Guilliman and Grand Master Voldus

[Captain Coolpants]

#letwarddoOurCodexRULESagain

[hmk17]

#letwarddoOurCodexRULESagain

 

#Butnotourfluff

[Sothalor]

Ehh, considering the balls-to-the-wall stupidity that the design studio seems to be so fond of these days, I'm beginning to think Ward fluff wouldn't be so bad anymore.

 

I mean... these guys just had the Red Corsairs capture Guilliman plus multiple detachments of Ultramarines, Black Templars, Grey Knights, an Inquisitor, and a Living Saint - and then kindly stick them in jail cells without even stripping their armor.

[thraxdown]

*sigh* It's amazing how quickly I went from "Sweet, new Grey Knight!  Gonna put some money aside for that!" to "maybe I should sell all of my models and find a new hobby"

[Zamtro]

I've actually decided that rather than bin my old 3rd edition dark eldar army, I'll put in the effort of stripping and paint in a vain hope my knights may be more fun in future lol.

[Myunch]

*sigh* It's amazing how quickly I went from "Sweet, new Grey Knight! Gonna put some money aside for that!" to "maybe I should sell all of my models and find a new hobby"

Shared feelings.

 

A thought occurred to me though. Isn't it funny how they toted Voldus as the greatest Psyker of the GK, yet his only distinguishing characteristic is a CC Hammer swinging at I5? Lol because lore X-D

[Reclusiarch Darius]

GW don't play their own game and continue to not care about what either the community think or what is obvious from the shift to 30k. 

 

For a real insight into just how head-in-the-sand they are, check out the new Custodian box set. You actually get less useful models than the Burning of Prospero (Rhino for Sisters, generic LR for the Custodians, and the BaC Contemptor nobody likes because mono-pose). And they think that will sell or get new people into Talons of the Emperor? 

[Prot]

I really was hoping for more myself. I realize that GW definitely view GK as a very , very specialized force. As a few of you like to point out on a weekly basis, things really haven't got much better in recent times.

 

But some of you live off of this. I've watched the same people bitch and moan for a very long time. Maybe it's time to put up or shut on those threats? Maybe if you can't add any value to this forum and all you can post is negativity, it's time for you to move on.

 

Some of you threaten to leave the army, quit the hobby, or worse, you thrive on the negativity, and you love to bring others down.

 

Be honest with yourself.... do you fit that criteria? If so, consider following up on your threat; quit the Grey Knights. Quit 40k. Give yourself the relief of not having to face another day as a Grey Knight player.

[casb1965]

I really was hoping for more myself. I realize that GW definitely view GK as a very , very specialized force. As a few of you like to point out on a weekly basis, things really haven't got much better in recent times.

 

But some of you live off of this. I've watched the same people bitch and moan for a very long time. Maybe it's time to put up or shut on those threats? Maybe if you can't add any value to this forum and all you can post is negativity, it's time for you to move on.

 

Some of you threaten to leave the army, quit the hobby, or worse, you thrive on the negativity, and you love to bring others down.

 

Be honest with yourself.... do you fit that criteria? If so, consider following up on your threat; quit the Grey Knights. Quit 40k. Give yourself the relief of not having to face another day as a Grey Knight player.

 

To be honest I'll continue to play GK but I will intersperse playing them with playing Inquisitors and the Castellans of the Imperium formation

[Gentlemanloser]

Prot, that post is just as negative as the posts you are talking about.

 

It's not the players fault the GK are in the state they are.

 

And if all we have is the ability to vent our frustration, why make that a negative?

 

It can be very cathartic.

[Myunch]

I really was hoping for more myself. I realize that GW definitely view GK as a very , very specialized force. As a few of you like to point out on a weekly basis, things really haven't got much better in recent times.

 

But some of you live off of this. I've watched the same people bitch and moan for a very long time. Maybe it's time to put up or shut on those threats? Maybe if you can't add any value to this forum and all you can post is negativity, it's time for you to move on.

 

Some of you threaten to leave the army, quit the hobby, or worse, you thrive on the negativity, and you love to bring others down.

 

Be honest with yourself.... do you fit that criteria? If so, consider following up on your threat; quit the Grey Knights. Quit 40k. Give yourself the relief of not having to face another day as a Grey Knight player.

Wise words. I know I've been guilty of the negativity myself, but you're right... GW views the Grey Knights only as a specialized force to be added into another army as allies. It's a tough pill to swallow as I'm sure I'm not the only one who loves the idea of fielding a stand alone GK force.

