Aegir_Einarsson Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Personally i thought about biker chapter master with th And ss re-rolling all hitsand fast enough to spread 9"bubble aura with relic where is needed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Wow so named characters are stuck with a single option for the warlord trait and even restricting the ones from the BRB. Well I guess I'm stuck with Oath Keeper. So the EC is listed as 75 points .... not sure if his rules have changed. The High Marshal and Grim seem to be the same. Where have you seen points? Got a link? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I love that the relics are free, That Iron Resolve trait is quite good. Ours is decent as well and of course the UM one is borderline busted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Wow so named characters are stuck with a single option for the warlord trait and even restricting the ones from the BRB. Well I guess I'm stuck with Oath Keeper. So the EC is listed as 75 points .... not sure if his rules have changed. The High Marshal and Grim seem to be the same. Where have you seen points? Got a link? I'm going through the video the guy posted it is around 39 ish to 40 min in running very close in the setting to try and get a clear shot. Also crusader squads did not change in points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegir_Einarsson Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 If i think correct early in the index EC was about 100+ points. If it stayed the same stats And nęcona cheaper it's a good information. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Wow so named characters are stuck with a single option for the warlord trait and even restricting the ones from the BRB. Well I guess I'm stuck with Oath Keeper. So the EC is listed as 75 points .... not sure if his rules have changed. The High Marshal and Grim seem to be the same. Where have you seen points? Got a link? I'm going through the video the guy posted it is around 39 ish to 40 min in running very close in the setting to try and get a clear shot. Also crusader squads did not change in points. Yea you're right, seems likely he's been nerfed then as no way could he be 75 pts with the current stats - and I've just paid out for the finecast model Let's hope not! Or if it is a nerf it's just to wounds rather than nerfing his abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Rejoice they gave us the EC unchanged minus the point cost. So he is going to be an auto in almost every BT players army as he should be. Someone is welcome to double check my intel at time stamp 40:47 Marshal_Roujakis, Gendo, Deadman Wade and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Rock Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The EC has been a beast in all my 8th games. Really hoping he isn't getting a significant nerf. Though it's hard to imagine him losing 30 points and not having a pretty noticable stat change. balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The EC has been a beast in all my 8th games. Really hoping he isn't getting a significant nerf. Though it's hard to imagine him losing 30 points and not having a pretty noticable stat change. Take a look my friend and I again he has been great. Maybe this is to offset the CT and stratagem not being a force multiplier. I provided a link and a time stamp someone needs to confirm what I'm saying or point out that I need my eyes checked. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Nope, everything I see looks the same. Unless his invul is a 5+ now(can't see it) there is no difference in any of the visible wording Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The EC has been a beast in all my 8th games. Really hoping he isn't getting a significant nerf. Though it's hard to imagine him losing 30 points and not having a pretty noticable stat change. Nope, exactly the same. He's a unique model so we only get the one and he is still fairly costly for a model who's only job is killing characters. He was practically an auto include already but now he definitely will be. I think the big thing is he won't be able to take relics at all while other champions can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The EC has been a beast in all my 8th games. Really hoping he isn't getting a significant nerf. Though it's hard to imagine him losing 30 points and not having a pretty noticable stat change. Nope, exactly the same. He's a unique model so we only get the one and he is still fairly costly for a model who's only job is killing characters. He was practically an auto include already but now he definitely will be. I think the big thing is he won't be able to take relics at all while other champions can. And who cares? The Black Sword is better than basically any other generic relic :lol: Kisada, bolvar and Firepower 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 That is weird, he used to be cheap because he had to get Vows but now hes just cheap AND killy? Odd, could be a typo or we are not getting the whole picture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) Maybe the black sword and armour of faith need to be purchased from the armoury :lol: I jest, but I don't honestly know why he woukd be cheaper, unless they realised that we pretty much need to run multiple characters now to stack up the important buffs. Edited July 22, 2017 by Marshal Mattias Gendo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendo Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Are you assuming the EC point cost from the video? I can't make it out but the stats seem to be the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendo Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Maybe the black sword and armour of faith need to be purchased from the armoury I jest, but I don't honestly know why he woukd be cheaper, unless they realised that we pretty much need to run multiple characters now to stack up the important buffs. Probably that as I now have to run 4 HQs, he has 1 job and doesn't buff anyone else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I actually can understand that 75 point cost regarding the EC. He's a character/monster killer, but that's it. A character withouth jump pack, bike, no deep strike/special deploy, shoots like an initiate, and has no auras. Maybe is a bit cheaper that he should be, but you get my point. balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisada Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Definitely not mad at the cheaper EC. I can see it being a challenge to get him where he can be effective sometimes ... so I agree with bolvar Gendo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Wow I won't complain but for the damage he does 75 points is a complete steal. Then again I suppose a vindicare does a similar job from range and is only 15 more... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 balordazul, Deadman Wade, T-Rock and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 On a side note, I played a game this afternoon, the lieutenant did an amazing job tearing me a new one. It was a primaris lieutenant, but I can only assume a regular one will be even cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What does Oath Keeper do exactly? And our Warlord has to take it? No choice at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What does Oath Keeper do exactly? And our Warlord has to take it? No choice at all? You can Heroic Intervention up to 6" instead of 3 and you only have to take it is your warlord is one of the named characters. Generic guys can still take whatever Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What does Oath Keeper do exactly? And our Warlord has to take it? No choice at all? You can Heroic Intervention up to 6" instead of 3 and you only have to take it is your warlord is one of the named characters. Generic guys can still take whatever Well I guess that's handy for Helbrecht who wants to cut things up in melee w/ the Reforged Sword of Dorn... but I guess there would be other Traits that would suit him better... I haven't looked at the leaks and reviews, as I'd rather have them on hand instead.... wait a week :p Ciler 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The storm of fire trait, 1d4 lists it as effecting any attack. Is that true or does it only effect shooting attacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336954-chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-t/page/9/#findComment-4828791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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