duz_ Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Wait what?? There's literally no downside to their buffs? They don't even become daemons for our PE and daemonbane to work! If I was the opponent I would happily accept the buff to my WL with no consequence. Making an IC a daemon is purely optional for them. Ugh Well at least we know GW can still put out dud rules and doesnt know what consistency is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Can't access the link at work. Would someone be so kind as to C&P the most relevant bits so I can join in the sorrow? Edit: If we really get no benefit form the Daemonic Adversary rule, that's the largest crock GW have released in a while. GK, you know that super popular and super winning army, can choose to allow their opponents to get some free buffs. Because our opponents need all the help they can get. Apparently. Because our Grav and D weapon spamming is something other people can't deal with.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Wait what?? There's literally no downside to their buffs? They don't even become daemons for our PE and daemonbane to work! If I was the opponent I would happily accept the buff to my WL with no consequence. Making an IC a daemon is purely optional for them. Ugh Well at least we know GW can still put out dud rules and doesnt know what consistency is. Demonic Possession: The WL must gain the Daemon special rule if it also wants the buffs. For ICs, if they want to become a psyker they must also gain the Daemon special rule. For the opponent's ICs who are already psykers, they may choose to give them the Daemon special rule if they want. For the invulnerable save and fear buff - but at the cost of PE for the Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 And if you choise to use these optional rules. Your opponent gets to use faction chaos daemons units as aoc to every other faction. Amusingly enough, also to faction gk. If both players include gk units... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiasco Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I guess it's a good thing that expectations were set low well before the rules even began to leak. Hope is the first step down the road to disappointment and all that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrom Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Yep... we get a more than average or over costed character even by regular codex standard from a book where cheesiness seem to be the norm. And because you know, GK are so successful and still so strong we need to give buff in order the make the game even. The problem with GK I think is we are still paying from the Mat Ward :cuss. It is surprising to see the number of people who are still mind locked about GK reputation and think even now that GK are OP. Because games workshop rarely play it's own game unless they have a white dwarf article to make in a rush they still think somehow that GK have to be nerfed or balanced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 And if you choise to use these optional rules. Your opponent gets to use faction chaos daemons units as aoc to every other faction. Amusingly enough, also to faction gk. If both players include gk units... Fleshbane, Armourbane, Smash, 3++ and possible Eternal Warrior will be nice for my Castellan Crowe Can I donate 1 strike squad to my opponent for free? Because my paladin need +1T/+1S and my Liberian to want harness warp charge points on a 3+ We may face lv2 Khorne Daemon Prince, Daemonic Rowboat Girlyman, or some thing else on the table in future... So grim...dark... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMostGood Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Got a link for all the rules in Rise of the Primarch. You...you may not want to look. http://imgur.com/a/j4uay The only thing that we can hope for is that GK will get some kind of buff or codex this year to make up for this absurd "fluff" rules that they've come out with. To clarify, Demonic Adversaries is purely a "for fun" kind of thing. It specifically states that both people have to agree to it. As far as I can see, Demonic Adversaries is purely a buff to your opponent. As if to say that GK are somehow "too strong". I don't know the F that is supposed to mean unless they plan to buff the pants off of Grey Knights. There's a bunch of Demonic stuff going on and the Rise of the Primarch has a bunch of Chaos involvement and warp storms all over the place. The Grey Knights are going to be very very busy so having a codex or book dedicated to Grey Knights would fit the narrative that GW is pushing for. I feel like maybe I am too much of an optimist, but I think the Grey Knights will see a codex drop soon. Here is a synopsis of the story too if you want to read it. Spoilers ahead!https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720192.page#9242346 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Got a link for all the rules in Rise of the Primarch. You...you may not want to look. http://imgur.com/a/j4uay The only thing that we can hope for is that GK will get some kind of buff or codex this year to make up for this absurd "fluff" rules that they've come out with. To clarify, Demonic Adversaries is purely a "for fun" kind of thing. It specifically states that both people have to agree to it. As far as I can see, Demonic Adversaries is purely a buff to your opponent. As if to say that GK are somehow "too strong". I don't know the F that is supposed to mean unless they plan to buff the pants off of Grey Knights. There's a bunch of Demonic stuff going on and the Rise of the Primarch has a bunch of Chaos involvement and warp storms all over the place. The Grey Knights are going to be very very busy so having a codex or book dedicated to Grey Knights would fit the narrative that GW is pushing for. I feel like maybe I am too much of an optimist, but I think the Grey Knights will see a codex drop soon. Here is a synopsis of the story too if you want to read it. Spoilers ahead! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720192.page#9242346 Thought of the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 That bulwark. Hahaha. Never going to be used. By anyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamtro Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 If Voldus came with FNP and EW stock he would be worth taking... as he is now... nope! Will probably take the model though haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollbeard Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Ok... well color me disappointed lol. I guess I've only got me to blame, should have known, I mean this is GW lol. Is it just me? Or is Voldus the only one who does nothing really? Aside from buffing our enemies... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Ok... well color me disappointed lol. I guess I've only got me to blame, should have known, I mean this is GW lol. Is it just me? Or is Voldus the only one who does nothing really? Aside from buffing our enemies...You're not the only one.. I promise. This is the kick in the teeth after the slap face that was the Daemonhunter Strikeforce formation in C:IA... sigh. My one curiosity however is where can I find this so called special Hammer that "acts as a conduit for Psyker powers"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 ... My one curiosity however is where can I find this so called special Hammer that "acts as a conduit for Psyker powers"... The hammer is included on Voldus's profile. Basically a non-unwieldy Daemonhammer. The whole "conduit for psychic powers" thing appears to be an example of the fluff totally and completely overstating its actual in-game abilities. If that ain't the Grey Knights in a nutshell, I don't know what is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 So we know for sure, the Bulwark requires at least 1 Libby, 10 terminators and 6 paladins. I will say that +1 to the DtW test also goes for denying the opponent's psychic buffs...because GW you owe us. Lol As for Voldus's Daemonhammer, my head-cannon is telling me that Voldus' ML3 plus the relic-crafted hammer combine to allow it strike at Initiative as per description, "It's so empowered, it streaks through the air as though it weighs nothing at all." I was actually, temporarily satisfied by the in-game logic I came up with to match the description...but the then reading, "As though it weighs nothing at all" again, My head-canon betrayed me whispering, "weigh nothing at all is far better than a weapon that is just well balanced/weighted so...wouldn't it make more sense for the hammer to give +1 Initiative instead?"...and then I was sad again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4678920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Interesting tidbit, aside from all the crushing disappointment... In the Bulwark formation, it mentions that the Librarian has to have Terminator armour. This implies that in the future, GK Librarians might be able to be fielded in power armour. Could be a good option, given that forced TDA means our Librarians can't ride in any non-Raider or Raven transport, and further forces our Troops to be Terminators (to function as an effective bodyguard and delivery system). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Interesting tidbit, aside from all the crushing disappointment... In the Bulwark formation, it mentions that the Librarian has to have Terminator armour. This implies that in the future, GK Librarians might be able to be fielded in power armour. Could be a good option, given that forced TDA means our Librarians can't ride in any non-Raider or Raven transport, and further forces our Troops to be Terminators (to function as an effective bodyguard and delivery system). I just think it was a mistake mentioning terminator armour. Because clearly whomever wrote the rules don't play GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 ^ I caught the TDA restriction RD. But let's be rational here. It might point to us being rolled into Codex: Space Marines in 8th! :P Myunch, the Daemonhunter Strikeforce is the best thing to ever happen to us! Embrace 35 point NDK taxes! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 ^ I caught the TDA restriction RD. But let's be rational here. It might point to us being rolled into Codex: Space Marines in 8th! :P Myunch, the Daemonhunter Strikeforce is the best thing to ever happen to us! Embrace 35 point NDK taxes! ;) I need to! I just like having options... why is that so difficult with this army?!? Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 That bulwark. Hahaha. Never going to be used. By anyone. If the Bulwark Formation rule does exactly what it says it does then I will use it club games against psyker heavy armies. If it gets a FAQ to nerf it down to what everybody else gets in DtW then maybe I will not bother. It does what GK do - wreck daemons. If you want TAC marines then GK are not the marines you are looking for and have not been since the end of 5th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 If Voldus came with FNP and EW stock he would be worth taking... as he is now... nope! Will probably take the model though haha If Voldus as your WL allowed +1 on DtW even on opponent's blessings (which is probably not possible in this edition as from faq, without explicit permission), and his Daemonhammer gave +1 on initiative (instead of just being non-unwieldy), I'd say he was worth those 240 points in a way that was uniquely awesome AND competitively useful! But like you, still intending to get the model. Might even house-rule Voldus with the special rules above when playing against my brother, since we do the same with his special characters if it fits the fluff of the character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4679973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Nothing changes the 6+ of a debt to blessings. Not even the bulwark. It's a crappy formation no one will ever use. Unless you're trying to lose. But there's much more effective ways than that. Edit. Why shouldnt gk be as tac as any other army? You reply with lol daemons ill kindly point you back to the daemonhunter codex. With all the fluff reasons you could ever want as to why the gk would fight every other army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4680067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Warhammer TV: Grandmaster Voldus Video Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4680137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiasco Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 To quote myself from their Facebook comment section: "How did he keep a straight face while praising this models' absolute garbage, pathetic rule set? It's incredible that he managed to pull that off! This model is worthless. The only benefit he brings to the table that you can't get for FAR less points is the at initiative hammer. Have any of them even glances at grey knights since 5th edition? They've been punished enough for what Ward did. Please stop piling on the crap after layer of crap. Let's not even get started on the worthless formation or the 'fluffy' rules that buff a grey knight's opponent. Absolute trash." Did I lay it on a bit too strong? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4680168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 To quote myself from their Facebook comment section: "How did he keep a straight face while praising this models' absolute garbage, pathetic rule set? It's incredible that he managed to pull that off! This model is worthless. The only benefit he brings to the table that you can't get for FAR less points is the at initiative hammer. Have any of them even glances at grey knights since 5th edition? They've been punished enough for what Ward did. Please stop piling on the crap after layer of crap. Let's not even get started on the worthless formation or the 'fluffy' rules that buff a grey knight's opponent. Absolute trash." Did I lay it on a bit too strong? Spot on! Couldn't have said it better myself. =D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330571-guilliman-and-grand-master-voldus/page/8/#findComment-4680185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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