New Codex Incoming!

[olcottr]

Catachans get 5+ saves from their Abs of Steel.  I thought everybody knew that.

[Withershadow]

They are mini-ogruns,

 

 

The big question is do Catachans end up with 6+ Tshrit saves!

But do they get T4 S4 in response? It might not be as powerful, but fluff basically says that Catachans are mini space marines...

 

Mini ogruns, not Space Marines.  They like their women big to make big babies.

 

[Plasmablasts]

With Codex: Ad Mech out imminently, there will presumably be an updated data-slate for the Enginseer. Are Guard armies obliged to use that or can they still use the version in the Index?

[Shamansky]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

Codexes: Your Questions Answered

Is my index invalid now?
Not at all. Even with the pace we’re planning on releases these new codexes, it’s going to take well over a year to get to all of them. No single codex will cover all the contents of an index book, so you’ll get plenty of use out of all your indexes, don’t worry.

[Tyr13]

With Codex: Ad Mech out imminently, there will presumably be an updated data-slate for the Enginseer. Are Guard armies obliged to use that or can they still use the version in the Index?

 

Seems likely, yeah. Since its an updated unit entry, the newest version supercedes the index rules. Which is kind of BS, but eh... :/

 

(Shamanskys quote is only really explaining that armies that dont have a codex will still be using the index until they get one... theres also another part in the FAQ that describes that you can use the index for units that dont have a codex entry, but apart from that... nope)

[gunnyogrady]

I don't want to commit thread-heresy by derailing the conversation, but has anybody gotten a look at the new Enginseer rules yet as it pertains to Guard?

[BassWave]

Ill let you guys know when I get my codex tomorrow, but as far as I know, the only change is that its an Hq choice now.

[The Catachan Devil]

What I think will be added:

• Strategems and regiment specific rules (cadian, catachan etc)
• Minor point changes to balance things - not sure what though. 

Things I'd like to see added:

• LRs been made more useful - to give an option other than conscript spam, which is a bit boring. 
• Devil dogs been made a bit better, low shots coupled with low BS is currently rubbish. 
• Sly marbo brought back! Would love to run him. 
• Baneblade not suffering a -1 to BS for moving. Completely daft, and I hope was an oversight by GW. 
• For artillery to be competitive with the forgeworld artillery, Earthshaker batteries are ridiculously cheap (in points) in comparison to codex/index artillery units.

 

Things I don't want to see:

• Conscripts getting nerfed. They aren't that ridiculous, they have a good price point and have poor WS/BS/Sv anyway - why touch them?
• Platoons being brought back. Just, no. 
• Orders being taken away (unless there is a v good substitute)
• Harker losing his rerolling 1s rule. 

[Mitchverr]

^ heavy weapon platoons would be nice to return though :)

[CaptainMarsh]

My hope is that regiment rules aren't calling out specific regiments (Cadian, Cat, etc) but rather styles of regiments (Armored, Airborne, etc). This is unlikely, but I'd like it.

[BassWave]

Enginseer in new Admech codex is the same except that it's in the HQ slot and can heal 1 wound on a knight per turn. So guard players can keep using the index entry if they want, nothing radical has changed. Edited September 24, 2017 by BassWave

[Tyr13]

What about his keywords though? Does he still have "Astra Militarum"? Kind of important for transporting purposes... :/

[BassWave]

Interestingly enough, they do not have the Astra militarum keyword...

[Tyr13]

Damn. So much for transporting them in my trojan. >_<

[Beams]

You can still use the index one for the Astra Militarum army, though, I believe.

[NatBrannigan]

That you can, and there may well be one in the Guard Codex. I'd think of the Index like the old Imperial Agents codex for now and use it to fill gaps until are the codices are released.

[Jolemai]

No Attilan rules :(

[duz_]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/24/daemon-engines-a-battlefield-in-a-box-and-a-new-codex/

 

Yay Mordians!

[gunnyogrady]

Yay all of them! Hopefully they don't hit conscripts with the Nerf Bat TOO hard. We shall see!

[narcolepticltd]

I want options for platooooooonz! and better points for mechanized units :) 

[Schlitzaf]

How do all you think Auxillia will be handled same way Fallen and Fabius were?

[Withershadow]

I would hope so, I really don't want to bring separate detachments for Bullgryns.  I can perhaps see them expanding Tempestus forces where they have to act as separate detachments, but they have an HQ and a troop choice, so Patrol or Battalion detachments are super easy.

[Schlitzaf]

It just be an auxillary detachment to be fair. And it somewhat fit the flavor of them having to be specially requestioned, (-1 Command Point) and taking auxilia units in an auxillary detachment just feels apporiate to me

[Withershadow]

That would be awful.

[BassWave]

I highly doubt they'll make you take auxillary detachments. None of those units are worth losing a command point over. Besides, worse case scenario, you just take an elite detachment lead by a lord commissar.