TheMostGood Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Well his will hopefully enable me to finish painting the rest of my Tau army before GK get something big. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 So after all that, he's just a Mastery 3 Grand Master with an at Initiative daemonhammer? I don't think he really replaces Draigo in our lists. If you want an expensive beatstick with utility powers, Supreme Grand Master already does that. I guess if in context you couldn't take Lord of Wars, you'd take him as a legal Draigo. But he's just so much worse. I'm gonna go back to not caring about the current release cycle. GW clearly have no understanding of the game. 8th edition needs to get here soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Voldus starts out just as how I was speculating: He should be a kickass Librarian so...stock ML3? But he's also a GM with a (unique?) Daemon Hammer so...3-4 wounds AND 3-4 attacks base? I'm thinking, what if he swings his daemonhammer at Initiative and is MC... With the added WT Lore Master. But then he sort of stops with the rules, while be 20-30 points more than I hoped. No psychic buff or greater utility which we really needed as an army. As he is, he is "okay" at best imo. If he was 30-40 points cheaper I might be tempted to say he is situational good where you can replace a ML3 Libby in a list that doesn't also have Draigo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 And to top it off his model (yeah I know I'm the only guy that thinks this) is nothing special that can't really be kitbashed in approximation. Unlike RG and Cypher. He's sadly rather forgettable. As a unit in game and a model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 And to top it off his model (yeah I know I'm the only guy that thinks this) is nothing special that can't really be kitbashed in approximation. Unlike RG and Cypher. He's sadly rather forgettable. As a unit in game and a model. and sadly the GK army in general is going that way. It's becoming an "Oh we're playing daemons let's put in an allied GK detachment" army rather than a stand alone force we want it to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdigitalGK Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I have hope that the new Daemonic Adversaries makes it so that we can declare other people as Daemons and at least get preferred enemy on them, best case wording it so we can use banishment on them as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I have hope that the new Daemonic Adversaries makes it so that we can declare other people as Daemons and at least get preferred enemy on them, best case wording it so we can use banishment on them as well. This is what I'm hoping. But because it's us, it'll likely give the enemy some daemon buffs for free,in order to give us our buffs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4675902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yup. Included Magnus for free in your Army if your opponent uses any units with Faction: Grey Knights. Because RG can beat Magnus in a fight now, and is half the cost. So get him Free!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yup. Included Magnus for free in your Army if your opponent uses any units with Faction: Grey Knights. Because RG can beat Magnus in a fight now, and is half the cost. So get him Free!!!! It's getting to the point where these comments are pushing into the realm of liklihood hahaha At this point I'll take whatever scraps GW is throwing our way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yup. Included Magnus for free in your Army if your opponent uses any units with Faction: Grey Knights. Because RG can beat Magnus in a fight now, and is half the cost. So get him Free!!!! It's getting to the point where these comments are pushing into the realm of liklihood hahaha At this point I'll take whatever scraps GW is throwing our way... Unfortunately it is only scraps whereas the other armies are all getting steak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 And to top it off his model (yeah I know I'm the only guy that thinks this) is nothing special that can't really be kitbashed in approximation. Unlike RG and Cypher. He's sadly rather forgettable. As a unit in game and a model. Well he's in a chapter that's secretly fighting against chaos. It sort of pays to be "forgettable" when you have that job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 And to top it off his model (yeah I know I'm the only guy that thinks this) is nothing special that can't really be kitbashed in approximation. Unlike RG and Cypher. He's sadly rather forgettable. As a unit in game and a model. Well he's in a chapter that's secretly fighting against chaos. It sort of pays to be "forgettable" when you have that job. Lorewise.. definitely. In-game.. not so much =/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I have hope that the new Daemonic Adversaries makes it so that we can declare other people as Daemons and at least get preferred enemy on them, best case wording it so we can use banishment on them as well. This is what I'm hoping. But because it's us, it'll likely give the enemy some daemon buffs for free,in order to give us our buffs. Yeah sorta...lol Most interesting thing I've seen is a fun little chart that's optional (by mutual agreement) between a Grey Knight player and their opponent, which turns their opponent into a 'Demonic Adversary' - basically their Warlord gets the Demon, Fleshbane, Armourbane and Smash rules as well as a 3++ and any of their independent characters (unless Genestealer Cult or Tyranid) can be upgraded to have the Demon special rule and ML1 Psyker for free (or 25pts for ML2). Tau and Necron only get the Demon rule - no psykers for them. Then, at the start of each of their psychic phases, the Adversary gets to roll D6+turn number and consults a chart for a free random buff ranging from free Warp Charge, a permanent +1 Strength/Toughness, random shots from the sky hitting units (ala Warpstorm Table from Demon codex), Independing Characters getting upgrading to Demon/Eternal Warrior, free auto-success undeniable Summoning power and so on. Looks really fun for a Word Bearers army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Most interesting thing I've seen is a fun little chart that's optional (by mutual agreement) between a Grey Knight player and their opponent, which turns their opponent into a 'Demonic Adversary' - basically their Warlord gets the Demon, Fleshbane, Armourbane and Smash rules as well as a 3++ and any of their independent characters (unless Genestealer Cult or Tyranid) can be upgraded to have the Demon special rule and ML1 Psyker for free (or 25pts for ML2). Tau and Necron only get the Demon rule - no psykers for them. Then, at the start of each of their psychic phases, the Adversary gets to roll D6+turn number and consults a chart for a free random buff ranging from free Warp Charge, a permanent +1 Strength/Toughness, random shots from the sky hitting units (ala Warpstorm Table from Demon codex), Independing Characters getting upgrading to Demon/Eternal Warrior, free auto-success undeniable Summoning power and so on. Looks really fun for a Word Bearers army! If that is true wow we get to use our PE:Chaos Daemons and the opponent gets a :cussload of buffs. What a waste of time, have the GKs really pissed of GW that much. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 So pointless! So their independent characters basically get a permanent 6 roll on the perils chart and a Mastery level, we then gain all our buffs, but only towards that 1 guy lol. Waste of time sorting that out if you ask me. I'd rather just play without the rules. Would have been much cooler if it just gave the opponent army the Daemon rules with a +1 to invulnerable saves. Would have given them a cool buff (mostly just a 6++ on everything) and we would have more use from our abilities that we pay for, but rarely use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yup, won't touch that "narrative" with a barge pole... GK Player to Tau/Necron Player: "Shall we use these mutually agreeable new rules?" T/N Player: "So, I can choose to make any of my ICs Daemons, but don't get the PML for doing so?" GK Player: "Yup. Basically you're letting me use my PE: Daemons against all your ICs, for no gain." T/N Player: "Hah. No." GK Player: "But..." T/N Player: "No." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Oh and I get to use PE on the Warlord. For my opponent to get *FREE UNDENYABLE SUMMONING*. That's a big can of nope. Never going to happen. What a waste... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yup, won't touch that "narrative" with a barge pole... GK Player to Tau/Necron Player: "Shall we use these mutually agreeable new rules?" T/N Player: "So, I can choose to make any of my ICs Daemons, but don't get the PML for doing so?" GK Player: "Yup. Basically you're letting me use my PE: Daemons against all your ICs, for no gain." T/N Player: "Hah. No." GK Player: "But..." T/N Player: "No." well its not no benefit. They get the daemon rule, which gives an invun and fear. But obviously it's still all poooo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4676855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I was actually so stoked for this release, was thinking of selling my TS in order to purchase Grey Knights cos I had such faith that GW would finally bring them the formations that they need.....PWAHAHAHAHAHAHA how wrong I was, good thing I didn't sell anything! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4677065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Such a shame! Especially after the rumours that ward had a hand in the release. He made us great a while back. Was hoping the same this time around. His rules are good, his fluff is not though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4677097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMostGood Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 There's no way that taking GK some how buffs the opposing army. I would take that with a grain of salt. An entire mine of salt. An ocean of salt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4677735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollbeard Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 So I'm still thinking we haven't seen all of Voldus' rules yet, maybe it's wishful thinking... BUT every other triumvirate model has had some nifty rules that either buff units or the army itself and I think Voldus will too! Guess we gotta play the waiting game. I'd be seriously disappointed if that's all he had... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4677833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMostGood Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Some more leaks of the rules. No post on Voldus yet unfortunately! Here is what is out so far.http://imgur.com/a/AM504 Most of the formations focuses on Guilliman and the Ultramarines, as it should. Perhaps there is some applications that can be applied here for some armies. I think that most of the formations here won't really help out the Grey Knights except maybe Cypher's. Being able to infiltrate "Fallen" is pretty big actually. AFAIK, the Fallen have access to special weapons and in large numbers. They are not limited to the 1 per 5 rule. This could be a reliable source of melta or other heavy weapons that we might lack. Granted, i'm pretty sure these are the exact rules that were before, so I'm not sure if anything changes here. It's looking pretty grim...dark.Edit: It is in German, but here are Voldus' rules. So BS6 // WS5 // S4 // T4 // W3 // I5 // A4 // LD10 --- 2/4++He has all the grenades they normally get, a stormbolter, an Iron Halo, and a normal hammer from the looks of it. No special rules that GK do not have otherwise. His warlord trait is Lore Master and he is stated to know the normal psychic powers, on top of the four new ones. His weapon is Sx2 AP 2 - Melee, Force, Daemonbane, Specialist Weapon, and some other ability I cannot google translate successfully. He is essentially a Grand Master that gets an extra Mastery Level and a Daemonhammer at initiative for 20pts more (if kitted out to equal Voldus). The downside is you lose the ability to roll for other warlord traits (if you wanted to) and you do not get a special weapon choice. I suppose it all hinges on what that one rule for his weapon is that I cannot translate. https://warofsigmar.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/blogging/picture2/1774/20170308_211604.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4677848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 His weapon is Sx2 AP 2 - Melee, Force, Daemonbane, Specialist Weapon, and some other ability I cannot google translate successfully. It is Concussive. in case some people were hoping for it to be something good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4678145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 https://spikeybits.com/2017/03/40k-daemons-get-new-rules-too-adversaries-chart-spotted.html What a joke, are we the only faction that gets rules to buff the enemy? His weapon is Sx2 AP 2 - Melee, Force, Daemonbane, Specialist Weapon, and some other ability I cannot google translate successfully. It is Concussive. in case some people were hoping for it to be something good. Sad.. just sad... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/7/#findComment-4678183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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