Kua Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 With how CTs and ours are turning out my decision long ago to avoid vehicles and focus on mobile infantry is appearing to pay off.By mobile you mean Devastators and by infantry you mean long range Dreadnoughts, I then assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Raven Guard will be the hard counter to Tau. Hitting on 5+ and not wanting to close the gap? Lovely. My revenge shall be tasty and my lips stained blue with the flesh of communist jerky. Mr. Poe, LucidNinja, Biscuittzz and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 It's in the text, they describe what they do. No rules text for them though. Ok got it, thanks Extro. What I'm also loving is that it looks like these guys are going to play totally differently than my blood angels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) I just realised how rage inducing Ravenguard flyers are going to be for people. Specially Orks, who often will be literally unable to shoot them. Edited July 17, 2017 by Extropian SyNidus, 9x19 Parabellum, Nusquam and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I just realised how rage inducing Ravenguard flyers are going to be for people. Specially Orks, who often will be literally unable to shoot them. I'm not seeing a problem thee :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 By mobile you mean Devastators and by infantry you mean long range Dreadnoughts, I then assume? Well I will of course have to purchase some of those new Redemptor Dreads to go with my 2 squads of Devs. ;) BTW my understanding is CTs dont work on Vehicles (dreads excluded) so I don't think flyers will get the -1 to hit in addition to already being -1? WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'm guessing the CT will only apply to certain units, like the Ultramarines one (only applies to infantry, dreads and bikes IIRC). I really doubt the flyers will get that bonus, but I could be wrong. Sun Reaver 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 duz is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kua Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 I just realised how rage inducing Ravenguard flyers are going to be for people. Specially Orks, who often will be literally unable to shoot them. I thought the same at first, but I forgot that only infantry, bikes and dreads get CT. Sun Reaver 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) I just realised how rage inducing Ravenguard flyers are going to be for people. Specially Orks, who often will be literally unable to shoot them. Looks like I'm going to need to prime my unpainted-but-earmarked-for-blood-angels stormraven black :-) Redacted after hearing sad news about CT not applying to vehicles. Edited July 17, 2017 by Rocmistro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Somehow that makes sense though. Look at the Raven Guard CT: in a game, the CT should work for vehicles because that would be utterly awesome. But to simulate common sense, should a vehicle be hard to shoot at based on that description? Flyers sure, whatever. But a Rhino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Somehow that makes sense though. Look at the Raven Guard CT: in a game, the CT should work for vehicles because that would be utterly awesome. But to simulate common sense, should a vehicle be hard to shoot at based on that description? Flyers sure, whatever. But a Rhino? Depends on how you conceive of and implement "stealth" in the 41st century. I imagine it's not just a purely visibile-light-spectrum approach to stealth. RG could have invested in and tweaked all sorts of anti-targeting technology, stealth devices, radar/sonar defeating alloys/paint/textures for their vehicles, etc. Race Bannon and ONDIG 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Ah, that's probably for the best. -2 to hit flyers would be some table-flipping levels of troll :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Ill take -2 to hit flyers, -1 to hit my army if theyre 12"+ away, and infiltrate my assault units 9" away pregame then get a move for turn 1 charges for them. Add reivers and the relic for no overwatch? Devastating. Edit: where does it say no vehicles? It def applies to dread they say as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kua Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yes, it would even be Dark Angel level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I Edit: where does it say no vehicles? It def applies to dread they say as much I know i read it somewhere but cant find it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 It was with the Codex First Look article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Well they were talking about it on the Twitch stream last Friday. It may be the way the entries are written in the new Codex. The Index gives everything Chapter Tactics, from the sounds of it, but the Codex has yet to be seen. I'm guessing they just removed it from certain unit data sheets. TURBULENCE 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Wow. There is a lot in that article I am VERY happy to read about. Not too keen that Shrike may be a "must have" though. Follow your leader! Race Bannon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Found it: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/14/ultramarines-and-the-redemptor-dreadnought-first-lookgw-homepage-post-2/ Specifically, third paragraph: In game, the Ultramarines are one of the most tactically rewarding chapters, combining a huge range of Special Characters with the ability to fall back and shoot universally – like all Chapter Tactics, this will apply to your Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Ninja'd by Race Edited July 17, 2017 by war009 Race Bannon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Im really happy to have some solid tactical squads in my collection. 30 tacticals with tripple plasma in cover and -1 hit. That is going to induce some table flipping rage from shooty ork armies,Tau, and guard. How are they going to do any dmg hitting on 5/6s? :X Also, how does -1 hit work on BS6 shooting exactly? Does it mean that you cant hit or that it just doesnt do anything since 6s always hit? I really like the idea of lascannon centurions in cover with a 1+ save and -1 to hit. Does anyone here think that assault centurions using the new stratagem will be our new overlords? Is this a full profile on Reivers yet and not just that bs from the start sets? Found it: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/14/ultramarines-and-the-redemptor-dreadnought-first-lookgw-homepage-post-2/ Specifically, third paragraph: In game, the Ultramarines are one of the most tactically rewarding chapters, combining a huge range of Special Characters with the ability to fall back and shoot universally – like all Chapter Tactics, this will apply to your Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts. Oh :cuss! Wouldnt this make an assaulty biker army much stronger for Raven Guard because of the -1 hit? Edited July 17, 2017 by Race Bannon Please don't dodge swear filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshTheStampede Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'm sure successor chapters will get to use their parent's Chapter Tactics. So you can still play Raptors with RG tactics and use Lias - you just can't use Lias AND Shrike together and get both bonuses, which you already couldn't. The question I have is whether upgrading a Captain to a Chapter Master (as described in a previou artticle) lets you pick Chapter Tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrexPushups Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 So what you're saying is that this new CT will encourage players to make quite a balanced force to benefit from our re-rolls to charge and also the negative modifier to hit us. So in other words RG players will have an army that is very flexible with the ability to strike and fade and strike again? Like.....like....the background? Dare I say the CT are fluffy @TrexPushups. *Fist Pumps* It will be great to see that in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 This new chapter tactic actually had me thinking about other marines. If Raven Guard get something as good as -1 hit at 12"+... what are the others getting? I could see Imperial Fists getting +1 hit with bolters. I could see Salamanders getting something like +1 to wound rolls with all flamers/meltas. I could see White Scars getting charge on the turn you advanced with all bikers. So how many of you are going to go into wallet-empty mode on reivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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