Hawklynn Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Retooled the list with two variations. Variation 1: 5 man shooty squad (Razorback mounted) - Dropped heavy bolter and added multi-melta. 5 man shooty squad + Neophytes - Dropped neophytes Predator Destructor - Dropped Terminator Squad - Added Total Points - 1510 ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [90 PL, 1510pts] +++ No Force Org Slot +**Chapter Selection**: Black Templars+ Dedicated Transport +Razorback [5 PL, 89pts]: Storm bolter, Twin heavy bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter+ Troops +Crusader Squad [9 PL, 129pts]. 5x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Plasma pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [9 PL, 122pts]. 5x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Bolt pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [5 PL, 107pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta. Sword Brother: Chainsword, Combi-plasmaCrusader Squad [9 PL, 116pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun. Sword Brother: Boltgun, Chainsword+ Fast Attack +Assault Squad [6 PL, 103pts]: Jump Pack. 2x Space Marine. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Power axe. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol+ HQ +Captain [5 PL, 114pts]: Combi-melta, Relic bladeChaplain [5 PL, 72pts]: Bolt pistolThe Emperor's Champion [4 PL, 75pts]+ Elites +Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]Company Champion [3 PL, 54pts]: Combat shield, Master-crafted power swordDreadnought [7 PL, 134pts]: Assault cannon. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolterTerminator Squad [12 PL, 192pts]: Teleport Homer. Terminator Sergeant: Power sword, Storm bolter. 4x Terminator w/PF: 4x Power fist, 4x Storm bolter++ Total: [90 PL, 1510pts] ++Created with BattleScribe Variation 2: 5 man shooty squad + Neophytes - Neophytes dropped Dreadnought - Dropped Predator Destructor - Dropped Venerable Dreadnought w/ TLLC - added Predator Annihilator - Added I will be getting the two added units from my friend this weekend. Total Points - 1545 (I am thinking of dropping either the Apothecary or Company Champion which will get me just under 1500 pts (-Apoth = 1490 / -CC = 1491) ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [88 PL, 1545pts] +++ No Force Org Slot +**Chapter Selection**: Black Templars+ Heavy Support +Predator [9 PL, 196pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Twin lascannon, Two Lascannons+ Dedicated Transport +Razorback [5 PL, 89pts]: Storm bolter, Twin heavy bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter+ Troops +Crusader Squad [9 PL, 129pts]. 5x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Plasma pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [9 PL, 122pts]. 5x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Bolt pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [5 PL, 90pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter. Sword Brother: Chainsword, Combi-plasmaCrusader Squad [9 PL, 116pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun. Sword Brother: Boltgun, Chainsword+ Fast Attack +Assault Squad [6 PL, 103pts]: Jump Pack. 2x Space Marine. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Power axe. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol+ HQ +Captain [5 PL, 114pts]: Combi-melta, Relic bladeChaplain [5 PL, 72pts]: Bolt pistolThe Emperor's Champion [4 PL, 75pts]+ Elites +Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]Company Champion [3 PL, 54pts]: Combat shield, Master-crafted power swordVenerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 182pts]: Twin lascannon. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolter++ Total: [88 PL, 1545pts] ++Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 In two 8 Man Squads. Do 5-3 Neophytes, you’d rather have those 12 extra Points. Drop the 6 Man Razor Squad to 5 Man Save your 13 Points for 25 Points. Replace Relic Blade with Teeth of Terra getting another 21 for 46 Points. Add a Vangaurd Detachment. This bring you below 1500 in the second variation or give you 36 Points to spend in the latter. I’d recommend taking Cenos, just hang them in backfield or run or something (drop combat shield in the second last to do so). And in the first list replace Plasma with CombiFlamer and take CombiFlamer on other melee SBros. Leaving 15 Points to spend. If you could somehow scavenge another 13, I’d go full Plasma on the 5 Man Squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 In two 8 Man Squads. Do 5-3 Neophytes, you’d rather have those 12 extra Points. Drop the 6 Man Razor Squad to 5 Man Save your 13 Points for 25 Points. Replace Relic Blade with Teeth of Terra getting another 21 for 46 Points. Add a Vangaurd Detachment. This bring you below 1500 in the second variation or give you 36 Points to spend in the latter. I’d recommend taking Cenos, just hang them in backfield or run or something (drop combat shield in the second last to do so). And in the first list replace Plasma with CombiFlamer and take CombiFlamer on