Taliesin Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Have to say the Ferrus Manus one is high on my list as well. Hopefully Guymer can pull this off. He's got Eye of Medusa, a 40k Iron Hands vs Mechanicus novel out later this year as well. Perturabo as well of course. But Ferrus Manus is such an unknown quantity, might get the limited edition of that, which I would expect in October. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 But Ferrus Manus is such an unknown quantity, might get the limited edition of that, which I would expect in October.Guymer's a very fine author, and I know precisely what you mean otherwise. Ferrus, at this stage, is almost as faceless as the Khan. His portrayal in Fulgrim might as well be Index Astartes, given how the series has developed and flourished since. (Chunter about McNeill's work as I do sometimes, I was actually quite fond of the gregarious, personably gruff Ferrus we saw there. It wasn't world-changing, but compared to the Iron Hands that have developed since, it'd be a brilliant counterpoint [and vindication kf his role in Isstvan V] if he's portrayed as 'in the same league' as Fulgrim, Sanguinius and, of course, Horus e.g. an intensely competent all-rounder who's generally liked by everyone, even if grudgingly. [unlike the Lion, Russ or Guilliman, say - approved by everyone, after a sort of undeniable acceptance of unfettered skill, but not at all necessarily *liked*..., perhaps a bit like Dorn & Perturabo too...]) Indeed, Ferrus (and Mortarion, though Scars did an excellent service to him in brief passing) are pretty much the only two I feel still a touch distance to from. Lots more to see of almost everyone, but Ferrus is in an arguably uniquely difficult situation for that to happen.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I am looking forward to FM. I think the Xth and their primarch are fascinating, and there is so much to explore there. I didnt used to, but FW and the Meduson anthology from warhammer world have really changes my mind. I also hope the bitter Mor shows up at some point, what drives that man/monster (beyond a personal reactor)? Furthermore, I never realised that Ferris was dark skinned - I am rereading First Heretic (beautiful) and I really liked how almost everyone of note was a POC. But I was most surprised by Ferrus in his brief cameo - I had never realised this! It's great, subtle realism & necessary mental revisionism - a happy MLK day discovery! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Xisor, Different folks, different strokes.I don't need Ferrus Manus to be gregarious, generally liked, or what have you. He can be a Nietzschean force of nature to whom the value of the individual life is practically nil if it can't prove its own strength and contribute to the struggle of the Great Crusade, for all I care. What I want, first and foremost, is for the primarchs to be done justice. Where Ferrus Manus is concerned, his depictions as a leader and a general have thus far been pedestrian at best. Forge World has begun to rehabilitate him with some flattering depictions of the ruthless and overwhelming way the Iron Hands make war. That's a good start, and, frankly, future portrayals of Ferrus should use that as a start because the "intensely competent all-rounder" concept is already a thing for the Fulgrim, Guilliman, the Lion, and, with more ruthlessness added, Horus pre-Heresy. Where the Khan is concerned, he doesn't really strike me as faceless anymore. That's not to say he shouldn't be high on the list, though. He should definitely be ahead of those who have enjoyed starring spots or strong appearances in recent novels (e.g., Curze, the Lion, etc.). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I just want Sanguinius :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 I'm hoping there will be more guest appearances a la Leman Russ Great Wolf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Xisor, Different folks, different strokes. I don't need Ferrus Manus to be gregarious, generally liked, or what have you. He can be a Nietzschean force of nature to whom the value of the individual life is practically nil if it can't prove its own strength and contribute to the struggle of the Great Crusade, for all I care. What I want, first and foremost, is for the primarchs to be done justice. Where Ferrus Manus is concerned, his depictions as a leader and a general have thus far been pedestrian at best. Forge World has begun to rehabilitate him with some flattering depictions of the ruthless and overwhelming way the Iron Hands make war. That's a good start, and, frankly, future portrayals of Ferrus should use that as a start because the "intensely competent all-rounder" concept is already a thing for the Fulgrim, Guilliman, the Lion, and, with more ruthlessness added, Horus pre-Heresy. This also fits the brief mention of Ferris in Know No Fear.he isn't an all rounder, he's content to be a weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4625749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well, that's all good in my esteem! My point (lost in my babbling) was that I liked the Fulgrim representation well enough, but that it was hardly fleshed out. Now there's time and opportunity, of a sort, to have what was done to the Khan - go from a vague sketch, to something living and breathing - be given to Ferrus too. Whether it's lovely weapon in (Ferrus) Man(us) form, all-rounder or something better still... the real crime would be if they somehow made him less interesting. Or still markedly less interesting than the rest