Apothecary Vaddon Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Outer Dark? Seems to be a recurring theme, was big with the Carcharodons...what's it supposed to mean? Just everything beyond the Astronomican? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Outer Dark? Seems to be a recurring theme, was big with the Carcharodons...what's it supposed to mean? Just everything beyond the Astronomican? Pretty much. Alan and I envisioned it being a major deal with the Carcharodons for some ideas we had going forward (and that we've seeded here and there in the past), but we also mused on the idea of other Chapters needing to take the burden, too. The Outer Dark is the void between worlds, as well as beyond the Emperor's Light, and even beyond the Galactic Rim. Olis, Felix Antipodes and Kelborn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 So there's more than enough space to play with. "Void between worlds" would be a good playground for some new chapters. Deep within the Imperium, there is nothing as it seems. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Is this going to be a single novel or a new series? Mentor Legion! Now there's a good trick, Like spinning. Roomsky and Reyner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Can ask how Barbarian are the Emperors spears, are they Space Wolf levels of pelts and beards or something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draakur Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 They will all have finely sculpted, foot tall, trident-shaped hair styles, growing out from a single topknot origin. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only outrageous fashion. SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4829980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Sounding very interesting indeed. Awesome way to grant exposure, of one sort or another, to a lot of minor Chapters at once, too. The "barbarian" description also has my curiosity peaked, too - I hadn't previously realised you were going that far in that direction, A D-B :) This is literally impossible, but if I died without trying I would be doing myself a disservice... A D-B, please: I will pay you very real cash money to make my Chapter a canon reality. What do we need to do to make this happen?? Going by past history Draakur, the going rate is to marry him. Good luck with meeting that price lol DarKnight and HeritorA 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4830190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draakur Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Sounding very interesting indeed. Awesome way to grant exposure, of one sort or another, to a lot of minor Chapters at once, too. The "barbarian" description also has my curiosity peaked, too - I hadn't previously realised you were going that far in that direction, A D-B :) This is literally impossible, but if I died without trying I would be doing myself a disservice... A D-B, please: I will pay you very real cash money to make my Chapter a canon reality. What do we need to do to make this happen?? Going by past history Draakur, the going rate is to marry him. Good luck with meeting that price lol I... I understand what must be done... I guess I'll go and have the talk with the Mrs... +edit+ I like how I seem to have just decided here that A D-B, nor his wife, has any say in this... :p Edited July 24, 2017 by Draakur Felix Antipodes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4830282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Sounding very interesting indeed. Awesome way to grant exposure, of one sort or another, to a lot of minor Chapters at once, too. The "barbarian" description also has my curiosity peaked, too - I hadn't previously realised you were going that far in that direction, A D-B This is literally impossible, but if I died without trying I would be doing myself a disservice... A D-B, please: I will pay you very real cash money to make my Chapter a canon reality. What do we need to do to make this happen?? Going by past history Draakur, the going rate is to marry him. Good luck with meeting that price lol I... I understand what must be done... I guess I'll go and have the talk with the Mrs... +edit+ I like how I seem to have just decided here that A D-B, nor his wife, has any say in this... So - if I understood you correctly the decisionmaking is done by all the A D-B family? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4838869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 When you got your own family, every decision is made by either your wife or your children + wife until everyone has gone to bed. In the night, we're in charge again. ^^ HeritorA, Reldn and Felix Antipodes 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4838902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 When you got your own family, every decision is made by either your wife or your children + wife until everyone has gone to bed. In the night, we're in charge again. ^^ LOL. But I think you are partly right here. Anyway we need Bowden opinion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4838963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathamanti Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) So, I think ADB mentioned somewhere, that this blurb is quite revealing. What have you all extrapolated from it about the chapter? Barbaric? Chaotic plight? What does it mean?! I'm certainly no detective... Smurf or Raven Chapter tactics? Or wolves... Edited August 1, 2017 by Rathamanti Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4840283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I think it says a lot about how my mind works that when I see that mentor guys name, the Falco song starts going in my head. This being the Imperium, Der Kommissar might just show up too. Seems that no matter how old 40k gets, it always finds its way back to the 80s. If any of you are wondering who Falco is just search for him on the YouTube. Felix Antipodes, mr.crusader and Kelborn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4840866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Really looking forward to that inter chapter exchange Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4842478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I think it says a lot about how my mind works that when I see that mentor guys name, the Falco song starts going in my head. This being the Imperium, Der Kommissar might just show up too. Seems that no matter how old 40k gets, it always finds its way back to the 80s. If any of you are wondering who Falco is just search for him on the YouTube. Some of us are too old, so we know who Falco is, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4842705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I think it says a lot about how my mind works that when I see that mentor guys name, the Falco song starts going in my head. This being the Imperium, Der Kommissar might just show up too. Seems that no matter how old 40k gets, it always finds its way back to the 80s. If any of you are wondering who Falco is just search for him on the YouTube. Some of us are too old, so we know who Falco is, lol :yes: Rock me Amadeus... Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4842816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great, now I'm feeling old again...thx da di del dum oh oh oh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4842839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great, now I'm feeling old again...thx da di del dum oh oh oh... Show me what passes for fury among your misbegotten kind! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4842864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathamanti Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) ADB on Facebook: "I spent ages writing these yesterday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geas "Every warrior in the Chapter gets one. I sure won't regret that later." Sounds interesting! What does it mean, though? I must admit, I've never heard about this thing before. Is there some bizarre curse on every brother in the Spears, or are they all Bretonnian questing knights with some personalised rule or mission? Edited August 9, 2017 by Rathamanti Sandlemad and HeritorA 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Geasa in Irish myth were specific mystical restrictions placed on heroes: the more you had, the more heroic you were. Well, more or less. A lot tales revolve around the consequences of breaking ones geasa. Kelborn, Jarl Kjaran Coldheart, HeritorA and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 ADB on Facebook: "I spent ages writing these yesterday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geas "Every warrior in the Chapter gets one. I sure won't regret that later." Sounds interesting! What does it mean, though? I must admit, I've never heard about this thing before. Is there some bizarre curse on every brother in the Spears, or are they all Bretonnian questing knights with some personalised rule or mission? You now have my attention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 A geas is a bit like a curse/taboo/oath/prophecy, all wrapped up under one word and considered the same kinda thing by medieval Irish writers. Tricky thing about them though is that they're like Chekov's gun; if you hear it mentioned at the start of an epic or a mythological story that a certain warrior has a geas upon him, say that he must never straighten his speartip with his teeth, you absolutely know that it's going to be a plot point later on (and the warrior is obviously going to go mad and blind when he straightens his speartip). But because they were an important part of medieval Irish beliefs, all the characters don't take it for granted that it's going to 'come true', because it's just part of their worldview. Inevitably if you're reading a heroic story with a geas, you're reading the stories where the geas is a big factor. Bit like prophecy in George R.R. Martin's books, where everyone talks about how you shouldn't trust it and it's frequently nonsense buuuut prophecies unfailingly do come true 'cos it's part of the plot. The only geas I can think of that isn't tied specifically to the life and death of a particular hero is one about how you must not get in a chariot shortly after eating horse meat - so it's just a very general taboo - but otherwise a geas frequently signals a particular event or plot point later in the narrative. I'd imagine it makes it hard to write about in the naturalistic way (i.e. not an epic poem or very formal mythological style) that 40k books are typically written in. Cool as hell but keeping track of individual space marines' geasa is probably the least of the problems to deal with. SpAcEGhOsT095 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 Correct me if I've understood it the wrong way, but it reminds me a bit of the Jade Dragons oaths but in a reversed way. Instead of an actual / regular vow like: "I swear to hunt this guy down." it's broadly speaking more like "I'm obliged to hunt this guy down without using a boltgun."? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Geasa in Irish myth were specific mystical restrictions placed on heroes: the more you had, the more heroic you were. Well, more or less. A lot tales revolve around the consequences of breaking ones geasa. So the more geas covered you are, the more higher you are in the hierarchy of the Chapter? ADB on Facebook: "I spent ages writing these yesterday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geas "Every warrior in the Chapter gets one. I sure won't regret that later." Sounds interesting! What does it mean, though? I must admit, I've never heard about this thing before. Is there some bizarre curse on every brother in the Spears, or are they all Bretonnian questing knights with some personalised rule or mission? It would require a very througout editing job. For missing/new Geas not to appear/reapper where they are not. If every warrior has one - it's a can of worms to make a mistake. But due to him being a truly proffesional and talented author I think the issues would be small Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Pretty much, it's not something you choose for yourself but something which you're told, like a fortune, or is thrust upon you. Like 'you must never spend more than nine nights away from home' or 'you must never hunt a particular boar' or 'you must never listen to birdsong at a particular lake'. So 'you must not slay orks with your boltgun' or 'you must not fight this particular warboss on a world named for a saint'. The heroic thing comes from having multiple geasa. Shows you're able to walk this tight rope of multiple prohibitions/obligations, getting status or honour or even a kind of sanctity. It'll be interesting to see how it's implemented in the book. It's unique but feels like the kind of thing that could fit into a chapter's cult pretty well. Edited August 10, 2017 by Sandlemad Kelborn and 1ncarnadine 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331042-emperors-spears-covered-by-a-d-b/page/13/#findComment-4851518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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