Emperor's Spears covered by A D B

[bluntblade]

I guess I picked a good time to read The Winter King.

[Roomsky]

Man, that is a genuinely wicked cover. Marines posing isn't normally all that exciting, but you can feel the grit and action all over this one. I like it so much that I won't even mention how his right leg's proportions don't really make sense.

 

Oops.

[Marshal Rohr]

Gross, Primaris marines! How could ADB betray us like this!?

[cheywood]

I really hope BL isn’t going back to the ‘buy the LE now or wait till we feel like releasing the standard edition’ model of sales. Felt very anti-consumer to me. Super excited for the book whenever I get to read it.

[Kelborn]

Ooooooohhhhh yeeeeahhhh...

 

Me like it.

 

Would you kindly release this at the coming Warhammer Fest, please? ;)

[Enosh]

I really hope BL isn’t going back to the ‘buy the LE now or wait till we feel like releasing the standard edition’ model of sales. Felt very anti-consumer to me. Super excited for the book whenever I get to read it.

thex are, all novels with a LE are mentioned as having the proper edition released 6 months after

I guess it's to boost sales of LE due to impatient people, if you check a lot of the recent LE still aren't sold out

[cheywood]

 

 

I really hope BL isn’t going back to the ‘buy the LE now or wait till we feel like releasing the standard edition’ model of sales. Felt very anti-consumer to me. Super excited for the book whenever I get to read it.

thex are, all novels with a LE are mentioned as having the proper edition released 6 months after

I guess it's to boost sales of LE due to impatient people, if you check a lot of the recent LE still aren't sold out

Unless they put the ebook out with the LE I guess I’m gonna be waiting an extra six months for every book with a LE. Foolish decision in my mind, but I’m sure someone with access to sales numbers could justify it. Oh well not like six months is the end of the world.

[Robbienw]

The blurb doesn't say the whole chapter is primaris, it says it is Primaris Marines novel, so presumably the spear main characters and the mentor are Primaris not necessarily the chapter in its entirety.

[helterskelter]

The blurb doesn't say the whole chapter is primaris, it says it is Primaris Marines novel, so presumably the spear main characters and the mentor are Primaris not necessarily the chapter in its entirety.

I beg to differ

[Taliesin]

So.... that means that Limited Edition can't be that far off. Did they say when that is due?!

 

Will the Limited edition have interior art like the awesome limited edition of Talon of Horus?

 

These questions must be answered!

Edited June 16, 2018 by Taliesin

[A D-B]

Blurb says they're a primaris chapter, so I'm assuming all the old marines are dead?

 

Nah. They're totally still around. S'just a vague marketing blurb.

 

 

I guess I picked a good time to read The Winter King.

 

There is never a bad time to read The Winter King. One of my test readers said there was a similar tone to that series (score!) though most definitely not the same kind of events.

 

 

Gross, Primaris marines! How could ADB betray us like this!?

 

Joking aside, they're just like Space Marines. As the dust clears and the hyperbole fades, if you like Space Marines, you'll like Primaris Space Marines. Very little difference.

 

 

So.... that means that Limited Edition can't be that far off. Did they say when that is due?!

 

I finished the final draft today, so I wouldn't expect it this week or anything. Teehee!

[Cotillion]

I finished the final draft today, so I wouldn't expect it this week or anything. Teehee!

We got another telling off today from Hannah for taking up all your time on social media and limiting output!

Edited June 16, 2018 by Cotillion

[Cleanse And Purify]

But if theyre just like regular marines, why introduce them to the setting? Grumble grumble mutter grumble.

 

Cant wait to read this one, still :D

[Taliesin]

But if theyre just like regular marines, why introduce them to the setting? Grumble grumble mutter grumble.

 

 

To boost sales. It's simply another variation of a Space Marine type, and that "newness" will lead to increased purchase.

