Marshal_Roujakis Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 shots at S5 in 6"... which doesn't really do much considering the Str vs Toughness table... or 1 Shot and 2 Melee... which is handy if you have Grim or Helbrecht nearby... or 1 Shot at 24" and 2 Shots at 12" which is useful if you're running a Bolter Crusader Squad... yeah Neophytes have their uses... but I'll still keep the 1:1 ratio of Neophytes and Initiates... that's the way it's meant to be... hard to imagine a knight with multiple squires for me... There's a lot of upgrades with the Characters, but I feel that the Troops and the Elites without Character support would be left in the dust as well... Crusader Squads for example would need a character backing them up in melee, even just an Apothecary, mainly because of the lack of specialized damage they could do... Power Weapons now only do minimal number of attacks as opposed to Chainswords that can do multiple, specialized Pistols trump Power Weapons even more in melee as you can supercharge them bumping up their damage to 2 and their Str to 8... And they mentioned that Death Stars would now be gone... but here we are seeing a fleet of Super Star Destroyers instead... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I need to make a counts-as Grimaldus until they release a new mini for him. Hmmmmm I'm thinking MK III armor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I need to make a counts-as Grimaldus until they release a new mini for him. Hmmmmm I'm thinking MK III armor... The Grimaldus mini looks ace though. You don't like it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well he's impossible to find in metal without spending a fortune, and I hear bad things about his finecast version. Not to mention, my local stores don't carry him in finecast I would have to order him online. I would need to see him first before I bought him to make sure there aren't any bubbles or bad casting. My hope is that they'll release a new model for him in plastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Do we know if IC buffs work when embarked on a transport? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Looking at this it seems that a mix of Neophytes might be about the best setup. Since we can choose to shoot the bolters at something other then the rest of the group they're like built in firesupport and if you have a banner near them they get a chance at another shot with the gun when they die. Now we already know Neophytes are just there to take one for the team and a handful usually do nothing for me as they die to overwatch or just running around tripping over bushes (okay not really? Maybe...) With a bolter they can actually do something every once in a while? Throw some Apothecaries in and those ablative wounds can even come back later in the game... Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Buffs dont work from transports unless the ability itself specify that it does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well he's impossible to find in metal without spending a fortune, and I hear bad things about his finecast version. Not to mention, my local stores don't carry him in finecast I would have to order him online. I would need to see him first before I bought him to make sure there aren't any bubbles or bad casting. My hope is that they'll release a new model for him in plastic. I'm still using this model to represent my Grimaldus... http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o622/Marshal_Roujakis/Warhammer%2040k%20Displays/DSC00546_zpsipofg3dv.jpg I have a head canon that my Crusade was close to Ultima and the Maelstrom... now that area is smack-dab on the other side of the Great Rift, which means no Primaris, heaps of enemies AND all our named characters can only be found on the other side... I guess my Grimaldus is going to see a lot more action for 8th ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So...thousands of black templars per crusade fleet...and "dozens" of crusades... Sounds like a minimum Chapter strength of.. 2000 x 24 = 48,000 black templars... Wow! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So...thousands of black templars per crusade fleet...and "dozens" of crusades... Sounds like a minimum Chapter strength of.. 2000 x 24 = 48,000 black templars... Wow! Throne on Terra... Truly we are Astartes Legion strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I wouldn't say we are that high :lol: but I'd say it's safe to say that we are 3k+. We did lose hundreds of marines at Armageddon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Doren Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So...thousands of black templars per crusade fleet...and "dozens" of crusades... Sounds like a minimum Chapter strength of.. 2000 x 24 = 48,000 black templars... Wow! Throne on Terra... Truly we are Astartes Legion strength. I think preheresy legions were pushing 10k each. I seriously doubt we have 10% of 48k but close. Because if we did. That would be the combined arms of the entire loyalist legions put together. O.o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So...thousands of black templars per crusade fleet...and "dozens" of crusades... Sounds like a minimum Chapter strength of.. 2000 x 24 = 48,000 black templars... Wow! As pointed out in the 8th edition rumor board thread: It says thousands of warriors per battle fleet. Not per crusade or crusade fleet. A battle fleet itself has "thousands of warriors" on it from which the resources to launch "dozens of crusades" are drawn from. From old lore a crusade could be anything from a single squad of marines to many hundreds or sometimes above a thousand. What this essentially means is that we're at bare minimum are looking at 2 x 2000 = 4000 Templar, but with considerable room for there being plenty more. But there's no basis to think we'd be close to 50k (or less, or more. we don't know) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I wouldn't say we are that high :lol: but I'd say it's safe to say that we are 3k+. We did lose hundreds of marines at ArmageddonAnd more saving Cawl and later ressurecting the Ultrasmurf.So anyone else kind of excited for the fact we can take Thunder Hammers on our Crusader Squad Sword Brethren? I mean Power Fists are nice, but Thunder Hammers do 3 damage standard instead of D3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So...thousands of black templars per crusade fleet...and "dozens" of crusades... Sounds like a minimum Chapter strength of.. 2000 x 24 = 48,000 black templars... Wow! Throne on Terra... Truly we are Astartes Legion strength. I think preheresy legions were pushing 10k each. I seriously doubt we have 10% of 48k but close. Because if we did. That would be the combined arms of the entire loyalist legions put together. O.o Approximate peak Legion strength before the Horus Heresy was typically between 75,000 and 150,000 Astartes, with the Ultramarines being an anomaly at 250,000. 