Grifftofer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I am split in half. The fanboy in me is beyond ecstatic that I may be able to field Sanguinius in all of his glory in 40k, representing true nobility as the Blood Angels crusade against the enemies of Mankind. The writer in me is furious and terrified. Sanguinius' sacrifice is a cornerstone of the entire setting and one of the key pillars of the Blood Angels' character. To have him come back is in serious danger of cheapening his original sacrifice. That and I'm not sure I trust GW to handle this potential rebirth well. Agreed. Basically exactly how I feel, just written more coherently. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 In all fairness GW has set this potential up for years and years, and in the universal "laws" of the Grimdark, Primarchs are beings bound with Warp energy and he's a Psyker, limited albeit. Add in The Emperor tossing in his own near limitless Psychic might and I can very easily see Sanguinius getting a body of light type Resurrection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 We already head undead Ferrus Manus made of FIRE in MoM, we have precedent for shenanigans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Fair, though the writing quality hasn't always been there. Speaking hypothetically since none of this is actually confirmed, since Sanguinius' original sword is destroyed, would he wield the Spear of Telesto? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I hope he bloody doesn't, I want that book series confined to the deepest cell on Uran. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Which series? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 The Blood Angel 40k novels by James Swallow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I read them before getting into the Blood Angels as a whole and even I, in my ignorance, went "Wait, hold on, what?" in that series waaaaaaaaay too many times to be a good thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Are they infamous? Wasn't really aware of them before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Wife has gone to be, now it's time for my humble opinion. Manus returning as the leader of the Legion of the Damned is more than ok to me. Why? It just makes sense that a being like a Primarch, whose death was the epitome of the Istvaan atrocities, would lead a legion of raging wraths. Sanguinius returning? I'm torn. Not only with his possible return but with the entire Primaris stuff. On the one hand, it's really cool and adds a new level of possibilities to the overall setting. Therefore :tu: On the other hand, did GW released stuff like the Gathering Storm or even Warzone Fenris (which I actually bought for the fluff), which were not as good as it used to be in terms of consistency and quality. Therefore, I'm beginning to fear that they just srew up the chances and possibilites which would come with the Primaris. And I was never a fan of reviving DEAD Primarchs. Lost ones? Sure. Bring Russ, Corax, Lorgar and the Khan back! And don't forget the Lion! Seemingly dead ones? uuuuuhhh that's tough...RGs revival is a bit too much of Ward's 5th edition fluff massacre. Primarchs with status unknown? Depends on how they're doing it. Dorn? Ok as long as it is well done. Dead Primarchs? I'm counting Curze, Sangi, Manus, Horus and RG (and another one which was dealt with in PoD). No, just no. Manus as wrath? As I said, THAT would be ok as long as he keeps spawning randomly like the LotD. The rest would just screw their entire fluff. Imho But for the lolz, here's my suggestion of what they might do with the Big E vs Horus fight: Sangi fights Horus, trying to drag him into the light again and wins! Big E shows up, telling Sangi to kill Horus. Sangi refuses, stating that there is still something good in him and that he just can't kill his beloved brothers. Big E comes closer, saying: DO IT! End his life and take your place at my side, leading to a variation of this: Horus rises again, seeing Sangi being killed by the Emperor. As he still loves his most trusted brothers, Horus charges at the Emperor. While being distracted, does the Emperor not see the final blow. Both, Horus and the Emperor die in a apocalyptic clash. In the meantime, Sangi's observing their last stand. With his last breath does he say: "Everything is how I have foreseen it...the visions were true...finally, they end." Sad thing is, the Emperor survived barely. Timejump 10K years later Baal is getting screwed by Nids, Orks and whoever wants to participate. By means yet unknown does Sangi return. His last moments still fresh in his mind, he declares that the Emperor was the one, who messed it all up. As such, he announces his wish of avenging everything which happened in the last years, blaming his father for it. With Horus name on his lips, he gathers his forces, leading to his corruption and rise as the new chosen of chaos. The angel of death is alive again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Wait, one cotton-picking minute! If Sanguinius returns, he better be as pure as he was back then! Bringing him back only to corrupt him would be the ultimate insult to the Blood Angels. Also, I'm surprised that you emphasize RG was dead, Kel. I thought it was that the dead pairs were Horus-Sanguinius and Konrad-Dorn. I thought RG was always on the verge of death, just in stasis, but not really dead. That does bring another problem to mind with the potential to resurrect dead Primarchs. Horus and Sanguinius were sort of the 'best of the best' in their days. With their deaths, it