 

I agree btw that this tactic of releasing limited edition a full 6 months ahead of regular hardcover sucks big time and it is really deloprable, but I didn't want to derail the thread by commenting on it, as now was a time for joy at what looks to be a great novel.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Taliesin

[Cleanse And Purify]

Oh I know. I just think they look rather lame, and their background is off putting. They cheapen regular marines, and the whole "they are incorruptible and have no gene flaws" is like...ugh. Edited June 16, 2018 by Cleanse And Purify

[Marshal Loss]

Awesome cover. I'd rather not wait 6 months before I can read it (thanks BL), so hopefully my pennies are in order for the limited edition.

[Petitioner's City]

Oh I know. I just think they look rather lame, and their background is off putting. They cheapen regular marines, and the whole "they are incorruptible and have no gene flaws" is like...ugh.

Just take that as pr or propaganda in whatever source you read it; and you can have corrupt primaris - they are your stories as much as they are a studio textbook's. And as soon as there is story reason or a model reason, there will be corrupt primaris from the studio also.

[Marshal Rohr]

Awesome cover. I'd rather not wait 6 months before I can read it (thanks BL), so hopefully my pennies are in order for the limited edition.

Amen

[A D-B]

 

Oh I know. I just think they look rather lame, and their background is off putting. They cheapen regular marines, and the whole "they are incorruptible and have no gene flaws" is like...ugh.

Just take that as pr or propaganda in whatever source you read it; and you can have corrupt primaris - they are your stories as much as they are a studio textbook's. And as soon as there is story reason or a model reason, there will be corrupt primaris from the studio also.

 

I've explained it before, the 'newness' of Primaris Marines in the fandom not really matching up to how long we've dealt with them behind the scenes or - much more importantly - their presence in the setting. I get what a lot of fans find interesting and/or notable and/or scary about the Primaris, but it's not stuff that I'm all that interested in exploring (I'm sure other authors have done it by now, in countless books) and it's not something that's as big in the setting as it is to the fandom.

 

I have a rough guide, which I hope is useful in explaining this:

 

What People Think Primaris Marines Are: Metaplot-based invaders from the Horus Heresy era and Guilliman Guilliman Guilliman and everything about them is related to Cawl's designs and metaplot, metaplot, metaplot, with gene-seed that is magically resistant to flaws or maybe isn't or whatever the metaplot does next.

 

What Primaris Marines Actually Are: Just Space Marines. They've been in the Imperium for over a 100 years by this point. Pretty much every Chapter can make them. So they do. Or they don't. They're no more or less exciting than any other Space Marine. Plenty of Chapters never even got the HH-era guys. They just make their own ones. They're just Space Marines.

Edited June 16, 2018 by A D-B

[Sete]

The 10000 dollar question is, did the Primaris squads learn how to use a frikkin Chainsword in those 100 years?

[Cleanse And Purify]

 

 

Oh I know. I just think they look rather lame, and their background is off putting. They cheapen regular marines, and the whole "they are incorruptible and have no gene flaws" is like...ugh.

Just take that as pr or propaganda in whatever source you read it; and you can have corrupt primaris - they are your stories as much as they are a studio textbook's. And as soon as there is story reason or a model reason, there will be corrupt primaris from the studio also.

 

I've explained it before, the 'newness' of Primaris Marines in the fandom not really matching up to how long we've dealt with them behind the scenes or - much more importantly - their presence in the setting. I get what a lot of fans find interesting and/or notable and/or scary about the Primaris, but it's not stuff that I'm all that interested in exploring (I'm sure other authors have done it by now, in countless books) and it's not something that's as big in the setting as it is to the fandom.

 

I have a rough guide, which I hope is useful in explaining this:

 

What People Think Primaris Marines Are: Metaplot-based invaders from the Horus Heresy era and Guilliman Guilliman Guilliman and everything about them is related to Cawl's designs and metaplot, metaplot, metaplot, with gene-seed that is magically resistant to flaws or maybe isn't or whatever the metaplot does next.