 

Acceptance is the first step. Sadly, it seems going forward, GK will have to be "part" of my army.

 

Thank you though Prot, I definitely needed to see words like that, cuz it's pointless to just complain as a lot of us have been. Time to get back to the grind and finding ways to win! =D

[Gentlemanloser]

Its also very difficult to be positive about something. When there's nothing to be positive about.

 

Let's be realistic. What in the last GK releases had there been for GK players to be happy about?

 

The Daemonhunter Strikeforce that has caused such a split in regards to its use?

 

The topic that can't be discussed here?

 

I think a lot of GK players were hopeful. And as yet again that hope has been, squashed, by GW. It's only natural there will be disapointment.

 

Why is that a bad thing?

 

We will talk about it, and get over it.

 

Let's all hope and be positive about 8th next.

[Myunch]

Its also very difficult to be positive about something. When there's nothing to be positive about.

 

Let's be realistic. What in the last GK releases had there been for GK players to be happy about?

 

The Daemonhunter Strikeforce that has caused such a split in regards to its use?

 

The topic that can't be discussed here?

 

I think a lot of GK players were hopeful. And as yet again that hope has been, squashed, by GW. It's only natural there will be disapointment.

 

Why is that a bad thing?

 

We will talk about it, and get over it.

 

Let's all hope and be positive about 8th next.

I guess the good news here comes in the skill we acquire playing GK as a stand alone force. Because let's say we use some of the top tier armies... would I be far off from saying it wouldn't require as much tactical precision to claim victory?

 

GML, yes I agree, I hope that 8th brings something refreshing for us all. Like you say, it is difficult to remain positive with what we have/haven't received. Maybe 8th will be that light in the darkness that finally shines through, who knows?

 

Either way, the one thing I am happy about with this Triumvirate release is the model itself. He does appeal to me aesthetically, regardless of his previously overhyped rules. =D

[Gentlemanloser]

I know I'm the only guy that doesn't like voldus model, but isn't it tellinng that is so, generic, that there are suggestions to just user him as a stock gk libby?

 

You won't get that with RG, Cypher, Celestine or the others.

[thraxdown]

I really was hoping for more myself. I realize that GW definitely view GK as a very , very specialized force. As a few of you like to point out on a weekly basis, things really haven't got much better in recent times.

 

But some of you live off of this. I've watched the same people bitch and moan for a very long time. Maybe it's time to put up or shut on those threats? Maybe if you can't add any value to this forum and all you can post is negativity, it's time for you to move on.

 

Some of you threaten to leave the army, quit the hobby, or worse, you thrive on the negativity, and you love to bring others down.

 

Be honest with yourself.... do you fit that criteria? If so, consider following up on your threat; quit the Grey Knights. Quit 40k. Give yourself the relief of not having to face another day as a Grey Knight player.

 

I wasn't quoted but as this seems to be directed at me I feel the need to respond.  It's difficult keeping a passion for the game when there's such an imbalance in power.  It's more depressing than it is anything else because I've enjoyed the hobby.  But the game is not enjoyable when one side has a clear rules advantage.  And when the game becomes less enjoyable for me, the painting and the lore aspect become less enjoyable as well.  I don't give these observations to bring negativity, or to bitch and moan (although bitching can be cathartic).  But when the rules or models or whatever negatively affects my enjoyment of the game, my observations will tend to be more negative.  And vice versa.  Regardless, I thought this was a place where we share and discuss our thoughts and feelings on Grey Knights and their place in the hobby.  If you feel my contributions don't add value to this board and my opinions make me unwelcome then I'll find another place to discuss the hobby.  No hard feelings.

[Trevak Dal]

From personal experience, complaining can become an echo chamber that can make stuff even worse than it is base.

 

I like my Grey Knights, they are the Emperor's last gift to Humanity, and they go to the dark places where no one else can.

 

Through great sacrifice, they send the Emperor's fallen sons back to the Hell from where they come.

 

Yeah I eat :cuss to grav, and plasma. I don't really care, Alaric and Hyperion bring the fight to the Emperor's foes and I have fun with that aspect, as it's my (currently) only loyalist army and it's fun to be on Humanity's side for once.

[Beacham]

Prot is right.  I'm brand new to the hobby and chose Grey Knights, but when I made an account here to discuss Grey Knights stuff with Grey Knights people, the only thing people seem to want to discuss is how much Grey Knights suck.