48,000, although very high for a post-Heresy Chapter, doesn't seem too horribly unrealistic to me: - because the Black Templars have been crusading and recruiting across the galaxy for 10,000 years; - because they don't follow the arbitrary limits set in the Codex Astartes, or many of Guilliman's edicts, instead following the example set by Dorn; - because of their zealous belief in the divinity of Him-on-Terra, and the fact that the Emperor created the legions with massive numbers and it was Guilliman, not the Emperor that broke up the Legions, so a large force of Templars is rationalized by divine edict; - because their gene-seed tithe would likely be based on a 1,000 Astartes number, so any tithe in excess could be used to create more Space Marines rather than sent off to Mars; - because Astartes-level foes are rarer, so the casualty rates seen in the Heresy would likely not occur too often; - and because the Templars are so spread out that a catastrophic loss of Astartes is extremely unlikely. What would cripple or hinder another Chapter's strength would barely affect the Templars. Realistically, though, with this new information I'm going to assume that we hover around 10k plus-or-minus - that makes for 2-3 Battle Fleets of 2,500-4,000 each in addition to a handful of hundreds-strong Crusade fleets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Considering the size of some people,s Crusade collections it's likely safe to say that Templars are easilly more than 25k strong. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4765979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm glad I was right about the armaments of LRC coming built in rather than purchased, but then my being glad about being right is like being glad about blinking. Where was this confirmation? I'm trying to sift through the thread, but 53 pages is a bit... well, much, even for one with ZEAL to dig through in one evening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm glad I was right about the armaments of LRC coming built in rather than purchased, but then my being glad about being right is like being glad about blinking. Where was this confirmation? I'm trying to sift through the thread, but 53 pages is a bit... well, much, even for one with ZEAL to dig through in one evening. No sure where is came from, probably wishful thinking by other frater. The rules are incredibly clear to me on this, you have to buy the standard weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I'm glad I was right about the armaments of LRC coming built in rather than purchased, but then my being glad about being right is like being glad about blinking. Where was this confirmation? I'm trying to sift through the thread, but 53 pages is a bit... well, much, even for one with ZEAL to dig through in one evening.No sure where is came from, probably wishful thinking by other frater. The rules are incredibly clear to me on this, you have to buy the standard weapons. Yup, kinda hard to argue with add up the points of all your models and their weapons... Nothing in the rules I could see about any standandard loads being built into the costs. Which of course we assumed anyway since that would make some models stupidly undercosted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sshhhh. I'm right. Let's leave it at that. :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 So, I've been wondering, how does Mk3 look in black... . It had to be fate my girlfriend got me a chaplain for my birthday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbcow1 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 so......i had a glance at something today..... all 3 characters got rules, along with Crusader Squad having rules still too.....we AREN'T forgotten. Although we are listed AFTER Crimson Fists, not cool GW... hahah All i know is my zeal is hotter than ever, and so ready for the 17th! no chapter tactics, but the buffs state specifically to Black Templar units. I had a good look at the 3 characters, but didn't have time to read the full page of rules on crusader squads. Edit - lol, and just went back few pages and saw that someone already posted pictures of it all. well never mind, XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I love how the crusader squad is up to 10 neophytes regardless of if you turn an initiate into a sword bro... settled that arguement! Weird that you can have more neos than inis, but casualties can explain that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4766986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Is there an army list somewhere of allowed units for us? In the leaked pages I saw there was nothing stating we couldn't take Librarians. So there's gotta be a page saying what we do and don't have access too because I KNOW we don't take them. I'm just hoping Devs and Scouts are off limits again this time around so no weird Rowboat BT nonsense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4767000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 So, I've been wondering, how does Mk3 look in black... . It had to be fate my girlfriend got me a chaplain for my birthday. EVERYTHING looks great in black Here's a quick pic of a knight in (mostly) Mk III armor http://i.imgur.com/WWPGK3l.jpg?1 Is there an army list somewhere of allowed units for us? In the leaked pages I saw there was nothing stating we couldn't take Librarians. So there's gotta be a page saying what we do and don't have access too because I KNOW we don't take them. I'm just hoping Devs and Scouts are off limits again this time around so no weird Rowboat BT nonsense. It says it in the wargear page that Adeptus Astartes Psykers cannot be from the Black Templars Chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/53/#findComment-4767012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.