other melee SBros. Leaving 15 Points to spend. If you could somehow scavenge another 13, I’d go full Plasma on the 5 Man Squads The 8 man squads are being joined by characters in the transports. Razor squad is at 5 and will be accompanied by a character (for now). I will take the ToT change under consideration (and probably use it, although my model bits are sadly not interchangeable). I have no Vanguard models or cenos. The two combi-weapons that I do have are already in the list (combi-melta on Marshal, combi-plasma on SB). I am working to increase my heavy weapons loadouts but have reached a point where I have around twelve troops that need a variety of bits (backpacks, backs, legs, non-bolter weapon arms) before I can begin working on them. My ebay wish list is about a mile long and I have been looking at some of the third party bits makers and also have a list for those that is about the same length. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hawk you realize you can do 5 Initaites and 3 Neophytes right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Can a head hurt a desk? I think mine just did. Either that or . . . why do I see stars? Also, I completely misread that initial suggestion about the 5+3 set up. I have one completed neophyte with a shotgun (all other scout type models are snipers). I have some IG which my buddy is cool with me using as proxy neos. I just have that condition (and still being a newb/noob/whatever) I fail to see the total possibilities available to me. So, be back in a sec, gotta make some changes and readjust my eyes to see this stuff properly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Let's try this again. ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [86 PL, 1512pts] +++ No Force Org Slot +**Chapter Selection**: Black Templars+ Heavy Support +Predator [9 PL, 196pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Twin lascannon, Two Lascannons+ Dedicated Transport +Razorback [5 PL, 89pts]: Storm bolter, Twin heavy bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolterRhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter+ Troops +Crusader Squad [8 PL, 123pts]: Neophyte w/Combat Knife, 2x Neophyte w/Shotgun. 2x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Plasma pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [8 PL, 116pts]: 3x Neophyte w/Shotgun. 2x Initiate w/Chainsword. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Power sword. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Flamer. Sword Brother: Bolt pistol, Power axeCrusader Squad [5 PL, 90pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter. Sword Brother: Chainsword, Combi-plasmaCrusader Squad [9 PL, 116pts]. 3x Initiate. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun. Sword Brother: Boltgun, Chainsword+ Fast Attack +Assault Squad [6 PL, 103pts]: Jump Pack. 2x Space Marine. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Power axe. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol. Space Marine w/Special Weapon. . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol+ HQ +Captain [5 PL, 93pts]: Chainsword, Combi-melta, Teeth of TerraChaplain [5 PL, 72pts]: Bolt pistolThe Emperor's Champion [4 PL, 75pts]+ Elites +Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]Company Champion [3 PL, 54pts]: Combat shield, Master-crafted power swordVenerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 182pts]: Twin lascannon. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolter++ Total: [86 PL, 1512pts] ++Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Turn 6 Man Squad in Razor to 5 Man. You have 1 Point to spent on something random. Also make a Vangaurd Detachment (Not the Unit) for Elites and Champion to get +1 CP and I presume Chaplain has Helm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4993422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 First off, many thanks to Schlitzaf basically having to baby step me through building my force for this game. Had my second game this weekend. It did not go well, however, I managed to learn a lot. I cannot really blame this game's bad luck on dice. It was all me. I had a field day with bad terrain placement and unit set up. Really bad. Also, I am calling this a "pseudo-batrep" because I did not write any of the info on the battle down, so I am going from memory. His list:Chapter MasterDeathwing Termies w/ TH and SSRavenwing Bike squadTwo five man veteran squadsTwo TLLC razorbacksLand Raider CrusaderLandspeeder Typhoon(NO PRIMARIS!!!)My list:MarshalChaplainECCC Squad 1CC Squad 2Shooty Squad 1Shooty Squad 2ApothecaryCompany ChampionAssault SquadVen-Dread w/ TLLCPred AnnihilatorRazorback w/ TLLCRhinoRhino As stated, I had horrible set up and did not use the terrain to my advantage. I was not keeping track of my objectives (first time using those). I completely forgot about my unmounted shooty squad in a building during T2 shooting phase. Forgot to use bolt pistols in my CC squads pretty much the whole time. Predator Annihilator died gruesomely during the second turn and it just kept