of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I just hope they do Sanguinius justice when it's his turn. By all accounts, they guy should be a one man wrecking ball. So far in the HH series he has been kind of pouty, which is understandable given his closet brother has betrayed him and everything he stands for. I just hope by the time the Siege of Terra rolls around, Sanguinius has gotten over it and its balls to wall Angel-of-Vengeance mode Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I hope ADB does Sanguinius, Black Library would be crazy not to go with that option, if its on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 We've always heard about his rage under the surface but never witnessed it. Bit of a lame duck at the moment until someone does him justice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Well this looks interesting: https://twitter.com/DennisHamster/status/821383329379393538 Nothing like some subjective timekeeping Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 But Ferrus Manus is such an unknown quantity, might get the limited edition of that, which I would expect in October.Guymer's a very fine author, and I know precisely what you mean otherwise. Ferrus, at this stage, is almost as faceless as the Khan. His portrayal in Fulgrim might as well be Index Astartes, given how the series has developed and flourished since. (Chunter about McNeill's work as I do sometimes, I was actually quite fond of the gregarious, personably gruff Ferrus we saw there. It wasn't world-changing, but compared to the Iron Hands that have developed since, it'd be a brilliant counterpoint [and vindication kf his role in Isstvan V] if he's portrayed as 'in the same league' as Fulgrim, Sanguinius and, of course, Horus e.g. an intensely competent all-rounder who's generally liked by everyone, even if grudgingly. [unlike the Lion, Russ or Guilliman, say - approved by everyone, after a sort of undeniable acceptance of unfettered skill, but not at all necessarily *liked*..., perhaps a bit like Dorn & Perturabo too...]) Indeed, Ferrus (and Mortarion, though Scars did an excellent service to him in brief passing) are pretty much the only two I feel still a touch distance to from. Lots more to see of almost everyone, but Ferrus is in an arguably uniquely difficult situation for that to happen.... I will disagree with you. We should move forwards not backwards. Story of Manus will give us nothing, another filler just to make up for another really dull HH year. Mortarion on the other hand got such a specific description from Wraight that I do not think anyone could do it better. I just hope they do Sanguinius justice when it's his turn. By all accounts, they guy should be a one man wrecking ball. So far in the HH series he has been kind of pouty, which is understandable given his closet brother has betrayed him and everything he stands for. I just hope by the time the Siege of Terra rolls around, Sanguinius has gotten over it and its balls to wall Angel-of-Vengeance mode Sanguinius on the other hand suffers from different depiction in HH and not in a good way. We still need a good author to do him justice he deserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4626911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just finished Leman Russ. Unfortunately, didn't find it to be one of Wraight's stronger works, and falls into boring bolter porn more than once. I'm sorry, but I just don't find battle reports exciting. Entire skirmishes are written without ever once describing what a character thinks of the situation, without any line of dialogue, and with no character for the Dulanians. They may as well have been orks. Everything between the Lion and Russ was gold though, I just wish there had been more of it. I'm hoping we get some more character driven stuff out of this series, because so far it seems content to bring us tantalizingly close to some genuinely enlightening content, but buries it in a mountain of bolter shells. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4630799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hm... Thought the series would have more to offer in terms of characterization and development. More like a series of origin stories. Hope that the coming books will be different though.ost curious about Magnus and Ferrus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4630807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hm... Thought the series would have more to offer in terms of characterization and development. More like a series of origin stories. Hope that the coming books will be different though.ost curious about Magnus and Ferrus. Agreed. For me The Primarchs should have been just that...origin or early days stories. Things that gave us extra insight into their actions and motivations while also revealing more of what happened during The Great Crusade. Because that is proving to Not be the case I am not buying any of them (pending reviews I guess I might pick up one or two but not the series). For me #missedopportunity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4630843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Indeed. Same here. Depending on reviews and receptions, I'll pick up some of interest like Russ. Those I'm really interested in (and will hopefully be decent) Magnus Alpharius / Omegon Khan Russ (regardless of being bolterand porn, I'll stick pick that one up sometimes) Those which might caught my attention depending on reviews Lorgar Perturabo Kurze Ferrus Johnson Rest never awoke my interest. Though I once was a big Salamanders & Raven Guard fan, that interest has long gone and turned on decent stuff like the Scars. What I would like to see: Corax & Arkhas Fal done by Robbie for any Carcharodons shenanigans. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4630873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 If they do anything to do with Corax and his exiling of the Terrans I'd say it will be somewhat vague to keep the open ended story like what Robbie has done with his recent Red Tithe book. Don't think there'll ever be a definitive answer with the origins etc. I'm more interested in the Lycaeus Uprising, and developing Corax's story a bit. Would be good to see his insights on having to recruit depraved individuals such as Kaedes Nex and Nathanian to achieve his means. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4631050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I too hope they would put some power into Sanguinius. Imperium Secundus books made him lamest primarch ever and Fear to Thread was totally uninspiring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4631111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just finished Leman Russ. Unfortunately, didn't find it to be one of Wraight's stronger works, and falls into boring bolter porn more than once. I'm sorry, but I just don't find battle reports exciting. Entire skirmishes are written without ever once describing what a character thinks of the situation, without any line of dialogue, and with no character for the Dulanians. They may as well have been orks. Everything between the Lion and Russ was gold though, I just wish there had been more of it. I'm hoping we get some more character driven stuff out of this series, because so far it seems content to bring us tantalizingly close to some genuinely enlightening content, but buries it in a mountain of bolter shells. True, probably the best SW novels from BL to date. Indeed. Same here. Depending on reviews and receptions, I'll pick up some of interest like Russ. Those I'm really interested in (and will hopefully be decent) Magnus Alpharius / Omegon Khan Russ (regardless of being bolterand porn, I'll stick pick that one up sometimes) Those which might caught my attention depending on reviews Lorgar Perturabo Kurze Ferrus Johnson Rest never awoke my interest. Though I once was a big Salamanders & Raven Guard fan, that interest has long gone and turned on decent stuff like the Scars. What I would like to see: Corax & Arkhas Fal done by Robbie for any Carcharodons shenanigans. ^^ What I need is Alpharius and Vulkan (not from Kyme) lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4631925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The only things I hope for more than a decent Horus novel is a Vulkan novel from not-Kyme and a Corax novel from not-Thorpe. I don't want the only appearance of Corax on my shelf to be that one time he beat the piss out of Lorgar, awesome though it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4632284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The only things I hope for more than a decent Horus novel is a Vulkan novel from not-Kyme and a Corax novel from not-Thorpe. I don't want the only appearance of Corax on my shelf to be that one time he beat the piss out of Lorgar, awesome though it was. Amen to that, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4632301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The only things I hope for more than a decent Horus novel is a Vulkan novel from not-Kyme and a Corax novel from not-Thorpe. I don't want the only appearance of Corax on my shelf to be that one time he beat the piss out of Lorgar, awesome though it was. QFT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4632366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Who would be your dream authors for each primarch, including non-BL and even non-genre writers? Just thinking out loud, I'm a mix. I'd love Abnett's or French's return to Alpharius, but also French's return to Dorn,Farrer doing Peturabo perhaps, or since it is unannounced, Ferrus, Nik Vincent somewhere in there as I love her prose and I think it would be exciting to see her take on one of the first four traitors, for example. Now my fantasy would include Neil Gaiman's Corax, Gene Wolfe's Sanguinius or Curze, Ta Nehisi Coates doing Ferrus or Vulkan, the writing duo James SA Corey in there, and in an utterly mad delightful world, someone stunningly beautiful with language and theme like Hillary Mantel, doing any of them ... A rather unlikely line up, of course, but I like my mix of fantasy and reality :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4632528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Perturabo is next in line by Guy Haley, so no Farrer there. I'd like to see Peter Fehervari's take on Corax or the Lion. He's great with mysterious, layered characters and secrets behind secrets, and every story of his is unbelievably bleak and grim, which fits those Primarchs nicely. Other than that I'd like to see Sanguinius handled by Andy Smillie since he's already got a good grip on Amit and Azkaellon and those two could make for good PoV characters to explore the duality of Sanguinius in greater depth. He did a good job with Sins of the Father/Virtues of the Sons but with a Great Crusade novel he could include a lot more of the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328057-upcoming-primarch-novellas-your-expectations/page/6/#findComment-4632559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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