the Primarchs who sided with him, and bemoans that the likes of Sanguinius, Ferrus, The Lion etc chose to stand against him, and that as a result, he is left with the broken, damaged and "lesser" of his brothers, being Fulgrim, Lorgar, Angron and the others. I think it fair to say that whilst Mortarion plays second fiddle, he is the closest Horus has to a "reliable" Primarch in his camp - I mean, look at the rest of the lot: Fulgrim - ascended to Daemonhood and entirely subject to his own whims Angron - caged, rage machine who is entirely consumed with bloodlust and unable to make grand, galaxy-wide strategic plans Perturabo - he could be a reliable second Mortarion - he is the reliable, stoic, unfeeling second Lorgar - religious zealot, who is far gone and entirely unreliable as he is subject to "The gods wills it!!!" Alpharius - unreliable and untrustworthy in the extreme Magnus the Red - A very reluctant ally, who was rather "tricked" into Heresy, and that because Horus himself subverted the orders forwarded to Leman Russ. Konrad Curze - bonkers, bloodthirsty and unreliable as heck, even if he does go "I am Batman Night Haunter!" on Macragge in Unremembered Empire So of alle the Primarchs who sided with Horus, only two would be suitable seconds - Mortarion and Perturabo, both of who seem to have had a greater admiration for Horus than the others... That said, I am very much look forward to a Mortarion Primarchs entry, and hoping it will be done by Chris Wraight! Regards, Master Ciaphas In John French´s excellent "Warmaster" audio, Horus Lupercal does exactly murmur about the Primarchs who sided with him, and bemoans that the likes of Sanguinius, Ferrus, The Lion etc chose to stand against him, and that as a result, he is left with the broken, damaged and "lesser" of his brothers, being Fulgrim, Lorgar, Angron and the others. I think it fair to say that whilst Mortarion plays second fiddle, he is the closest Horus has to a "reliable" Primarch in his camp - I mean, look at the rest of the lot: Fulgrim - ascended to Daemonhood and entirely subject to his own whims Angron - caged, rage machine who is entirely consumed with bloodlust and unable to make grand, galaxy-wide strategic plans Perturabo - he could be a reliable second Mortarion - he is the reliable, stoic, unfeeling second Lorgar - religious zealot, who is far gone and entirely unreliable as he is subject to "The gods wills it!!!" Alpharius - unreliable and untrustworthy in the extreme Magnus the Red - A very reluctant ally, who was rather "tricked" into Heresy, and that because Horus himself subverted the orders forwarded to Leman Russ. Konrad Curze - bonkers, bloodthirsty and unreliable as heck, even if he does go "I am Batman Night Haunter!" on Macragge in Unremembered Empire So of alle the Primarchs who sided with Horus, only two would be suitable seconds - Mortarion and Perturabo, both of who seem to have had a greater admiration for Horus than the others... That said, I am very much look forward to a Mortarion Primarchs entry, and hoping it will be done by Chris Wraight! Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 In John French´s excellent "Warmaster" audio, Horus Lupercal does exactly murmur about the Primarchs who sided with him, and bemoans that the likes of Sanguinius, Ferrus, The Lion etc chose to stand against him, and that as a result, he is left with the broken, damaged and "lesser" of his brothers, being Fulgrim, Lorgar, Angron and the others. I think it fair to say that whilst Mortarion plays second fiddle, he is the closest Horus has to a "reliable" Primarch in his camp - I mean, look at the rest of the lot: Fulgrim - ascended to Daemonhood and entirely subject to his own whims Angron - caged, rage machine who is entirely consumed with bloodlust and unable to make grand, galaxy-wide strategic plans Perturabo - he could be a reliable second Mortarion - he is the reliable, stoic, unfeeling second Lorgar - religious zealot, who is far gone and entirely unreliable as he is subject to "The gods wills it!!!" Alpharius - unreliable and untrustworthy in the extreme Magnus the Red - A very reluctant ally, who was rather "tricked" into Heresy, and that because Horus himself subverted the orders forwarded to Leman Russ. Konrad Curze - bonkers, bloodthirsty and unreliable as heck, even if he does go "I am Batman Night Haunter!" on Macragge in Unremembered Empire So of alle the Primarchs who sided with Horus, only two would be suitable seconds - Mortarion and Perturabo, both of who seem to have had a greater admiration for Horus than the others... That said, I am very much look forward to a Mortarion Primarchs entry, and hoping it will be done by Chris Wraight! Regards, Master Ciaphas Good points. Your response inspired me to start a separate thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332913-who-and-why-horus-attempted-to-convert-some-of-his-brothers/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4709822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 What do you think Alpharius' book could be about? Has anyone discussed that already? 12 pages of notes, nnnnot that eager to go searching through it. Oooh, if I'm being honest I'm a little leery of buying Lorgar's novel. All the Chaos Primarchs have such tragic stories to them, makes me sad to read about back when they were still struggling/hopeful and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4710143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 BL...I've been sitting on a nugget in this interview for 3 months since I recorded it. I can't wait to release this tomorrow. edit: hopefully it hasn't changed. Yes, I'm being a dick and hopefully not wasting this dickery chance :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4710223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I rather like the idea that Mortarion sees his position as vindication, not an n-th best. That is: it's not about being the best, but being the best left standing. Indeed you are right Xisor. What do you think Alpharius' book could be about? Has anyone discussed that already? 12 pages of notes, nnnnot that eager to go searching through it. Oooh, if I'm being honest I'm a little leery of buying Lorgar's novel. All the Chaos Primarchs have such tragic stories to them, makes me sad to read about back when they were still struggling/hopeful and such. I hope it will cover that vision Silonius saw in Praetorian of Dorn. It was strange and interesting. Or some 'Harrowing' during early years. Or 'Alpharius' story through Omegon retrospective after the PoD events. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/12/#findComment-4710422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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