getting worse. Essentually, my bad terrain and army placement combined with not changing my battle plan until it was too late doomed me from the start. The game was still fun, I learned a lot, and got to hang with a good friend. I severely need more anti-armor in my army and to better utilize terrain to my advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4997603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I'm glad you enjoyed yourself despite the outcome of the battle. I'd kind of love to see some Terminators in a quasi-anti-armour role: deep striking, shooting infantry with bolter fire and then charging in with their power and chainfists, but I realise that they're far from 'good'. Still, thematically they'd probably fit the list nicely. And they should still be a nice distraction unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4997623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 The best part of the evening was that this is the same friend selling me his BT army and he brought it all with him to hand over. He was even cool with me still starting my payment plan with him next month. He just needed the space as his wife said he could not purchase anything more until he got what he did not want out of their house. With what I got from him, it basically doubled my BT crusade, but the majority of initiates are all shooty which still leaves me with quite the deficiency in close combat squads. Although, I found some old models this weekend that need to be stripped and will then be ready for a choppy load out. Other than that, my friend may have a bunch of bits (backs, legs, and backpacks) that he is willing to part with. Things are looking up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4997840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Honestly depending on your confidence and bits lying around you could cut some of older shooty ones to make melee bros Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4997843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 As stated, I had horrible set up and did not use the terrain to my advantage. I was not keeping track of my objectives (first time using those). I completely forgot about my unmounted shooty squad in a building during T2 shooting phase. Forgot to use bolt pistols in my CC squads pretty much the whole time. Predator Annihilator died gruesomely during the second turn and it just kept getting worse. Essentually, my bad terrain and army placement combined with not changing my battle plan until it was too late doomed me from the start. Which is why we all play more than one game in our lifetime. It takes a while to get familiar enough with your army, that you don't have to remember everything, you just know what to do. Every game is an opportunity to learn something. The game was still fun, I learned a lot, and got to hang with a good friend. Most important point of all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4997898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Honestly depending on your confidence and bits lying around you could cut some of older shooty ones to make melee bros Until this weekend I had intended to keep those as shooty marines. Now, however, I do believe that I will be swapping out arms and making a decent sized company veteran squad. A few of the models will be held in reserve for special weapons. Looks like it is time to separate bits again. I love this part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-4998400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 So I have been dealing with a personal dilemma when it comes to my crusade. I am just not a fan of the crusade badge that I created. The more I look at it the less and less I want to put it on my marines. I have created a new one that I feel will better represent my crusade. I actually want to put this badge on my marines and, family permitting, I will start on that this weekend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5012348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 When considering your crusade badge, a couple of things should be taken into account: 1. Does it scale, i.e if you shrink it enough to fit on an infantry figure will it still be recognizable? 2. Do you think you could paint it 100 times...on infantry figures? This plays into the "does it scale?" question, but also is it reproducible? 