DA 8th Edition Info

[Master Avoghai]

Intriguing that Plasma Talons are now Assault 2, lots of movement for RW :)

yup but it's not twin linked anymore... meaning no 4 shots at 9" ;)

 

However thanks to the rules of assaut weapon it seems they can advance (6" instead of d6) AND shoot with plasma talons which is nice too...

 

+++ edit+++

 

Also no more rad or stasis grenade on RWBK :(

Edited May 31, 2017 by Master Avoghai

[G8Keeper]

 

Intriguing that Plasma Talons are now Assault 2, lots of movement for RW

yup but it's not twin linked anymore... meaning no 4 shots at 9"

 

However thanks to the rules of assaut weapon it seems they can advance (6" instead of d6) AND shoot with plasma talons which is nice too...

 

+++ edit+++

 

Also no more rad or stasis grenade on RWBK

 

Yeah kind of expected a change or they'd have been a grossly OP unit.  Nice increase to the threat range though.

 

Edit:

 

Also sticking Sammael with them allows them to re-roll misses, happy days!

Edited May 31, 2017 by G8Keeper

[Chaplain Lucifer]

But Snipers could always target charactes, so nothing changed then? We only have to fear if suddenly the fields are full of snipers which was never a big deal in past editions. Just me doing some adjustments. Nevermind me if i am wrong on assuming. :)

[Chaplain Lucifer]

The only thing I can't get over is that suddenly my Sucessors lost Belial, Samael, Azrael and other named Characters. That is not encouraging for people that are doing Sucessors. Maybe GW is trying to avoid that the a guy with Blue Marines can use Characters from Red Marines and then change to white Marines charcaters as necessity dictates. So if you want Green Marine Characters you have to paint them green. It's really strange and makes sucessors less appealing.

[Master Avoghai]

The only thing I can't get over is that suddenly my Sucessors lost Belial, Samael, Azrael and other named Characters. That is not encouraging for people that are doing Sucessors. Maybe GW is trying to avoid that the a guy with Blue Marines can use Characters from Red Marines and then change to white Marines charcaters as necessity dictates. So if you want Green Marine Characters you have to paint them green. It's really strange and makes sucessors less appealing.

Well you're free to say that your model of Sammael or Belial are count as successors using DA key words as well as your successor use the DA keywords too

 

I don't really see the problem here :huh:

[marti350]

 

 

 

 

-The Darkshroud is worse now than it was, but that was expected. Hopefully they point it accordingly.

 

 

 

looks like the points went up, in other leaks we've seen one power level is usually about 20 points so they're probably about 140

Edited May 31, 2017 by marti350

[Chaplain Lucifer]

 

The only thing I can't get over is that suddenly my Sucessors lost Belial, Samael, Azrael and other named Characters. That is not encouraging for people that are doing Sucessors. Maybe GW is trying to avoid that the a guy with Blue Marines can use Characters from Red Marines and then change to white Marines charcaters as necessity dictates. So if you want Green Marine Characters you have to paint them green. It's really strange and makes sucessors less appealing.

Well you're free to say that your model of Sammael or Belial are count as successors using DA key words as well as your successor use the DA keywords too

 

I don't really see the problem here

 

Because before you used named characters as count as and there encouragement by GW to do so, even stating for example there could be a Corvex bike in the armoury of the sucessors, but right now they just say in Black in white that Azrael only leads DA and not any other Chapter.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Can anyone see the Nephilumps gun stats? How many shots now?

Also the rift cannon if you can cheers.

On my phone is teribad

[Master Avoghai]

 

 

The only thing I can't get over is that suddenly my Sucessors lost Belial, Samael, Azrael and other named Characters. That is not encouraging for people that are doing Sucessors. Maybe GW is trying to avoid that the a guy with Blue Marines can use Characters from Red Marines and then change to white Marines charcaters as necessity dictates. So if you want Green Marine Characters you have to paint them green. It's really strange and makes sucessors less appealing.

 

Well you're free to say that your model of Sammael or Belial are count as successors using DA key words as well as your successor use the DA keywords too

I don't really see the problem here :huh:

Because before you used named characters as count as and there encouragement by GW to do so, even stating for example there could be a Corvex bike in the armoury of the sucessors, but right now they just say in Black in white that Azrael only leads DA and not any other Chapter.

Sure but as you surely noticed you don't have <DA legion successors> Faction key words but a [Dark Angels] faction keywords, meaning even if you play consecrators your model will be considered as Dark Angels for the purpose of using special abilities granted by a character.

Hence it means that you model using the rules of Azrael will give bonus to consecrators as well...

 

 

@Stobz

 

TLHB Heavy 6 S5 PA-1 D1

TLLC Heavy 2 S9 PA-3 D3

Missiles Heavy 1 S7 PA-2 D2

 

Rift cannon is way to blurry ... The only think I can read is Range 18" Heavy D3 S10 PA-3 D3 but I can't read the special rules that seems to apply on a model wounded by a Rift cannon

[marti350]

Can anyone see the Nephilumps gun stats? How many shots now?

Also the rift cannon if you can cheers.

On my phone is teribad

Avenger Megabolter Heavy 10 S6 Ap -1 D1

Blacksword Missiles Heavy 1 S7 Ap -3 D2

 

Rift Cannon Heavy d3 S10 Ap -3 Damage 3 plus an additional D3 mortal wounds based on maybe rolling on a table we can't see the whole rules for.

