Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Someone else have incite for the successors? It looks like if you take a successor, you can't take Dante or Corbulo and still be battle-forged because they are keyword <Blood Angels> and not say keyword <Carmine Blades> Edited May 30, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4760967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Spagunk, I think maybe you're overreacting a bit mate. The way I see it, they only, really dropped the ball when it comes to the DC No, I think I have the right amount of reacting. I know this is supposed to be a temp fix but it really stinks to high heaven as not a good balance. We lose one of our main defining characteristics and gain nothing interesting that other people won't already have. It's real lack luster. Quixus and Bartali 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4760971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Someone else have incite for the successors? It looks like if you take a successor, you can't take Dante or Corbulo and srsu battle-forged because they are keyword <Blood Angels> and not say keyword <Carmine Blades> I'm sure it will work like it did previously. Those successors that do not vary greatly from their parent chapter play as if they were the parent chapter. Otherwise all those UM successors would be invalidated. "Sorry you cannot play your Sons of Orar. They are not blue enough." Others (like Crimson Fists and Black Templars) might get their own rules eventually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Well in the excerpt or BE successors it states Dante is key word blood angels as he *can not* be chapter master of -insert- I'll try to find the picture. Edited May 30, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Someone else have incite for the successors? It looks like if you take a successor, you can't take Dante or Corbulo and srsu battle-forged because they are keyword <Blood Angels> and not say keyword <Carmine Blades> I'm sure it will work like it did previously. Those successors that do not vary greatly from their parent chapter play as if they were the parent chapter. Otherwise all those UM successors would be invalidated. "Sorry you cannot play your Sons of Orar. They are not blue enough." Others (like Crimson Fists and Black Templars) might get their own rules eventually. hey guys the answer for this are in the leaks on the other page we are looking at. the same page as the psychic powers and the list of units we can use, to the right in a black bubble. basically says use the rules for blood angels for your successors but replace the key word Blood angels in all instances with the name of your chapter. and then something i cant make out entirely as its cropped off but says Dante is the chapter master of the blood angels and not any successor chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 It says you cannot replace the Blood Angels keyword with the keyword of your successor chapter for models you can only take one off. So basically, you can't make Dante the Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers, he'll still keep the Blood Angels keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Right now this sounds pretty terrible. Let's hope the successors get their own units. Otherwise they just get fewer options forcing us to either beg the opponent to play against our "illegal" armies or add the "proper" chapter symbols. I was excited about 8th but what we hear gets worse and worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 If your successor chapter doesn't have its own rules, just use the Blood Angels or Flesh Tearers keyword. Plus it's not that hard to mix and match chapters in the new edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 If your successor chapter doesn't have its own rules, just use the Blood Angels or Flesh Tearers keyword. Plus it's not that hard to mix and match chapters in the new edition. Exactly. As I said over in the NRA - I highly doubt anyone would stop you using a nice dante you've made because YOUR blood angels are blue/ gold/ purple/ pink/ rainbow. Fidelius Animo and Silverson 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 If your successor chapter doesn't have its own rules, just use the Blood Angels or Flesh Tearers keyword. Plus it's not that hard to mix and match chapters in the new edition. Exactly. As I said over in the NRA - I highly doubt anyone would stop you using a nice dante you've made because YOUR blood angels are blue/ gold/ purple/ pink/ rainbow. I too doubt that anyone would do that, but from the rules they would be in the right to deny those units. It is no different than using Lysander in a Sons of Orar army (assuming that UM successors would get the same rule) The character in question has a different <chapter> keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 If your successor chapter doesn't have its own rules, just use the Blood Angels or Flesh Tearers keyword. Plus it's not that hard to mix and match chapters in the new edition. Exactly. As I said over in the NRA - I highly doubt anyone would stop you using a nice dante you've made because YOUR blood angels are blue/ gold/ purple/ pink/ rainbow. I too doubt that anyone would do that, but from the rules they would be in the right to deny those units. It is no different than using Lysander in a Sons of Orar army (assuming that UM successors would get the same rule) The character in question has a different <chapter> keyword. It is quite different though than your example - but I see your point. Blood angels in themselves are already limited in the list of units they use and literally in the paragraph above it says to juse count all the "blood angels" mentons to "successor chapter X". For the sake of rule it's just a matter of saying "well they're blood angels, not a successor. They repainted thier armour for this mission." Fidelius Animo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Tbh, I'd prefer to see chapter master be an option for successors. Especially now you can probably make a captain with pretty similar rules to Dante. Dont-Be-Haten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paikis Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 We wont need it soon, the Tyranids ate a whole bunch of chapter masters, so we'll just replace them all with the Adeptus Restartes! Indefragable 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Tbh, I'd prefer to see chapter master be an option for successors. Especially now you can probably make a captain with pretty similar rules to Dante. It's funny you should mention it. If the Chapter Master is still an upgrade for a normal captain - we'll now have access to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4761175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus_ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Wait, why can't we fire flamers out of a drop pod? I know they're heavy weapons now, but I thought it was only a -1 modifier to hit for moving; and flamers auto hit. Did I miss something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4762407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Drop pod means you have to be minimum 9" away, flamers have 8" range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4762434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Wait, why can't we fire flamers out of a drop pod? I know they're heavy weapons now, but I thought it was only a -1 modifier to hit for moving; and flamers auto hit. Did I miss something? I was trying to figure this out earlier when someone a few pages back said something similar about Baal preds and triple flamer variant. There is so much information out now I forgot to investigate further. speaking about pods, I believe deathwind missiles should be a better investment now, since the bloody thing is so expensive, I don't think I would hate investing in the better turret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4762496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus_ Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think that was me who mentioned the triple baal flamer; The flamestorm cannon is assault, so you can advance and fire it, but the sponsoons can't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4762684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallenturtle Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I know I'm going to be doing Angels Sanguine scheme/chapter, but for all intensive purpose just use the blood angels rules. It would make sense after Baal that Lemartes, Dante etc, are showing up and helping out their successor chapter rebuild etc (then the game happens and hell breaks loose) In addition it would be easier on my opponent when they read the data sheet to not argue that "well in the rules it just states X and you're Y" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4762703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Dreadnoughts can't go in Drop Pods anymore. GG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Dreadnoughts can't go in Drop Pods anymore. GG. There's so going to be a Primaris / Dreadnought drop pod model coming soon. Annoying that it hampers CC Dreads in the (hopefully) short term :/ Still, Stormraven's can start on the table and are proper gunships now so there's that I guess to transport CC Dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Good thing I've got two Ravens then :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 On the Stormraven subject, it appears anyone with the fly keyword ( ie our jump infantry) can punch FMCs/Flyers in the air now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkni Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Well there's an argument for eviscerators...! Appears our ASM have lost their meltaguns, for now. Company Vets can act as bullet sponges for any character within 3". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Appears our ASM have lost their meltaguns, for now. Can't see why ASM would be worth taking at the moment? Up into the loft goes the box full of my ASM from 5th edition again... Edited June 2, 2017 by WarriorFish Post format corrected to be more readable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/49/#findComment-4763471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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