Horus Heresy releases we know about but what next?

[HeritorA]

At least you don't have to see half your Legion rebel against your Primarch, then lose most of what remains in a bombastic battle that rips your home planet apart, and casts potential traitors into the warp to reappear sometime in the future and rally the traitor legions against you. Even the novels that are linked to Angels of Caliban, the Chapter takes magnificent losses thanks to Astelan and co's machinations, including a good chunk of the Deathwing and Ravenwing.

I don't think either of the Space Wolves or Dark Angels gets off lightly in the grand scheme of things. At least the Wolves can still count upon one another's loyalty to Russ.

The Lion may get my favorite quote of the Heresy: "Loyalty is its own reward"

Indeed it is so. Shocked - I agreed with you. Because it's not space puppies

So another "the Wolves get slaughtered and need to be saved by somebody else" story?

Oh joy.

How many is that now? I seem to recall your view of Wolf King was favourable. Does seem that some writers have gone too far with their desire to counter perceived plot armour.

Creating a good story?

[hopkins]

relevant content for the HH going forward

great interview with laurie goulding, who is also leaving BL

 

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-one/

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-two/

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Bluntblade: how many does this makes? I think every Wolf story outside of Howl of the Hearthworld has them being slaughtered, rescued or needing outside assistance to win.

 

On Wolf King, I believe that Wraight wrote a damn good story in the confines of past lore. He couldn't change the core of the story but by giving the reader good looks into key elements of the Vlka Fenryka, overrode any hesitance I may have had.

One thing I feel very sorry for is the restraint placed in writers by past HH events. What has only existed in a blurb or short story now has to be turned into a story that makes sense and is enjoyable.

 

@HeritorA: my horrible bias aside, no wolf story told so far breaks into my top 5 HH stories (Betrayer, First Heretic, Praetorian, Scars and Path to Heaven). They may not even be in the top 10.

[Runefyre]

Bluntblade: how many does this makes? I think every Wolf story outside of Howl of the Hearthworld has them being slaughtered, rescued or needing outside assistance to win.

 

On Wolf King, I believe that Wraight wrote a damn good story in the confines of past lore. He couldn't change the core of the story but by giving the reader good looks into key elements of the Vlka Fenryka, overrode any hesitance I may have had.

One thing I feel very sorry for is the restraint placed in writers by past HH events. What has only existed in a blurb or short story now has to be turned into a story that makes sense and is enjoyable.

 

@HeritorA: my horrible bias aside, no wolf story told so far breaks into my top 5 HH stories (Betrayer, First Heretic, Praetorian, Scars and Path to Heaven). They may not even be in the top 10.

Wolf at the Door gives Bulveye and the 13 co. a good showing. It's failing is that it's a generic GC era combat that every other legion has had before. It has no bearing on the greater HH story arc, which is were the Wolves seriously fall short.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Agreed, it may be one of the two that make my Top 10 (the other being the Wolf King)

[DukeLeto69]

relevant content for the HH going forward

great interview with laurie goulding, who is also leaving BL

 

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-one/

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-two/

Thanks for that. Made for very interesting reading. Shame Laurie is leaving but good to hear how well planned out the rest of HH is. Also interesting reading his ideas for how they could have done HH differently with hindsight.

[HeritorA]

Bluntblade: how many does this makes? I think every Wolf story outside of Howl of the Hearthworld has them being slaughtered, rescued or needing outside assistance to win.

 

On Wolf King, I believe that Wraight wrote a damn good story in the confines of past lore. He couldn't change the core of the story but by giving the reader good looks into key elements of the Vlka Fenryka, overrode any hesitance I may have had.

One thing I feel very sorry for is the restraint placed in writers by past HH events. What has only existed in a blurb or short story now has to be turned into a story that makes sense and is enjoyable.

 

@HeritorA: my horrible bias aside, no wolf story told so far breaks into my top 5 HH stories (Betrayer, First Heretic, Praetorian, Scars and Path to Heaven). They may not even be in the top 10.

amazing top 5 list by the way. Same as mine, lol. I only had Horus Rising instead of Betrayer.

 

relevant content for the HH going forward

great interview with laurie goulding, who is also leaving BL

 

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-one/

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-two/

Laurie Goulding leaving BL?????

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

HeritorA: it was a last minute tie between Praetorian and Horus Rising, but I felt like adding a tie was cheating!

 

Wow, Goulding leaving!! I know what I'm reading during my lunch break

[HeritorA]

HeritorA: it was a last minute tie between Praetorian and Horus Rising, but I felt like adding a tie was cheating!

 

Wow, Goulding leaving!! I know what I'm reading during my lunch break

true both are really good. Horus Rising won cause being the first, the starting point, Alpha and Omega on itself

[b1soul]

@HeritorA: my horrible bias aside, no wolf story told so far breaks into my top 5 HH stories (Betrayer, First Heretic, Praetorian, Scars and Path to Heaven). They may not even be in the top 10.

Good list...

 

I have, ranked from top to bottom

 

1. PoH

2. Scars

3. Horus Rising

4. Legion/Prospero Burns (tie - I'm a fan of neither the puppies nor the snakes...but this is damned fine writing)

5. First Heretic

[Scribe]

I really gotta get my hands on PoH and PoD...

[HeritorA]

I really gotta get my hands on PoH and PoD...

if you haven't yet - you missed the 2 best books of 2016

[Pariah32]

Yarant was a big armor and Titan battle, due to it being originally written about for Epic. It should be the only showing of the space wolves en masse on the ground fighting conventionally, which will be cool because we always see them doing interface assaults (prospero) or zone mortalis (Wolf King). I'm definitely looking forward to some Viking Blitzkrieg action because those are two of my favorite things.