 

Stasis bomb got way better. Hit unit and every model up to 10 rolls a d6. On a 4+ they take a mortal wound

[Chaplain Lucifer]

 

 

 

The only thing I can't get over is that suddenly my Sucessors lost Belial, Samael, Azrael and other named Characters. That is not encouraging for people that are doing Sucessors. Maybe GW is trying to avoid that the a guy with Blue Marines can use Characters from Red Marines and then change to white Marines charcaters as necessity dictates. So if you want Green Marine Characters you have to paint them green. It's really strange and makes sucessors less appealing.

Well you're free to say that your model of Sammael or Belial are count as successors using DA key words as well as your successor use the DA keywords too

I don't really see the problem here

Because before you used named characters as count as and there encouragement by GW to do so, even stating for example there could be a Corvex bike in the armoury of the sucessors, but right now they just say in Black in white that Azrael only leads DA and not any other Chapter.

Sure but as you surely noticed you don't have <DA legion successors> Faction key words but a [Dark Angels] faction keywords, meaning even if you play consecrators your model will be considered as Dark Angels for the purpose of using special abilities granted by a character.

Hence it means that you model using the rules of Azrael will give bonus to consecrators as well...

 

 

 

 

So I was reading too much ito it. :) Thanks for straightening it up for me. :tu:

[SnakeChisler]

Saw some stacking potential Interomancy has a -1 to hit power affects 1 unit and the DS has a -1 to hit units within 6 so a key opposition unit such as a Knight will be hitting on -2

 

DS is shooting only Aversion is all attacks

 

Sammael is back in style with some nice buffs for both models

 

The Planes look more survivable

and

The 2 HB speeders I've been using in 7th look to have a real sweet spot of cost/benefit

 

Grenade launcher looks like its lost its special ammo

 

Wow stasis bomb does mortal wounds (needs dropping on a large squad though for max effect) Avenger Mega Bolter Heavy 10!

 

Assault cannons look like they've lost rending though!  

[Master Avoghai]

Assault cannons look like they've lost rending though!

 

Nope it's still here just like the corvus hammer : a 6 to W inflicts 2 dammages instead of 1

[Robbienw]

Compnay veteran squads are limited to 5 man now then, as you have to use the company veterans entry (command suqad replcement) from the space marine bit.

[Stormxlr]

http://i.imgur.com/PrHsbWM.png

Edited May 31, 2017 by Stormxlr

[Conine]

Remember points values do not include wargear for units but do for characters. Int-Chaplin in TDA is 130 instead of 128 since the storm bolter costs 2 pts. DW actually went up in points now it is 224 for a plain squad of 5 vs 200 and the DV build is 245 vs 225 with the AC guy being almost 70 pts. AC and PC are the same cost but the Cyclone missile launcher is more than double. 

 

Also all the command squad guys are now elites.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Conine

[Knight Master Eladric]

God if that points thing is right. That's 50 points per DW knight (saw elsewhere the storm shield is 5 points on basic models). That seems way expensive since they lost quite a bit of what they had.

 

Also why in earth would you ever supercharge plasma? It doesn't seem worth it on anything I've seen.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Knight Master Eladric

[Stormxlr]

God if that points thing is right. That's 50 points per DW knight (saw elsewhere the storm shield is 5 points on basic models). That seems way expensive since they lost quite a bit of what they had.

 

Also why in earth would you ever supercharge plasma? It doesn't seem worth it on anything I've seen.

Just play with power rating instead :) thats what i will be doing. I think im gonna give up on points for awhile.

[Conine]

God if that points thing is right. That's 50 points per DW knight (saw elsewhere the storm shield is 5 points on basic models). That seems way expensive since they lost quite a bit of what they had.

 

Also why in earth would you ever supercharge plasma? It doesn't seem worth it on anything I've seen.

DW Knight squad comes out to 250 for 5. If "does not include wargear" means all wargear and not optional wargear. Everyone seems to be interpreting it that way. 

 

Just did the math for a LRC it is 287 base and 314 with multi-melta. Also it is not a DT and only a Heavy Support choice.

 

BTW The characters seem reasonably priced Belial at 150 and Azrael at 180. I might be taking them a lot since a Int-Chaplin in TDA is 130 base and a Libby in TDA is 161 with two powers.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Conine

[Conine]

I saw someone mention that we didn't have our own physic discipline. We do its Interromancy and the powers are Mind Worm, Aversion and Engulfing Fear. All are warp charge 6. MW gives a unit within 12" a mortal wound and they have to fight last, Aversion lowers to hit rolls for a unit in 24" and EF makes any unit within 6" roll 2 dice and discard the lowest when taking morale tests.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Conine

[Conine]

God if that points thing is right. That's 50 points per DW knight (saw elsewhere the storm shield is 5 points on basic models). That seems way expensive since they lost quite a bit of what they had.

 

Also why in earth would you ever supercharge plasma? It doesn't seem worth it on anything I've seen.

If you have a model with a wound (any wounded model has to have wounds allocated to it first) and a plasma gun maybe?

[Knight of the First Legion]

Blade of Caliban is now +3 Strength, -3 AP and D3 Damage.

 

That is a massive improvement on a power sword and means a company champion could go hunting bigger prey.

 

Very fitting for the blades that once slew the great beasts.

 

KOTFL

[TheBoosch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

 

Here is a link to everything that has been floating around.

 

My 1850 RW Army is now almost 2700 points for the same list. My 1850 Ta'u is just over 3000 now. I guess one way to shorten game times is by lowering model count for the same point levels.

[Syphid]

Fortress of redemption is a dark angels unit now? Interesting.

[ChaosPhoenix]

I correct myself. Knights are only W2.. sorry. But the Mace of Absolution is great now.