offers a chance to allow others to step forward and gain some attention, like the Khan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Maybe, but the Scars are still disregarded by the fandom at large. Even in the Heresy people are predicting they won't get attention from FW until Terra. Perhaps they should bring the Lion back. Of all the loyal Primarchs he'd fit best in 40K. Does amuse me that the best Horus appearance for the last few ears was in a Scars book, though Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I always counted RG as one of the "no, they will not come back" Primarchs. Fulgrims blade was poisened if I remember correctly. So it was a safebet (for me) that RG would initially die when released from stasis. And like Sete, I still believe that the 40K RG is in fact Omegon. :D I do see your point regarding Sangi has to be pure. But wouldn't it be so damn ironic? Baal is on the :cuss:ed side of the Imperium, within the so-called Dark Imperium. It wouldn't surprise me if they would do something. Not saying that they will do but when Atia said that nearly everything of this important battle will be retconned, I just imagined of what that might be. So I came up with the idea of Sangi refusing to kill his brother, Emperor getting mad at him, Horus trying to save Sangi (without being redeemed). Sangi gets stabbed by the Emperor, Horus attacks, big badaboom, etc. etc. I really hope that they don't make the Khan a freakin' Dark Eldar raiderlord or something like that! Of all Primarchs are Russ & the Khan my most favorite on the loyalist side. Don't you dare to ruin them, GW! O_O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Brothers, while I do so enjoy these heated discussion of ours, pray tell, who are these strange people you speak of and why are you discussing their loyalty? :confused: bluntblade and Skalpynock 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Some :cusss and one stupendous :cuss with :cussing angel wings <- Rakta, probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I actually don't mind Ferrus having a warp "shadow" that leads the LotD. Primarchs are important beings and their deaths are bound to cause ripples in the warp, just like the mass shock and grief of the IH at his grief is going to have an effect, particularly seeing as it's likely amplified by the mass carnage of Istvaan V. So Ferrus have a warp "shadow" I don't mind as it's similar to things like the Sanguinor. Sanguinius coming back though...I don't like it. I feel there would be greater effect of they did something with the Sanguinor instead, like the Blood Angel's desperation amplifying it to near demi-god like power. That was something I wanted to see when first read about the Sanguinor. A return of Sanguinius cheapens his initial sacrifice imo. Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) This. Btw, I'm away for a few weeks in June, and therefore not sure how productive I'll be. Should have the next edited Vizenko section up for review tomorrow; interestingly, it seems this will be more divisive than Nikaea was in canon Edited May 18, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 This. Btw, I'm away for a few weeks in June, and therefore not sure how productive I'll be. Should have the next edited Vizenko section up for review tomorrow; interestingly, it seems this will be more divisive than Nikaea was in canon Oh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 For the record, and with real Legions in mind, Kozja's return at the End of Times owes nothing to foul Xenos, though the Mechanicum may have a hand in it. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4746908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 This. Btw, I'm away for a few weeks in June, and therefore not sure how productive I'll be. Should have the next edited Vizenko section up for review tomorrow; interestingly, it seems this will be more divisive than Nikaea was in canon Oh? It seems to calcify several Primarchs' worries about The Way Things Are Going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Does anyone want to claim guardianship of the Ossuary for their Legion? It's a monument in the Sol System void to the Astartes who died to reclaim the system. In canon the Word Bearers stand guard over it until Sigismund purges them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 hm...one of the Wardens, maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Yeah. Wardens of light. They stay there even when the call to carrbannog comes and they stay there even when thre traitors arrive and their corpses lie there when the traitors leave. They bear the color of the apostles of war. Never changing theirs to wardens color. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The chainsword now grants +1 Attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) The chainsword now grants +1 Attack. Yep. Now it remains to be seen if we get +1 attack for additional combat weapons and charging still. If so then combat units will hit like a truck. Even so Legion Tactical Marines and Assault Marines with chainswords are going to be awesome. You get a pistol shot in the shooting phase followed by many attacks in the combat phase they are going to be properly viable combat units. I will say I'm pleasantly entertained that my suppositions on weapon profiles are pretty close to what has been shown today Edited May 19, 2017 by Grifftofer simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/60/#findComment-4747652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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