 

Sure, there's an imbalance in the rules at the moment but that doesn't make the army unplayable.  We're just playing on hard mode compared to other people.

 

Look on the bright side.  At least we're not playing Orks.

[Prot]

Prot, that post is just as negative as the posts you are talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not negative at all. It's a request to stop complaining if that's all you contribute here. 

 

 

 

And if all we have is the ability to vent our frustration, why make that a negative?

 

If all you have is the ability to vent frustration, you've answered your own question.

 

Do a battle report.

 

Take some pictures of models you've painted.

 

Talk about a great moment you had in a game.

 

If all you have left is negativity.... that's a pretty poor reason to come to any forum.

 

Its also very difficult to be positive about something. When there's nothing to be positive about.

 

Let's be realistic. What in the last GK releases had there been for GK players to be happy about?

 

The Daemonhunter Strikeforce that has caused such a split in regards to its use?

 

The topic that can't be discussed here?

 

I think a lot of GK players were hopeful. And as yet again that hope has been, squashed, by GW. It's only natural there will be disapointment.

 

Why is that a bad thing?

 

We will talk about it, and get over it.

 

 

Out of all the forums I moderate, this is the most negative.

 

To be clear, what I'm saying here is I'm not going to let the Grey Knights rules/figure/sculpt/formation, etc become a 25 page moan fest. 

 

There's a massive difference between citing something you don't like about a codex or rule, and moaning about it for page after page. 

 

 

I really was hoping for more myself. I realize that GW definitely view GK as a very , very specialized force. As a few of you like to point out on a weekly basis, things really haven't got much better in recent times.

 

But some of you live off of this. I've watched the same people bitch and moan for a very long time. Maybe it's time to put up or shut on those threats? Maybe if you can't add any value to this forum and all you can post is negativity, it's time for you to move on.

 

Some of you threaten to leave the army, quit the hobby, or worse, you thrive on the negativity, and you love to bring others down.

 

Be honest with yourself.... do you fit that criteria? If so, consider following up on your threat; quit the Grey Knights. Quit 40k. Give yourself the relief of not having to face another day as a Grey Knight player.

 

I wasn't quoted but as this seems to be directed at me I feel the need to respond.  It's difficult keeping a passion for the game when there's such an imbalance in power.  It's more depressing than it is anything else because I've enjoyed the hobby.  But the game is not enjoyable when one side has a clear rules advantage.  And when the game becomes less enjoyable for me, the painting and the lore aspect become less enjoyable as well.  I don't give these observations to bring negativity, or to bitch and moan (although bitching can be cathartic).  But when the rules or models or whatever negatively affects my enjoyment of the game, my observations will tend to be more negative.  And vice versa.  Regardless, I thought this was a place where we share and discuss our thoughts and feelings on Grey Knights and their place in the hobby.  If you feel my contributions don't add value to this board and my opinions make me unwelcome then I'll find another place to discuss the hobby.  No hard feelings.

 

 

Firstly, my post isn't aimed at anyone. Truly it isn't.

 

But if you feel no passion. If you feel an imbalance of power in the game, if you feel 'depressed'.... just don't bring it here day after day. That's not what this forum is for.

 

In the long run I've watched new players get chased out of here pretty often.

 

If you guys had any idea how many personal messages I get about army reviews tactics, and other members here, I think it would surprise (some of) you.

 

When we have a new(er) player come in here they often leave from the negativity. This isn't speculation it's a fact and I could pull numerous examples out of my inbox.

 

There's a big difference between saying something like...

 

"Paladins are difficult to use. They aren't going to win you a tournament, but here's how you do it, and this is what you can expect...."

 

And

 

"Paladins are horrible. Welcome to your Grav overlords. GW needs to fix this yesterday. If you take them, you're doing it wrong..."

 

This area has been too negative too long. It's got to the point where I don't even share my batreps, I don't show you guys what I paint anymore. I don't update my Grey Knight thread. I ask people who send the PM's to please post in this forum instead but most just leave, and stop posting here entirely. 

 

I think it's just enough. 

 

Challenge yourself to post about a hobby effort you are working on. Something you put together, something you painted.... a new allied detachment you're working on. A game you played, a book you read.... bring some balance back in here rather than just a solid wall of why Grey Knights suck.

 

Prot is right.  I'm brand new to the hobby and chose Grey Knights, but when I made an account here to discuss Grey Knights stuff with Grey Knights people, the only thing people seem to want to discuss is how much Grey Knights suck.