3. After looking at it for a month. do you still like it? Short story: Rewind six years. I was new to the BT. In fact, I didn't have an army yet and was looking at ETL 1 trying to decide whether or not to participate. Around that time the idea came out for a "community" crusade that everyone could participate in. It was a cool idea and it seemed like people were interested. When it came time to design a crusade badge, we weren't really sure where to start. So we threw some mud on the wall and eventually settled on a design. I was the first person to jump onboard and put our new community crusade badge on something. As it turned out, I was the only person to put "our" badge on something. For various reasons, other people went off and did other things. No big deal. I liked the name and the historical context of the crusade. I couldn't stand the crusade badge. It's not bad (white field with a red hourglass) and it fits Items #1 & #2 very well, but after a month... Now, I paint other brother's crusade badges on my guys to honor their efforts, but also so I don't have to paint mine as much. I suppose I could come up with a new one, but I never really found something that didn't look like other crusades. So now I mostly use the "Crusade of Wrath" badge (a BT forum event) that brother Acebeur came up with (white field, red cross, flames at bottom). It's pretty cool looking. All that to say, if you want to change your badge, do it now while you're still settling things. Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5012497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 You could print it onto transfer paper? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5012582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 I will be waiting at least a month before I begin painting the new badge on anything. I have it set as my desktop background at work so I will be seeing it a lot. Transfers are not something that I am comfortable trying out just yet. I am having a nightmare of a time getting a crusade banner to print in the proper scale instead of standard photo printing sizes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5014233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Got at least one game this weekend at the FLGS for 1500 points. My oldest kiddo decided she wants to go along and try out an IG force which my buddy will be bringing for her to use. This weekend should be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5014450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Of course. Income tax return comes in. Permission from Cannoness given to purchase High Marshal Helbrecht model. All stores in my area are out of stock. Just. My. Luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5017906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Ouch. It be could be worse friend, atleast you’ll get it eventually. Sense you have permission to buy one now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Ouch. It be could be worse friend, atleast you’ll get it eventually. Sense you have permission to buy one now Eventually cannot come soon enough. I ordered on through my FLGS this Saturday; it should be here by next Monday along with a 60mm base I need for the dreadnought I will be building for the Blood and Zeal Elite Week. Gaming this weekend did not exactly go as expected. My ten year old daughter decided she wanted to get out of the house with me and head out to the FLGS. My buddy was cool enough to bring his IG army along for her to get a chance to play and see if she likes the game. It ended up being 500 points, her with IG verses me with BT. IG: 2X 10 man infantry squads with flamers 2X Chimeras 1 Big, mean Leman Russ character tank (or something like that, it was Cadians) BT: 1 shooty squad with lascannon 1 choppy squad 1 rhino 1 razorback Long story short: My buddy helped my daughter. I went first and after my third turn I had to concede. If I had not, my daughter would have tabled me. Lascannon failed to hit on every shot. My daughter is now hooked and I am trying to work in room in my gaming budget to by her some female guard conversion kits along with legs and arms for her first 10 woman squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 My daughter is now hooked and I am trying to work in room in my gaming budget to by her some female guard conversion kits along with legs and arms for her first 10 woman squad. Congratulations on gaining a gaming disciple. Did your daughter choose to play Astra Militarum for the advantages its tanks and artillery would bring? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 My daughter is now hooked and I am trying to work in room in my gaming budget to by her some female guard conversion kits along with legs and arms for her first 10 woman squad. Congratulations on gaining a gaming disciple. Did your daughter choose to play Astra Militarum for the advantages its tanks and artillery would bring? More the fact that with conversion kits she can have females in her army. She really likes that idea. However, she did love the tanks. The future is going to be . . . interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 She could freehand some alluring pin-ups on the tanks? (Male or female, it's her choice.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 She could freehand some alluring pin-ups on the tanks? (Male or female, it's her choice.) Someday. She has to finish the model car she is working on now before I buy her more models. Her painting skills have a long way to go, but I know she can do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339208-eisen-speer-crusade-castellan-and-a-tie/page/4/#findComment-5019980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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