 

Like how sick would it be to read about space wolf armored divisions taking down titans?

 

Wow that would be so awesome! I really really want the battle of Yarant it sounds so visceral. Give it to us BL.

 

Tallern Ironclad was a genious way of covering a brutal campaign in such a short space of time, they should do the battle of Yarant the same way.

 

I read Corax but unfortunately that was the end of the whole Yarant campaign.

 

On a side note who would you think would do this whole batlle for Yarant justice? My money's of Chris Wraight or John French

[Marshal Rohr]

I think Graham McNeill coined the idea of the wolves here because of his old studio ties, so maybe he's writing it.

[bluntblade]

You mean the Wolves won't be on the ground, being kicked? Surely not.

 

On a serious note, sounds promising. It'd be nice to see the Wolves do something different

[Arkangilos]

I think that just about every legion has a ton they can complain about. I'm not saying SW had it good or anything, I'm just saying that few authors pull it off where the legion appeals to almost all of its fans.

 

I just hope the next BA book comes about and justifies a lot, and captures their character well. Fear to Tread wasn't terrible, but I'm not a big fan of it. The legion organization sucked and made no sense, the way the characters acted is annoying, and I hated the addition of the Space Wolves. All it did was create pointless characters who didn't need to be there and ultimately just made me dislike the Wolves, to die off. If they were going to be watched it should have been the custodes. If they wanted to put in the Wolves, it should have been as a culture swap, with a squad of BA going to the space Wolves legion. That would have made their deaths even more tragic.

 

But I really really hope they fix that stupid organization of having Sanguinius > 300 companies > legionairs. It needs to be Sanguinius > chapter > companies at the minimum.

[LJF]

Forget the Space Wolves, they have been completely and utterly screwed in this series to the point they are no longer salvagable. I don't want to see more of them unless Abnett writes it, which isn't very likely. I'd much rather see legions we haven't heard from for quite some time like DG, SoH, IW etc.

[Xisor]

I'd suggested elsewhere I think 43 and 46 should have really awesome covers with great titles and subtitles, but with the content completely absent. Just well made, but blank, 400page hardback notebooks.

 

Deliberately blank so you can add in your own HH content. ;)

[LJF]

I'd suggested elsewhere I think 43 and 46 should have really awesome covers with great titles and subtitles, but with the content completely absent. Just well made, but blank, 400page hardback notebooks.

Deliberately blank so you can add in your own HH content.

2nd and 11th legions novels then?

[Runefyre]

I think that just about every legion has a ton they can complain about. I'm not saying SW had it good or anything, I'm just saying that few authors pull it off where the legion appeals to almost all of its fans.

But just about every legion also has awesome moments and actual victories that they can point to. The Wolves have none of that.

I just hope the next BA book comes about and justifies a lot, and captures their character well. Fear to Tread wasn't terrible, but I'm not a big fan of it. The legion organization sucked and made no sense, the way the characters acted is annoying, and I hated the addition of the Space Wolves. All it did was create pointless characters who didn't need to be there and ultimately just made me dislike the Wolves, to die off. If they were going to be watched it should have been the custodes. If they wanted to put in the Wolves, it should have been as a culture swap, with a squad of BA going to the space Wolves legion. That would have made their deaths even more tragic.

I agree with you 100%. The watch-packs are a idea that only serves to make the Wolves look like incompetent dicks who can't fight worth a damn.

But I really really hope they fix that stupid organization of having Sanguinius > 300 companies > legionairs. It needs to be Sanguinius > chapter > companies at the minimum.

Forget the Space Wolves, they have been completely and utterly screwed in this series to the point they are no longer salvagable. I don't want to see more of them unless Abnett writes it, which isn't very likely. I'd much rather see legions we haven't heard from for quite some time like DG, SoH, IW etc.

The Wolves are far from un-salvageable. They just need a story arc similar to the WS's and DA's were they can truly shine. Doesn't look like it'll happen though, seems we're on a crash course for another AL superiority story were the Wolves get canned. *sigh*

[Scribe]

The Wolf arc was just let down by PB, thats all. That should have been the book people can look to as an example of them at their peak, but it was poorly done.

 

They just are now a faction on the edges of the story, like the shattered legions that got WAY too much time in print.

[Roomsky]

I have no objective points in favour of the treatment of the Wolves, but I quite like them in the Heresy. 

 

I support the decisions made mostly because I didn't like them at all going into the series, but now I would consider myself a fan of their legion. A Thousand Sons paints an awesome picture, of Russ in particular, and Prospero Burns is one of the most in-depth and interesting legion descriptions I've read all series. I feared reading about them at first, thinking I'd be stuck with a bunch of space-vikings who are good at everything because :cussy.

 

Instead I found a layered legion with several characters I actually care about, Bjorn being only one of many, and in addition to all that they get to be humorous as well as badass in the way of the watchpacks, Guilliman's in particular are a treat.

 

I really don't give two :cusss about combat record or TOTALLY EPIC!!11 moments with a legion. I want character, and I want characters. I want an interesting story more than anything, and for me, the Wolves have delivered in spades.

[b1soul]

In Unremembered Empire, the SW watch pack was positively heroic when it faced Curze...no sarcasm on my part

 

I rooted for them 100% and they acquitted themselves as well as a hamdful of SM could against a primarch

[bluntblade]

One a scale of 1 to Sagyar Mazan, how well?

[b1soul]

They drew blood against Curze more than once...though Curze, as expected, ended up rag-dolling the lot of them