 

Sure, there's an imbalance in the rules at the moment but that doesn't make the army unplayable.  We're just playing on hard mode compared to other people.

 

Look on the bright side.  At least we're not playing Orks.

 

^ This is the perfect example. 

 

New member, 2 posts. And he's reviewed enough of the 'content' in this area to be cautious about posting, and notes the tone in here isn't exactly a friendly, inviting one.

 

Now please try to go about your GK business. This isn't a debatable issue. Just please... please try to curb the negativity. 

[thraxdown]

The least friendly, inviting post I've read here in a long time is your rant about if someone muses quitting the hobby then they should do it already.

 

The reason the thread about Grandmaster Voldus has remained negative is because his rules are poor and we've been let down again.  I imagine if he had rules that could make a list competitive you would see a lot more optimism in this thread and enthusiasm for batreps, painting and tactics.  As it is, the rules suck.  It's a shame  that is the case, but of course are gonna be negative.  Are we to not commiserate with our fellow grey knight players here?

[skarn]

This whole situation makes me laugh. I played in a small 3 game 1500pt tournament last week. I played eldar twice and kdk. I went 1-1 against eldar and stomped the kdk. We aren't the greatest at the moment, but we are solidly mid pack. I had a unit of termies with draigo and inq and a priest get charged by a daemon prince, a maulerfiend, 3 bikes and 10 dogs and took 2 wounds before they wiped out their opponents.

 

Go back 10 years and all gk lists are a GM with gkt and 2 x 5 pa knights in land raiders. All you could do is kite the enemy and hope for the best.

 

We've been in much more difficult spots before. We'll be fine.

[Beacham]

Skarn has the right idea. I'm new to the game, so admittedly I have less experience than the rest of you, but I've found that Grey Knights are typically pretty fun to play. In my area at least I'm the only guy that I've run into so far playing them, so people's lists aren't typically geared towards playing against me. Sure, I still get stomped sometimes. I played some Necrons who annihilated me (if I ever hear "let me roll for reanimation protocol" ever again, I swear I'll go postal) but they're still fun games. The look on someone's face when you pull out 4 Dreadknights is always priceless.

[duz_]

For those who are offended by Prots post then I think you should re-read it. Youre clearly missing the point.

 

For those who can't differentiate between continual negativity and the occasional complaint. You should visit the guard forum. They're in not too dissimilar position to GK in terms competitiveness. And no they've never really been top tier so there's no lusting for that one Ward codex.

However they know how to balance expressing their frustrations at a behind the curve codex and then the rest of the hobby. Which is painting, taking pride in your army and just having fun playing games with them.

 

Ill be honest I'm on B&C multiple times a day. However I'm lucky if I'm in the GK area more than a couple of times a week. Because I know nearly every thread will deteriorate to the same ol moaning and longing for 5th ed. Usually perpetrated by the same people. Although the saddest part is seeing others that were optimistic no longer visit here or fall into the same trap as the others.

 

As for the GM after reading his rules. Yes I think GW missed an opportunity to give us a stand out character. However its clear that this model isn't for GKs. He actually brings a lot to my Guard or SM armies. Especially if you add on an allied NSF or regular allied detachment to those armies.

[Beacham]

Well said duz_

 

Voldus was a bit disappointing at first. (my Dark Angel friend who has dragged me kicking and screaming into the hobby was adamant he would be ML4), he's still replacing one of the librarians in my list, with the added benefit of his non unwieldy hammer and being able to roll on something other than Sanctic without it starting an argument about rules.

 

I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt until we can really see him in action.

 

That being said, has anyone had a chance to have a game with him yet? I bought one from someone in a buy swap and sell group who needed to split his triumvirate so I won't get mine until later this week and he won't be painted until the other side of the weekend. If I'm one of the first I'll post about how I find him.

[SyNidus]

I too am disappointed by Voldus and the missed opportunity he represents...But, i do see potential mainly as a replacement for my second librarian.

[jeffersonian000]

I would like to say that I have always been the champion of the Grey Knights, always being positive in my support of the game, the faction, its players and the posters hear on BnC. Exceot for that time I lost my $#!+ over the Bloodtive, that was pretty bad.

 

But that said, Voldus does have his place in game where the new SM powers migyt be useful, or in very big games where he can add to the function of your army. But yeah, he's not a star.

 

SJ