 

What Primaris Marines Actually Are: Just Space Marines. They've been in the Imperium for over a 100 years by this point. Pretty much every Chapter can make them. So they do. Or they don't. They're no more or less exciting than any other Space Marine. Plenty of Chapters never even got the HH-era guys. They just make their own ones. They're just Space Marines.

 

My issues have little to do with Cawl, or with Guilliman coming back. As I said, I think the models do not look cool: I prefer Space Marines as baroque, gothic knights/roman legionaries in space, or techno-barbarian reavers in space, and the Primaris look like something out of Halo (particularly the Reivers and the big footy-pajama jump pack ones...inceptors I think?). I mean I suppose the "they have no gene-flaws and are physically incorruptible" is all subject to change/in-universe info, etc. etc. But so far, it's the only look we've been given on them. And moreover, if they're just Space Marines, then why introduce them at all? I know, I know. Selling models. But they just seem...lame to me. Sorry. I know you see it differently, and I'm a huge fan of your work so I'm sure it will be cool and all when you write them, but honestly, the introduction of Primaris did a lot to put me off the setting as a whole. It may sound odd, or overblown (though I think its perfectly reasonable, obviously) but there it is.

 

Apologies for the slight derail. Buuuut, since you're here, are the Emperor's Spears still gonna have that whole Sub-Roman Britain/early medieval Irish feel to them? I dunno if that got scrapped somehow during the writing process (I hope not, obviously!)

[Plaguecaster]

I like the fact it’ll mostly be about Primaris marines some people moan they are not interesting as they are not fleshed out properly well what better way than A D-B himself to give them the same treatment as the Nightlords or even Abaddon who was mostly viewed as a joke by a the community before yet is portrayed so damn well in A D-B’s black legion novels. Yes GW may of been a bit lacking with their presentation of them but it is through BL novels that a chapter or faction can truly be given the identity it needs to be truly interesting just look at the Gaunts ghosts the codex blurbs just don’t do them the same justice as they are portrayed in the novels

 

Thank you A D-B for giving the Primaris marines the spotlight they deserve I cant wait to get my hands on your latest work and will gladly fork out whatever money is needed for the limited edition just to read it

Edited June 17, 2018 by Plaguecaster

[R_F_D]

Just to flag that the LE was described as an "epic epic" edition. No mention of cost but we were assured by the 3 Editors in the Coming Soon talk that every LE bought came with a copy of Aaron. That I think is a legally binding guarantee and probably also canon. Edited June 17, 2018 by R_F_D

[bluntblade]

 

I guess I picked a good time to read The Winter King.

 

 

There is never a bad time to read The Winter King. One of my test readers said there was a similar tone to that series (score!) though most definitely not the same kind of events.

I'm definitely inclined to agree with that first point. I was also thinking from early on that I could feel the similarities with the Black Legion series in particular (which you may well have flagged up, I downloaded it partly because I dimly recalled you recommending it).

[A D-B]

Just to flag that the LE was described as an "epic epic" edition. No mention of cost but we were assured by the 3 Editors in the Coming Soon talk that every LE bought came with a copy of Aaron. That I think is a legally binding guarantee and probably also canon.

 

Can confirm. Apologies in advance: I take up a lot of room and I categorically will not paint your armies for you.

 

 

 

 

I guess I picked a good time to read The Winter King.

 

There is never a bad time to read The Winter King. One of my test readers said there was a similar tone to that series (score!) though most definitely not the same kind of events.

I'm definitely inclined to agree with that first point. I was also thinking from early on that I could feel the similarities with the Black Legion series in particular (which you may well have flagged up, I downloaded it partly because I dimly recalled you recommending it).

 

Yeah, I tried hard with that one. Less with tone that time, obviously, but the nature of the tale being told. It had to have a certain weight and feel to it. There are a few truly excellent stories that do the same, with the same angle as The Winter King, and I wanted the Black Legion Series to run along with them. Bernard Cornwall does several, but Steven Pressfield is the other obvious reference. (I'd be lying if I said it was unique to them, natch. They just do it the best.)